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Ruru

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Memory 32GB DDR4-3466 / 16GB DDR4-3000
Video Card(s) RTX 3080 10GB / RX 6700 XT
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VR HMD Oculus Rift CV1
Software Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores They run Crysis
Benched practically all of my PCIe GPUs (excluding RTX 3080 & RX 6700 XT which are in use) in my collection. For some cards, Win10 wasn't the best OS as you can see from the scores.

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Motherboard X99 SOC Champion (BIOS F23c + bifurcation mod)
Cooling Thermalright Venomous-X + 2x Delta 38mm PWM (Push-Pull)
Memory Patriot Viper Steel 4000MHz CL16 4x8GB (@3240MHz CL12.12.12.24 CR2T @ 1,48V)
Video Card(s) Titan V (~1650MHz @ 0.77V, HBM2 1GHz, Forced P2 state [OFF])
Storage WD SN850X 2TB + Samsung EVO 2TB (SATA) + Seagate Exos X20 20TB (4Kn mode)
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Case Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL
Audio Device(s) Motu M4 (audio interface) + ATH-A900Z + Behringer C-1
Power Supply Seasonic X-760 (760W)
Mouse Logitech RX-250
Keyboard HP KB-9970
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
Benched practically all of my PCIe GPUs (excluding RTX 3080 & RX 6700 XT which are in use) in my collection. For some cards, Win10 wasn't the best OS as you can see from the scores.

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About GCN not having 3DMark 01 scores :
You probably have to decrease max. number of CPUs for 3DMark01SE bench thread to 1 (doesn't matter which one) for program to start. But I'm just assuming it was the issue though.

PS. You have to change it before program loads to certain point (when RAM usage keeps increasing, you are good - however when it stops and you still didn't change it, you failed).
 
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Ruru

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Motherboard Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero / Asus Z170-A
Cooling Arctic Freezer 50 / Thermaltake Contac 21
Memory 32GB DDR4-3466 / 16GB DDR4-3000
Video Card(s) RTX 3080 10GB / RX 6700 XT
Storage 3.3TB of SSDs / several small SSDs
Display(s) 27" 4K120 IPS + 32" 4K60 IPS + 24" 1080p60
Case Corsair 4000D AF White / DeepCool CC560 WH
Audio Device(s) Creative Omni BT speaker
Power Supply EVGA G2 750W / Fractal ION Gold 550W
Mouse Logitech MX518 / Logitech G400s
Keyboard Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO / NOS C450 Mini Pro
VR HMD Oculus Rift CV1
Software Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores They run Crysis
About GCN not having 3DMark 01 scores :
You probably have to decrease max. number of CPUs for 3DMark01SE bench thread to 1 (doesn't matter which one) for program to start. But I'm just assuming it was the issue though.
Good to know in the future, I also thought that it must be GCN issue because on both cards, 2001SE didn't even launch (the process was just hanging on task manager doing nothing)

Put together a X58 mATX box :) just need to put more RAM, this 3x2GB kit is just for testing.

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Good to know in the future, I also thought that it must be GCN issue because on both cards, 2001SE didn't even launch (the process was just hanging on task manager doing nothing)

Put together a X58 mATX box :) just need to put more RAM, this 3x2GB kit is just for testing.

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I thought you got a 6core for that system, or am I thinking of someone else?
 

Ruru

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Cooling Arctic Freezer 50 / Thermaltake Contac 21
Memory 32GB DDR4-3466 / 16GB DDR4-3000
Video Card(s) RTX 3080 10GB / RX 6700 XT
Storage 3.3TB of SSDs / several small SSDs
Display(s) 27" 4K120 IPS + 32" 4K60 IPS + 24" 1080p60
Case Corsair 4000D AF White / DeepCool CC560 WH
Audio Device(s) Creative Omni BT speaker
Power Supply EVGA G2 750W / Fractal ION Gold 550W
Mouse Logitech MX518 / Logitech G400s
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VR HMD Oculus Rift CV1
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Benchmark Scores They run Crysis
I thought you got a 6core for that system, or am I thinking of someone else?
I have that Xeon X5675 on an another X58 board. Just wanted to put the fastest non-X quad i7 to this setup. :)
 
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Storage Sabrent Rocket Q 1tb NVME 3.0
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Case I don't want to talk about it
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Software Microsoft Windows 10 Professional x64
My R9 Nano was looking a little lonely so I decided to buy it a friend.

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Got this R9 Fury X from an eBay auction. The rubber coating degraded and was all sticky. All of the Styrofoam in the box it was thrown into stuck to it, and got in the radiator and under the shroud.
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Took some work and alcohol but I got all of the degraded rubber coating completely removed, removed the shroud and got the Styrofoam out, and cleaned up the radiator.

