TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Greenslade]

That's ok, you're still learning. We've all been there.

What do i need to change in the panal?And should i try one of those direct x,s?

Good table of compatibility (with downloads), can be found here :

MicroSoft DirectX Downloads for Windows (Win95, Win98, Win98SE, WinME, Win2000, WinXP) - complete release history including DirectX1, DirectX2, DirectX3, DirectX5, DirecX6, DirecX7, DirecX8, DirecX9

Thanks agent -x007 I have got direct x 8. on there.

 

[stinger608]

Good table of compatibility (with downloads), can be found here :

MicroSoft DirectX Downloads for Windows (Win95, Win98, Win98SE, WinME, Win2000, WinXP) - complete release history including DirectX1, DirectX2, DirectX3, DirectX5, DirecX6, DirecX7, DirecX8, DirecX9

Awesome!!!! I had that site in the original post, however, it wouldn't work any longer.
I replaced it with the link you included!!!

Hope you don't mind.

 

[lexluthermiester]

What do i need to change in the panal?And should i try one of those direct x,s?

Thanks agent -x007 I have got direct x 8. on there.

Show us the SmartGart & OverDrive tabs. I have a hunch.

 

[agent_x007]

Awesome!!!! I had that site in the original post, however, it wouldn't work any longer.
I replaced it with the link you included!!!

Hope you don't mind.

Nope, go for it
That site isn't just directx though

Some older benchmarks :

Benchmark Tools

Some OC tools :

FalconFly Software Archive

And website itself is for... 3dfx cards :

FalconFly Central, Home of the 3dfx File Archive

Also, a bit of a side note for those that do not know what model number mean for each Creative cards (always avoid OEM ones when possible !) :
https://nomoregoatsoup.wordpress.com/model-index/

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I made a quick vid of the oldest HDD I have spinning up and running a defragmentation:

Also, that power switch is exactly as satisfying as it sounds.

Sounds like an old school AMI BIOS. IIRC, known for giving the bleep after it POSTed, but right before looking for an OS.

Award, IIRC, would give one short bleep to indicate no POST-failure-level-error, right about when the BIOS information screen first appears.

But wait there's more!!

Hubby's dad gave us back the dell inspiron e1405 that we gave him a few years back


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I lost count of all my laptops now lmao!!! Fr I have to go count em ageen

Pre-Core2, is like a Pentium M with dual cores, so it's x32-only, sorry.

 

[jak_2456]

Sounds like an old school AMI BIOS. IIRC, known for giving the bleep after it POSTed, but right before looking for an OS.

Award, IIRC, would give one short bleep to indicate no POST-failure-level-error, right about when the BIOS information screen first appears.

That PC does have an AMI BIOS. I'll make a post with a picture of the full setup soon.
Also, not an ad for Seasonic or anything, but the PSU that that PC has (a Seasonic SS-200S) is from 1987 and still works. That PC sat in a garage that was not temperature-controlled for almost a decade and had to endure freezing temperatures and some humidity during the summer (we get the works in MI).

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

That PC does have an AMI BIOS. I'll make a post with a picture of the full setup soon.

I noticed that the late-1990s IBM BIOS is like the older AMI BIOS, too, when it bleeps, (one short bleep) it means it switched to the OS-load-stage.
Noticed this on the IBM Aptiva with Pentium 133 that my family had.

You will hear "bleep", immediately followed by "Starting Windows 95" text.

The BIOSes of this century, OTOH, usually don't do that. Instead, it will only give a single short bleep, when it's ready to display the first information screen, and it will do more checks before even showing any screen!

 

[AUTOEXEC.BAT]

That is just the bridge chip. The chip for the card is under the sticker. In a different model 2940 card I found an image of one without the sticker.

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I'm little noob into SCSI, but i have that first connector (Ultra2-LVD-SE) hooked op to my harddrive.

That second connector also have an old 50 pin... Is that a shared connector? So 68 OR 50pin can hooked up at once?
Is it better to connect CD-ROM etc to that second connector 68 or 50 pin?
(i dont know if scsi cdrom in 68 pin exists?)

 

[A Computer Guy]

I'm little noob into SCSI, but i have that first connector (Ultra2-LVD-SE) hooked op to my harddrive.

That second connector also have an old 50 pin... Is that a shared connector? So 68 OR 50pin can hooked up at once?
Is it better to connect CD-ROM etc to that second connector 68 or 50 pin?
(i dont know if scsi cdrom in 68 pin exists?)

It' been forever since I did anything SCSI but if I recall you can use all 4 connections at the same time with that card (best to check the manual) however each connector including the external one will need proper termination if used. I only ever had and used LVD/SE devices that were two hard drives first with that Ultra2 card you have and later with the Ultra160 card.

Did you get the HDD to work in Windows 2000?

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm little noob into SCSI, but i have that first connector (Ultra2-LVD-SE) hooked op to my harddrive.

