Microsoft Releases Official ISO for Windows 11 on Arm

[R0H1T]

Well it's been surprisingly stable on Parallels & VMware Fusion I have on the last Mac Mini (M2), in fact more than Windows on x86

 

[bug]

Well it's been surprisingly stable on Parallels & VMware Fusion I have on the last Mac Mini (M2), in fact more than Windows on x86

How does that work? Do Parallels and VMWare Fusion fox Windows bugs? Or how is it more stable?

 

[lexluthermiester]

What hardware Microsoft should use for an R&D phase of Windows on RISC-V?

And you think the folks at microsoft would not know where to get dev boards? Seriously?

 

[R0H1T]

How does that work? Do Parallels and VMWare Fusion fox Windows bugs? Or how is it more stable?

More "bugs" on regular Windows, especially with (display) drivers and Windows updates. Of course I've installed nothing big on the ARM version, so not a 100% fair comparison, but wasn't there some news/report that ARM Windows (drivers) don't have the same level of access for the kernel?

 

[lexluthermiester]

More "bugs" on regular Windows, especially with (display) drivers and Windows updates.

Those are not solved by compiling for ARM.

Of course I've installed nothing big on the ARM version, so not a 100% fair comparison

Do a bit of testing and let us know how it goes.

but wasn't there some news/report that ARM Windows (drivers) don't have the same level of access for the kernel?

Thinking you're right but can't remember where that article was. If I find it again, will link it here.

 

[Mindweaver]

Raspberry PI?

I'm sure it's possible, but the big question is why would anyone ever?

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm sure it's possible, but the big question is why would anyone ever?

It might be useful. Windows 11 can run smoothly on much lower specs than an RPi4 or 5.

 

[Mindweaver]

It might be useful. Windows 11 can run smoothly on much lower specs than an RPi4 or 5.

I have a Pi4 so I might do it for Science. lol

 

[lexluthermiester]

I have a Pi4 so I might do it for Science. lol

As long as you have the 8GB version, my guess is that it would be a reasonable experience. The 4GB? No idea.. On a Corei5 2540 with 4GB it runs ok, but it does chug a bit here & there.

 

[cal5582]

Great. I welcome to see more Arm devices.

why?

 

[dicobalt]

I'm going to look into my crystal ball and predict that Windows 12 will run natively on Apple hardware.

 

[seronx]

What hardware Microsoft should use for an R&D phase of Windows on RISC-V?

RVA23 just got ratified so it should be soon-ish.

As a matter of fact RISC-V ISA fragmentation ( too many extensions released ) is an extremely terrible thing and it creates a lot of problems for software development teams, especially for developers of compilers, like GCC and LLVM. Even mighty Google is having problems with Android on RISC-V project!

Fragmentation isn't an issue with RISC-V. As the profiles will absorb what is needed to be supported.

RVA22+Vector+Vector Crypto => RVA23
“Google is delighted to see the ratification of the RVA23 Profile,” said Lars Bergstrom, Director of Engineering, Google. “This profile has been the result of a broad industry collaboration, and is now the baseline requirement for the Android RISC-V Application Binary Interface (ABI).”

GKI+ACK will return for RISC-V sometime in 1H25 for RVA23. As there is some corporations going for early production on smartphones. Android RISC-V smartphones should be 2H25 to 1H26. While HPC can come out even sooner. Where Alibaba wants their RVA23 device out by December 31st, 2024; replacing the YiTian 710.

 

[kondamin]

No, that's a terrible idea. Bad Felicia!

I still consider the Lumia 1520 the best phone I have ever had.
and the OS was a big part of that it did what I needed it to do.

 

[bug]

I still consider the Lumia 1520 the best phone I have ever had.
and the OS was a big part of that it did what I needed it to do.

'twas a different OS...

 

[v12dock]

Nice, now I can uninstall the default Lenovo bloat Windows and get a clean install on my Snapdragon X laptop.

 

[Nhonho]

Another nail in the x86 coffin.

ARM processors, especially those from Nvidia, will be very strong competition for Intel and AMD. And, consequently, Intel and AMD will see a drastic decrease in their sales revenue.

If Intel doesn't hire a CEO who is a "genius of the galaxies" in business administration (seriously), it will suffer about 10 years of losses and will be bought out.

 

[bug]

ARM processors, especially those from Nvidia, will be very strong competition for Intel and AMD. And, consequently, Intel and AMD will see a drastic decrease in their sales revenue.

If Intel doesn't hire a CEO who is a "genius of the galaxies" in business administration (seriously), it will suffer about 10 years of losses and will be bought out.

Everybody's selling as much as they can make, the fab war is in full force. There's enough demand so you you won't lose sales even if new players enter the game.
My beef with ARM is that it tends to lock down the bootloader. And that drivers are almost exclusively proprietary with abysmal support. While that may be passable on a phone that never changes its hardware, it would be a major roadblock for a PC.

 

[Draconis]

why?

Competition. The more the better for consumers.

 

[Nhonho]

Everybody's selling as much as they can make, the fab war is in full force. There's enough demand so you you won't lose sales even if new players enter the game.

Of course...