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Card appears to work well. Ran fire strike just fine. May try and CF this and the R9 Nano.
 

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Software case populated with Artic P12's
Benchmark Scores 4k120 OLED Gsync bliss
GPU test bench coming together, next to find the appropriate PSU cables, dig up a 120/240gb SSD, some DDR2 667 and get XP installed on it.

Then perhaps the most challenging part, finding a place for it to live in the house all set up so I can spend my nerdy nights in enjoying a drink and testing / benching old GPU's. I could probably stand to get rid of a few that are duplicates or don't work, that or at elats store them separately for any useful parts, like coolers.

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Cooling Thermalright Venomous-X + 2x Delta 38mm PWM (Push-Pull)
Memory Patriot Viper Steel 4000MHz CL16 4x8GB (@3240MHz CL12.12.12.24 CR2T @ 1,48V)
Video Card(s) Titan V (~1650MHz @ 0.77V, HBM2 1GHz, Forced P2 state [OFF])
Storage WD SN850X 2TB + Samsung EVO 2TB (SATA) + Seagate Exos X20 20TB (4Kn mode)
Display(s) LG 27GP950-B
Case Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL
Audio Device(s) Motu M4 (audio interface) + ATH-A900Z + Behringer C-1
Power Supply Seasonic X-760 (760W)
Mouse Logitech RX-250
Keyboard HP KB-9970
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4CoreDual-VSTA ?
 

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Storage WD Black SN850X 2TB
Display(s) LG 42C2 4K OLED
Case Coolermaster NR200P
Audio Device(s) LG SN5Y / Focal Clear
Power Supply Corsair SF750 Platinum
Mouse Corsair Dark Core RBG Pro SE
Keyboard Glorious GMMK Compact w/pudding
VR HMD Meta Quest 3
Software case populated with Artic P12's
Benchmark Scores 4k120 OLED Gsync bliss
4CoreDual-VSTA ?
That's the one, should let me test basically everything I own (at least to show it works) except very early AGP cards that are keyed differently.
 
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Processor Intel Xeon E5-2690 @ 2.9Ghz (8C/16T)
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Cooling Dell Standard
Memory 24GB ECC
Video Card(s) Gigabyte Nvidia RTX2060 6GB
Storage 2TB Samsung 860 EVO SSD//2TB WD Black HDD
Display(s) Samsung SyncMaster P2350 23in @ 1920x1080 + Dell E2013H 20 in @1600x900
Case Dell Precision T3600 Chassis
Audio Device(s) Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80 // Fiio E7 Amp/DAC
Power Supply 630w Dell T3600 PSU
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I was going thru my junk room/guest room and I found a DELLLL DIMENSIONNN 4100 system that has a pentium 3!!! I trited with my nvidia geforce 440mx card and it went to the sillicon heaven so I got a geforce fx5200 for only 15 dollars

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installed it and off we go!



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there's the specs in bios!

here's it booting
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had to reinstall the windows version that was allready on there last night cuz this used to be my sister's and I think she may have gotten a virus or something a buncha dll files werte missing and no repair operations worked not even live linux distros! most of those couldn't even view system32 so that was a buncha war last night and I was up till 5:30 am, gave up got some shut eye and woke up and installed a slick vista look alike build of xp that I am so glad I still had the iso for!

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and it finally installed and here's the desktop and some specs

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I was going thru my junk room/guest room and I found a DELLLL DIMENSIONNN 4100 system that has a pentium 3!!! I trited with my nvidia geforce 440mx card and it went to the sillicon heaven so I got a geforce fx5200 for only 15 dollars
Nice find! Played any games on it yet?
 
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Cooling Dell Standard
Memory 24GB ECC
Video Card(s) Gigabyte Nvidia RTX2060 6GB
Storage 2TB Samsung 860 EVO SSD//2TB WD Black HDD
Display(s) Samsung SyncMaster P2350 23in @ 1920x1080 + Dell E2013H 20 in @1600x900
Case Dell Precision T3600 Chassis
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Power Supply 630w Dell T3600 PSU
Mouse Logitech G700s/G502
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Nice find! Played any games on it yet?
not yet but Imma prolly play simcity 2k on it tomorrow and I found half life and expansions and age of empires so far my hubby has a lot of old games i'll be going thu and playing..
 
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I was going thru my junk room/guest room and I found a DELLLL DIMENSIONNN 4100 system that has a pentium 3!!! I trited with my nvidia geforce 440mx card and it went to the sillicon heaven so I got a geforce fx5200 for only 15 dollars

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installed it and off we go!



