AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[Taraquin]

Nitropath is mostly beneficial for 4 dimm boards though. Der8auer's video was pretty insightful as to what it actually is.

I should have one if I can snag a deal over the coming weeks.

2 dimm boards dont need nitropath. Nitropath is only beneficial if the board has 4 dimm-slots

 

[LittleBro]

I suggest to check other reviews as well. There are some significant differences between TPU's review and others. Where 9800X3D really shines seems to be: Homeworld 3, Baldur's Gate 3, Anno 1800, Far Cry 6; A Plague Tale, Borderlands 3, Flight Simulator and other CPU heavy games.

I will upgrade to 9800X3D from 5600X, because it provides best of both worlds: excellent gaming performance and 9700X-like application performance. There's no need to overclock 9800X3D, I'll just use curve optimizer to take down voltages and it should be much more efficient CPU than at stock. Maximum boost frequency is not a limiting factor of this CPU in gaming.

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Paul's Hardware:

Hardware Canucks:

Gamers Nexus:

Hardware Unboxed:

Tech YES City:

Tom's Hardware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6zJMSx4Ceo

 

[btk2k2]

Not my point, just this whole fastest gaming CPU moniker that is thrown about every new gen, this is no faster give or take than the 7800x3d or 10-15 other CPU's when tested at 4k with a 4090, no one is buying this to play at 720p or 1080p or with a middle of the road GPU, yes it gets 1-3FPS better than the next 10 CPU's in the 4k list, it's a nothing burger but still people will buy and pay more for with their 4090 or 5090 when released for epeen value, nothing else, most CPUS from the last 3 years can drive a 4090 @4k as you are GPU limited, people just like to have the latest and greatest when in fact it's good CPU and yes miles ahead (AT 720p/1080p!!!) move up to 1440p or 4K and you could literally buy a Ryzen 7600 or 12700k and anything in between and be within 3% difference

It will matter in Stellaris (5s faster than the in the GN bench, > 10s faster in the LTT bench) that means it will also make a difference in HoI4, EU4, CK3, Victoria3 and the other Paradox grand strategy games.

It will matter in Civ 6 turn time so will probably matter in Civ 7 turn time next year.

It matters in sim racing games like ACC, iRacing.

It matters in ARPGS like Path of Exile, Diablo 4, Last Epoch.

It matters in flight sims like MSFS

It matters in MMOs like WOW.

It matters in RTS games like Starcraft 2.

It matters in Factory games like Factorio, Satisfactory etc

The bottom line is that CPU reviews are utter shit for gaming because it is a lot of the same kinds of games with very little actual variety in game types or game engines.

If CPU reviews actually tested a wider variety of games (games that are incredibly popular going by steam charts) then a lot of this 'CPU does not matter at 4K' nonsense would die because it absolutely does for a large number of games. Sure for the latest AAA titles it may not matter but that is only 1 section of the market.

 

[Tek-Check]

How impressive efficiency of 9800X3D in fact is, the below OC session shows. Only 100W with 6.9 GHz clocks.

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU Achieves Over 1000 FPS In CS2, Over 2000 FPS in Valorant With 6.9 GHz Overclock At Just 100W

AMD's Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU is aimed at being the most proclaimed gaming chip ever made & achieves over 1000 FPS in popular esports titles.

wccftech.com

 

[springs113]

It will matter in Stellaris (5s faster than the in the GN bench, > 10s faster in the LTT bench) that means it will also make a difference in HoI4, EU4, CK3, Victoria3 and the other Paradox grand strategy games.

It will matter in Civ 6 turn time so will probably matter in Civ 7 turn time next year.

It matters in sim racing games like ACC, iRacing.

It matters in ARPGS like Path of Exile, Diablo 4, Last Epoch.

It matters in flight sims like MSFS

It matters in MMOs like WOW.

It matters in RTS games like Starcraft 2.

It matters in Factory games like Factorio, Satisfactory etc

The bottom line is that CPU reviews are utter shit for gaming because it is a lot of the same kinds of games with very little actual variety in game types or game engines.

If CPU reviews actually tested a wider variety of games (games that are incredibly popular going by steam charts) then a lot of this 'CPU does not matter at 4K' nonsense would die because it absolutely does for a large number of games. Sure for the latest AAA titles it may not matter but that is only 1 section of the market.

Exactly... also you can add that new monster hunter game that was in beta session over the weekend. Cpu intensive for sure.

 

[Vayra86]

I almost wonder if 7800x3d is still technically the better chip, look at those power savings, for not much difference in performance: source: techspot

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I don't think the chip/silicon is 'better', its just tuned differently. Basically we're just looking at a 7800X3D-KS if you ask me. Not much else really changed; efficiency dead, clock up.

 

[AusWolf]

I don't think the chip/silicon is 'better', its just tuned differently. Basically we're just looking at a 7800X3D-KS if you ask me. Not much else really changed; efficiency dead, clock up.

Finally someone can see this!

I'm not sure how much of an architectural effort that 10-15% improvement in performance is when power consumption basically doubled.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Finally someone can see this!

I'm not sure how much of an architectural effort that 10-15% improvement in performance is when power consumption basically doubled.

Huh?!

I posted this

"What part of the gaming improvement can be explained only by higher frequency compared to 7800X3D?"

twice already here!

 

[AusWolf]

Huh?!

I posted this

"What part of the gaming improvement can be explained only by higher frequency compared to 7800X3D?"

twice already here!

I must have missed, or skimmed through your post. I'm a bit tired after work. Sorry.

 

[ThomasK]

Guess the 9800X3D is the only option for people building a new PC for games with next gen GPUs from AMD and NVIDIA.

 

[AusWolf]

Guess the 9800X3D is the only option for people building a new PC for games with next gen GPUs from AMD and NVIDIA.