That second connector also have an old 50 pin... Is that a shared connector? So 68 OR 50pin can hooked up at once?
Is it better to connect CD-ROM etc to that second connector 68 or 50 pin?
(i dont know if scsi cdrom in 68 pin exists?)

SCSI can be tricky. I was a SCSI guy BITD. Feel free to PM me or tag me in a thread if you need any help with termination or drive ID config.

It' been forever since I did anything SCSI but if I recall you can use all 4 connections at the same time with that card

That is correct. I don't remember the detailed specs for the that card, but one should be able to use upto 6 drives per connection. Some SCSI cards had multi LVD 68/80pin connectors for large scale drive array. It is also possible that that card has a limit of 6 drive total. Either way, lots of drives.

 

[AUTOEXEC.BAT]

Did you get the HDD to work in Windows 2000?

Yes, it worked okay, but my SB0100 was giving troubles. Now I installed WinME on it. Also without troubles. So the conflict was between NT4 and my SCSI card.
I ordered a HDD cooler to mount under the drive. After Windows ME install and GPU drivers the damn thing was so bloody hot. i couldn't hold it longer than 5 seconds in my hand.
It's a 10.000 RPM model

Feel free to PM me or tag me in a thread if you need any help with termination or drive ID config.

Thx. Maybe in future 1 SCSI HDD more, and SCSI CDROM & Burner. But i will see, they are pretty expensive these days.

 

[lexluthermiester]

they are pretty expensive these days.

True. The nice thing about SCSI stuff is that alot of it survives today because it was built to higher standards. Cards, drives even cables. So if you do get some stuff, chances are it'll work for a long time.

 

[remixedcat]

Sounds like an old school AMI BIOS. IIRC, known for giving the bleep after it POSTed, but right before looking for an OS.

Award, IIRC, would give one short bleep to indicate no POST-failure-level-error, right about when the BIOS information screen first appears.


Pre-Core2, is like a Pentium M with dual cores, so it's x32-only, sorry.

Yeah but it's a retro rig that'll be used for older Linux distros n stuff since I already have a Vista frutiger aero rig

 

[lexluthermiester]

frutiger

I need help with this word.

 

[AUTOEXEC.BAT]

Pre-Core2, is like a Pentium M with dual cores, so it's x32-only, sorry.

Welcome in the Nostalgia topic
I.m.o x64 does not belong here... It runs 7, 8 ,10 and 11 with no issues

I.m.o This is a topic for all single cores till P4

 

[Veseleil]

Welcome in the Nostalgia topic
I.m.o x64 does not belong here... It runs 7, 8 ,10 and 11 with no issues

I.m.o This is a topic for all single cores till P4

Like it's your job to decide what should be considered nostalgic for other people. What if I told you that my 1060 and E3 Xeon platform I'm already considering as a nostalgic pieces of my hardware puzzle? How old is the Win 7 and 64-bit instruction set? Those are rhetoric questions, and please for the sake of the thread and for not giving the mods any work opportunity - do not reply to this. Good laugh nonetheless, ty.

 

[remixedcat]

I need help with this word.

Frutiger aero is the glossy Vista style

Frutiger Aero - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[lexluthermiester]

I.m.o x64 does not belong here... It runs 7, 8 ,10 and 11 with no issues

I.m.o This is a topic for all single cores till P4

No. This club is generally for anything hardware related considered "retro" and nostalgic. Those terms are as equally flexible as they are subjective. For example, Socket 1366 generally qualifies because it's officially retired, unsupported and more than 10 to 12 years old. The creator of this thread, @stinger608 has stated this general idea several times since he created the club.

So let's be clear. All are welcome here. So let's be friendly and open.

Frutiger aero is the glossy Vista style

Frutiger Aero - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ah, ok. Nice! Had never seen that.

 

[AUTOEXEC.BAT]

Like it's your job to decide what should be considered nostalgic for other people. What if I told you that my 1060 and E3 Xeon platform I'm already considering as a nostalgic pieces of my hardware puzzle? How old is the Win 7 and 64-bit instruction set? Those are rhetoric questions, and please for the sake of the thread and for not giving the mods any work opportunity - do not reply to this. Good laugh nonetheless, ty.

Do i say that its up to me to decide whats allowed in this topic? Its just my opinion like i said before
I have a 1060 myself, but i dont see that as Nostalgia.

If you dont want replys to that, dont post.

No. This club is generally for anything hardware related considered "retro" and nostalgic. Those terms are as equally flexible as they are subjective. For example, Socket 1366 generally qualifies because it's officially retired, unsupported and more than 10 to 12 years old. The creator of this thread, @stinger608 has stated this general idea several times since he created the club.

So let's be clear. All are welcome here. So let's be friendly and open.


Ah, ok. Nice! Had never seen that.