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there's the specs in bios!

here's it booting
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had to reinstall the windows version that was allready on there last night cuz this used to be my sister's and I think she may have gotten a virus or something a buncha dll files werte missing and no repair operations worked not even live linux distros! most of those couldn't even view system32 so that was a buncha war last night and I was up till 5:30 am, gave up got some shut eye and woke up and installed a slick vista look alike build of xp that I am so glad I still had the iso for!

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and it finally installed and here's the desktop and some specs

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Looks like the only thing to worry about, are bad caps on the motherboard or in the PSU. Usually bad secondaries.
 
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Power Supply 630w Dell T3600 PSU
Mouse Logitech G700s/G502
Keyboard Logitech K740
Software Linux Mint 20
Benchmark Scores Network: APs: Cisco Meraki MR32, Ubiquiti Unifi AP-AC-LR and Lite Router/Sw:Meraki MX64 MS220-8P
Looks like the only thing to worry about, are bad caps on the motherboard or in the PSU. Usually bad secondaries.
It's working good so far
 
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I used this as a standard part of every XP install I did BITD.
As mentioned in the video, anyone wanting to try this out on their XP machines can follow the link below;
Shout-Out to MajorGeeks for being one of the THEE best program and file repositories on Earth!
Did you add this to the Integral XP that you gave me a link to ?Or did you do it on a non Integral one? o_O

Yesterday I connected a 32-year-old 125MB Western Digital Caviar 3.5-inch hard drive to a modern socket 1700 motherboard, and it still works perfectly. I was able to access the data on it. It was manufactured in 1992 and last used in 2002.
Wow that,s amazing ,that something like a old hard drive of that age still works o_O
 
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I have a 8088 XT with 21MB MFM from Kalok that still works like new.
I would love to hear a "sound test" of that HDD spinning up and running a defrag or something. People do that with keyboards these days, so why not HDDs?
 
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Power Supply eVGA Supernova G3 750W
Mouse Logitech G Pro (Hero)
Software Windows 11 Pro x64 23H2
Wow that,s amazing ,that something like a old hard drive of that age still works o_O
Hard drives from pre-1998=TMK, SMART didn't even exist! It was of course normal for the OS to also see bad blocks, if any.
Also, we're likely talking about a hard drive that's PIO-mode-only! As it's from 1992, which will be the days of Windows 3.1! Likely that MS-DOS 6 wasn't even released yet. So unless DOS was upgraded, it probably has MS-DOS 5x. And of course, years away from FAT32, there would be FAT16. (unless FAT12, but that's for floppies, IIRC)
 
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Video Card(s) Gigabyte Nvidia RTX2060 6GB
Storage 2TB Samsung 860 EVO SSD//2TB WD Black HDD
Display(s) Samsung SyncMaster P2350 23in @ 1920x1080 + Dell E2013H 20 in @1600x900
Case Dell Precision T3600 Chassis
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Power Supply 630w Dell T3600 PSU
Mouse Logitech G700s/G502
Keyboard Logitech K740
Software Linux Mint 20
Benchmark Scores Network: APs: Cisco Meraki MR32, Ubiquiti Unifi AP-AC-LR and Lite Router/Sw:Meraki MX64 MS220-8P
Lil fun on simcity 2k!! Works good
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Full setup pic with the guest or whatever optiplex which that rig is a core 2 duo
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Full setup pic with the guest or whatever optiplex which that rig is a core 2 duo
I see AoE II is next! And what are the other two machines?
 
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I was going thru my junk room/guest room and I found a DELLLL DIMENSIONNN 4100 system that has a pentium 3!!! I trited with my nvidia geforce 440mx card and it went to the sillicon heaven so I got a geforce fx5200 for only 15 dollars

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View attachment 371195

installed it and off we go!



View attachment 371187

there's the specs in bios!

here's it booting
View attachment 371188
View attachment 371189

had to reinstall the windows version that was allready on there last night cuz this used to be my sister's and I think she may have gotten a virus or something a buncha dll files werte missing and no repair operations worked not even live linux distros! most of those couldn't even view system32 so that was a buncha war last night and I was up till 5:30 am, gave up got some shut eye and woke up and installed a slick vista look alike build of xp that I am so glad I still had the iso for!

View attachment 371191

and it finally installed and here's the desktop and some specs

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Nice! Custom Windows ISO?

Did you add this to the Integral XP that you gave me a link to ?Or did you do it on a non Integral one? o_O
No, I'm using Integral Edition. It the easiest to install and use.
 
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