Intel "Arrow Lake-S" Core Ultra 200S Sells Zero Units at German Retailer​

Intel "Arrow Lake-S" Core Ultra 200S Sells Zero Units at German Retailer

The launch of Intel's "Arrow Lake-S" Core Ultra 200S series of desktop processors has been a bit of a disappointment for gamers, given a slight regression in the new generation's gaming performance. While excelling in productivity tasks, these CPUs are not seemingly the top choice for gamers...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[lexluthermiester]

Of course...

Intel "Arrow Lake-S" Core Ultra 200S Sells Zero Units at German Retailer​

Intel "Arrow Lake-S" Core Ultra 200S Sells Zero Units at German Retailer

The launch of Intel's "Arrow Lake-S" Core Ultra 200S series of desktop processors has been a bit of a disappointment for gamers, given a slight regression in the new generation's gaming performance. While excelling in productivity tasks, these CPUs are not seemingly the top choice for gamers...

www.techpowerup.com

There's some context in that article that needs to be re-read.

 

[bug]

Of course...

Intel "Arrow Lake-S" Core Ultra 200S Sells Zero Units at German Retailer​

Intel "Arrow Lake-S" Core Ultra 200S Sells Zero Units at German Retailer

The launch of Intel's "Arrow Lake-S" Core Ultra 200S series of desktop processors has been a bit of a disappointment for gamers, given a slight regression in the new generation's gaming performance. While excelling in productivity tasks, these CPUs are not seemingly the top choice for gamers...

www.techpowerup.com

Yes, a bad week at Mindfactory (a seller that's like 10x smaller than, say, BestBuy) is something no one is expected to recover from.

 

[AGlezB]

ARM processors, especially those from Nvidia, will be very strong competition for Intel and AMD. And, consequently, Intel and AMD will see a drastic decrease in their sales revenue.

If Intel doesn't hire a CEO who is a "genius of the galaxies" in business administration (seriously), it will suffer about 10 years of losses and will be bought out.

Intel and AMD are not going away. If anything, they'll be the first ones to know when to jump ship.

If all goes as I expect Intel will continue to pivot heavily towards chip manufacturing, which is something they're already doing. With a bit of luck they'll also keep improving their GPUs until they can compete with nVidia. And don't think the lackluster performance of Arrow Lake is an indication of things to come. This is their first official attempt at a chiplet CPU and Intel has no lack of engineering talent. If they don't loose focus in a few generations they'll be matching or even beating AMD in every benchmark.

AMD, on the other hand, is just licensing x86. They've been rumored to be working on ARM CPUs and there is no reason for them not to. Leaving aside the investments they've made on x86 they can just let the license expire and focus on ARM, GPUs and the rest of their portfolio. Since nVidia is focusing mostly on high-end hardware they have good chance to saturate the low and mid-end GPU market, hopefuly with some competition from Intel.

I'd be more worried about x86 OEMs because they usually are smaller companies with smaller R&D budgets to invest into designing and manufacturing hardware for other platforms. The more focused on x86 a company is the harder it will get hit unless they start taking measures years in advance and to be clear this isn't anything new. It happened from ISA to PCI to PCIex, it happened from 16 to 32 to 64 bits and to every other bit of tech we use today. This list is full of companies that didn't make the cut:

List of x86 manufacturers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Random_User]

Another nail in the x86 coffin.

MS is after the money. There's nothing special. Once MS was pushing the Wintel aliance. Now, with Intel having troubles, and Qualcom, finally breaching the "eternal" wall of "x86 Windows", there's no wonders, if MS will try to push the narrative that way. Especially, wth the wealthiest company announcing their own CPUs (ARM) joint-venture with Mediatek. Who knows, if nVidia, or Qualcom, one day would replace Intel in the Wintel cartel. Wincomm, or Windia.

But I don't see the point in installing another obnoxious ad-infested malware-operated system (especially so bug-riddled). There's already Google Android for that role. This is highly doubtful, that competition between two SW giants, for the title of the less user-friendly OC, and of course... the precious user private data.
Both Windows and Android, do not benefit the old HW, and push the planned obsolescence.

I'm not a Linux advocate, or expert, but on the other hand, it works quite nice on the very old hardware. The Android is basically the capped Linux, with the timed (deliberately) HW support. Windows is even worse, because MS, can decide to cut the support abruptly, and unexpectedly, like it happened already.

The only power of Windows, is the support of windows-locked programs, that software companies use to take the profesiional users as hostages. If there were more of decent open alternatives to the basically monopoly status, SW, like, e.g. Adobe, Autocad, etc, much like the anti-cheat companies, the switch to the Linux would be flood-sized. This is the only thing, that artificially holds the userbase from going over.

Excuse me, for any inconveniences, and mistakes. Just some random thoughts.

 

[Trumps_gog]

It's somewhat difficult to find the appeal in Arm Windows when the key advantages of regular Windows are missing. Personally, I'm not sticking with Windows out of sheer stubbornness.

This isn't really Microsoft's fault, as it's clearly a result of using Arm, but I might as well switch to a different OS.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Why bother with inferior OS, that is only good as an advertisement platform.

Wait, what?