It's the best option, but not the only one.

 

[LittleBro]

Just for fun:

Guess the 9800X3D is the only option for people building a new PC for games with next gen GPUs from AMD and NVIDIA.

That's not entirely true. Except for RTX 5090 and even RTX 5090 Ti (if it comes) there is no real expectation that any of new gen AMD/Nvidia GPUs will surpass RTX 4090 requirements on CPU.

But to me it seems that 9800X3D is much better choice over 7800X3D when upgrading from pre-Zen4 CPUs.

 

[ThomasK]

That's not entirely true. Except for RTX 5090 and even RTX 5090 Ti (if it comes) there is no real expectation that any of new gen AMD/Nvidia GPUs will surpass RTX 4090 requirements on CPU.

But to me it seems that 9800X3D is much better choice over 7800X3D when upgrading from pre-Zen4 CPUs.

Official requirements is one thing.

If you plan to run newer games at lower res (say 1080p) with a high refresh monitor, the 9800X3D might be the only feasible option.

 

[Taraquin]

Official requirements is one thing.

If you plan to run newer games at lower res (say 1080p) with a high refresh monitor, the 9800X3D might be the only feasible option.

...or use fsr/dlss on a 4k/1440p res which basically runs at 720-1080p-ish

 

[AusWolf]

Official requirements is one thing.

If you plan to run newer games at lower res (say 1080p) with a high refresh monitor, the 9800X3D might be the only feasible option.

You're using the word "only" again like the 9800X3D was the first CPU ever made. I wonder why you think 10-20% performance is so significant that you could never buy a 7700X or a 13700K and be happy with it. Or like 5800X3D users suddenly couldn't play games anymore.

 

[Wasteland]

The thing people don't get is that you can circumvent GPU bottlenecks by dropping a few settings, not much you can do about CPU. If your CPU maxes out at 50 fps, that's pretty much it, you are at 50 bar a few settings that might help.

This is the key point. And then of course there's game selection (e.g. strategy games favoring CPU perf), use case preferences (e.g. high-refresh/competitive gaming) and longevity--but all of those resolve into fevgatos' comment here. You're largely stuck with your CPU's max throughput, which doesn't care about your screen's resolution. Quantifying that max throughput, relative to the throughput of competing models, is the most useful thing a CPU reviewer can do.

Of course, you can still make a compelling case (and I often do) that the average gamer shouldn't spend more than about $250 on his CPU, but there's a temptation to take that argument way too far. To the budget-conscious gamer, a $250 CPU generally beats something like the 9800x3d because the extra $200 will typically make a bigger difference when invested elsewhere, not because the 9800x3d's performance advantage doesn't matter. There are cost-efficiency sweet spots for every component.

If, on the other hand, you prefer games that are GPU-light/CPU-heavy, and/or you also want decent productivity with fantastic power efficiency, and/or you just want the best regardless of price, the 9800x3d might be for you.

 

[Hankieroseman]

9800X3D or bust. 9950X3D is the goal. But I see why they said it wasn't worth it to upgrade form 7950X to X3D model. Excellent review Mister W1zzard.

Just for fun:

That's not entirely true. Except for RTX 5090 and even RTX 5090 Ti (if it comes) there is no real expectation that any of new gen AMD/Nvidia GPUs will surpass RTX 4090 requirements on CPU.

But to me it seems that 9800X3D is much better choice over 7800X3D when upgrading from pre-Zen4 CPUs.

And RTX5090 will include Display Port 2.1 supporting 7860x2160 @240Hz

 

[W1zzard]

http://imgur.com/AsmMo0i

CPU for GPU test system has been ordered

 

[Zach_01]

Der8auer said that the following graphs are 50min long for avg FPS AND power consumption. So its avg W also

Against 7800X3D

Here, same W but +7% avg FPS and +12% lows




Now different story...
+23% W, +11% avg FPS, +1% lows




Different story yet again and in 4K!
-8% W, +2.4% avg FPS, +6.5% lows




1440p, same W, +8.5% avg FPS, +5.5% lows




+1.4% W, +21% avg FPS, +30% lows

 

[Hankieroseman]

Scalping on AMAZON already.
Holy Shhh....

 

[ThomasK]

You're using the word "only" again like the 9800X3D was the first CPU ever made. I wonder why you think 10-20% performance is so significant that you could never buy a 7700X or a 13700K and be happy with it. Or like 5800X3D users suddenly couldn't play games anymore.

Those are your words, not mine.

You quoted my answer to a reply in regards to buying a NEW system, with a next gen GPU, such as the RTX 5090 or whatever AMD comes up with next.

The 9800X3D is the best gaming CPU for AM5, period. Or do you honestly think someone with the budget for a 5090 will opt for the 13700K's dead platform, or even the 7700X? I mean, please.

If your interpretation skills are lacking, joke's on you.

 

[Hankieroseman]

AMD website "OUT OF STOCK" Just listed this morning.

 

[windwhirl]

Scalping on AMAZON already.
Holy Shhh....

Yeah, of course. It's not like it's a regulated price

 

[Code3]

Yeah, of course. It's not like it's a regulated price

Not at all

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[Sh1nta@]

If people want to put more load on their gpu at 1440p then use dldsr 2.5 to go to 4k with dlss of your choice depending on the headroom you have with your gpu and the fps you are aiming for.
Then all this talk about cpu bottleneck in 1080p or 1440p no longer exists.
Same if your gpu usage fluctuates between 85/99% in 4k dlaa. Play in 6144x3240 (dldsr 2.5) with dlss balanced/whatever you want and your gpu will stay at 99%.
There is no more cpu bottleneck there either.

That's why these nvidia tools(dsr/dldsr) exist.