I never said to change the rules of this topic. Is is just my opinion.
If i had a topic like this, (what i have on another website) i would have mentioned in the startpost to post only the earlier hardware. They are free to post, but make their own topic, with own rules.
But thats because retro/Nostalgia ends at P4 (Single Cores) for me.

 

[Greenslade]

I just wanted to clarify what is deemed Retro in Pc terms.I thought it was Vista but it seems to be Windows 7 .
I have just looked it up on my number one browser Brave and this is what it says
*Based on the provided information, Windows 7 can be considered retro in PC terms as of 2024, as it has been 15 years since its initial release on October 22, 2009. This milestone is often used to define the start of the “retro” era for PC operating systems.*
So it has to be 15 years old before it can be called Retro.

Show us the SmartGart & OverDrive tabs. I have a hunch.

I can change the the Speed ,but can,t turn it on. On is greyed out. over drive is not enabled it is off i can change that.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I never said to change the rules of this topic. Is is just my opinion.
If i had a topic like this, (what i have on another website) i would have mentioned in the startpost to post only the earlier hardware. They are free to post, but make their own topic, with own rules.
But thats because retro/Nostalgia ends at P4 (Single Cores) for me.

The problem with your logic is that this very club was started in 2009(15years ago) and back then the Pentium 4 and even Pentium 3 were still a reasonable shout CPU set to be using and Windows XP was still king. This thread has stayed alive & relevant all this time because of it's flexible nature. And that is the way it's going to continue. Flexible and welcome to all.

I just wanted to clarify what is deemed Retro in Pc terms.I thought it was Vista but it seems to be Windows 7 .
I have just looked it up on my number one browser Brave and this is what it says
*Based on the provided information, Windows 7 can be considered retro in PC terms as of 2024, as it has been 15 years since its initial release on October 22, 2009. This milestone is often used to define the start of the “retro” era for PC operating systems.*
So it has to be 15 years old before it can be called Retro.

Sorry, but there is no hard line on what is and is not "retro" or "nostalgic". Something doesn't just go from being modern one day and magically becomes "retro" the very next. There is no magic arbitrary date or time defined.

I can change the the Speed ,but can,t turn it on. On is greyed out. over drive is not enabled it is off i can change that.

Ok, that might be a problem. The AGP speed settings should be movable from 4X or 8X. You might have a hardware problem. Are you sure that card works 100%? Might be time to start a troubleshooting thread for this.

EDIT: Just had a thought. It's also possible that card is not AGP 4X/8X compatible and thus will not play nice with that board even though it posts. It'll post and run but not the way it's intended.

EDIT2: Nevermind, just looked back at your previous posts and the Radeon 9600 is an 8X card.

 

[remixedcat]

No. This club is generally for anything hardware related considered "retro" and nostalgic. Those terms are as equally flexible as they are subjective. For example, Socket 1366 generally qualifies because it's officially retired, unsupported and more than 10 to 12 years old. The creator of this thread, @stinger608 has stated this general idea several times since he created the club.

So let's be clear. All are welcome here. So let's be friendly and open.


Ah, ok. Nice! Had never seen that.

Yeah it's pretty cool stuff I miss that glossy look

 

[Greenslade]

The problem with your logic is that this very club was started in 2009(15years ago) and back then the Pentium 4 and even Pentium 3 were still a reasonable shout CPU set to be using and Windows XP was still king. This thread has stayed alive & relevant all this time because of it's flexible nature. And that it the way it's going to continue. Flexible and welcome to all.


Sorry, but there is no hard line on what is and is not "retro" or "nostalgic". Something doesn't just go from being modern one day and magically becomes "retro" the very next. There is no magic arbitrary date or time defined.


Ok, that might be a problem. The AGP speed settings should be movable from 4X or 8X. You might have a hardware problem. Are you sure that card works 100%? Might be time to start a troubleshooting thread for this.

Well when i first tried it on the board the screen kept on flickering.I can move the speed setting to max.I click new bench marl it comes to 452 i click anything it goes off ti 454 i changed setting to 4x and 8x show.

I am trying to get 98 on a cf card it gets to the end and says press any key ,then the computer shuts down,

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Yes, it worked okay, but my SB0100 was giving troubles.

I had a faulty SB0100, too. It was fine, then it kept failing to work. I was using it for my daily-driver back in 2008 and 2009, possibly up to the mid-2010s. I got it in the '00s, so I wonder if it had bad caps now.
But, I didn't need it for my Asus Maximus II Gene that I got in 2013 used. (It's a board from 2009, making it a very-late socket 775 motherboard)

It runs 7, 8 ,10 and 11 with no issues

Well, of course, x32 NT6, uses less RAM, so I literally often used a 32-bit Windows, especially Vista on my late-at-the-time system.

I often didn't like using x64 NT6 for <5 GB of RAM for daily-usage.

Fun fact: I would often only use x64 for CPU-stability testing with OCs.

 

[DR4G00N]

@Greenslade What motherboard are you using? It may need chipset drivers to enable AGP speeds.