Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive

[AusWolf]

@AusWolf
what utter crap.
size@distance is what "needs" res, not games/visuals.

anything above 24" will look horrible at FHD, and im +50 without the best eyesight.
maybe you are fine looking at the "screen door" effect from low ppi, im not, especially if sitting close like on a desk (not couch-tv).

or is you moni 480p? right..

Actually, your point is kind of the same as mine.

I wouldn't want a 27+" 1080p monitor, but below 24", it's still a fine resolution. If you don't need a bigger size, then there's no point in upgrading just for the increased ppi - unless you want to, and have the money for a faster GPU. If you don't, and your budget only allows something like a 7600 or 4060, then you're better off keeping your old 1080p display instead of crying why high-end GPUs are so expensive. Just because 4K monitors are cheaper than they were a few years ago, it doesn't mean that everybody should rush out to buy one (and "enjoy" a shideshow on it with a low-end GPU).

 

[Waldorf]

nothing forces you to run games in native res, the same way we dont have (and watch) all the video content in the same res than moni/tv.

i can run games in FHD/QHD just fine, but still enjoy a larger screen (50), with no screen-door effect, that i had while running games in native res on a 32" (1440p), at same distance (2-3ft).
ignoring you dont even take games into account, e.g. if i have games that are +5y old, its fine to run 4K with high IQ settings, even mu 2080S can do that.

so no, a 4k screen doesnt mean you need a faster gpu.
the game and used res (image quality settings) determine that.

 

[AusWolf]

nothing forces you to run games in native res, the same way we dont have (and watch) all the video content in the same res than moni/tv.

i can run games in FHD/QHD just fine, but still enjoy a larger screen (50), with no screen-door effect, that i had while running games in native res on a 32" (1440p), at same distance (2-3ft).
ignoring you dont even take games into account, e.g. if i have games that are +5y old, its fine to run 4K with high IQ settings, even mu 2080S can do that.

so no, a 4k screen doesnt mean you need a faster gpu.
the game and used res (image quality settings) determine that.

Definitely. Personally, I'd rather play games at native res with reduced quality settings than lower my resolution or enable upscaling, but that's just me. If my games can't run at native res with low IQ settings anymore, then it's time for a GPU upgrade. If one can't afford that, then they'd better keep their old monitor, imo. Buying a higher res monitor when you can't afford a GPU that runs your games at such resolution is stupid.

 

[Apocalypsee]

I run FHD on 27 inch at arms reach distance, you'll get used to it it wasn't so bad as long as you run native resolution. This monitor also those 'bad VA' with very terrible ghosting when playing games but there is workaround for that too, once properly set up it looks just as good as IPS panel tbh. I also comes from RTX 3080 that prematurely dead because it's an ex mining card, still it lasted me one and half year. The 2060S isn't a powerful card but lowering detail it runs just fine. Once you lower your expectation it wasn't so bad. I'm not aiming to get high end card next time around, as long as it can run the game I expected it to play I'm alright with it, for the right price that is.

 

[9087125]

Personally I don't game and never will at these prices, nope, im more than happy to do 50 other things in life because I have enough brain cells to know they are the same mass produced cheap crap that can fail within just a few years and will be become a slow turd in just 2 years, nothing in PC gaming has changed, new games require CONSTANTLY updating your GPU every 2-4years and back when cards were literally 1/4 the price that was doable, but now its so far from practical. But don't think you have won team green you can't, there's always something better to spend on. I only use a GPU now for basic productivity, gaming to me is dead as road kill. When 8K OLED TVs become affordable around the time the PS6 drops, ill be laughing at these guys gaming on their 4090s and 5090s. With their buggy unoptimized crap, with DLSS smeared all over their matte finish screen Looks like consoles

 

[Waldorf]

@AusWolf
not me, cant stand lower than "med" settings (puke smiley).
short times without gpu (cleaning loop/replacing gpu etc), i had an old 570ti i used as backup/troubleshooter, and vram wasnt enough for Siege in FHD/QHD,
but i could do 720p with "high" IQ.
it was so bad, i decide i rather not play at all.

@9087125
"new" games dont require anything, except that its able to run on your hw/os, so no, you dont need to constantly upgrade it, same as it was 20y ago.
and the fact that +50% of +500M (pc) gamers on this planet are running 720p/1080p res, shows ppl arent forced to upgrade regularly.
ignoring not everyone plays the same games, e.g. minecraft vs 1st person shooters in 4K@240Hz, so how new a game is, doesnt tell how much power it "needs".

8K is irrelevant to screens smaller than 65", short of "professional/work" use, so not sure what has to do with gpu pricing.

unless you always sit in a pitch black room, a matte finish is great, and i will never buy any screen (tv/moni) with a glossy finish, which is usually used to make the image "pop" more on screens,
with panels lacking IQ and/or color depth..

i will never trade a desktop for a console, even if its the PS.
use only a console+tv in the living room for a week, doing all web surfing/research on it, to see how much fun it is.

so since i do want a pc, and i do want to play (3-5x per week, depending on game, improve hand/eye coordination/reaction etc), and guess what, because i didnt buy a console,
i can invest that money in a dgpu.
and i have the option to replace only the gpu in a few years (if i want to), instead of replacing the whole unit (console), which was/is still around 400-700$ on anything above PS2.

if you dont want to replace parts, its fine, but im not really sure how investing ~500-600$ in a console every few years, is any different than buying a new gpu (in similar price range),
and i havent even included things like controllers/games, that usually dont carry over (for free), like they do on the pc.

 

[AusWolf]

Personally I don't game and never will at these prices, nope, im more than happy to do 50 other things in life because I have enough brain cells to know they are the same mass produced cheap crap that can fail within just a few years and will be become a slow turd in just 2 years, nothing in PC gaming has changed, new games require CONSTANTLY updating your GPU every 2-4years and back when cards were literally 1/4 the price that was doable, but now its so far from practical. But don't think you have won team green you can't, there's always something better to spend on. I only use a GPU now for basic productivity, gaming to me is dead as road kill. When 8K OLED TVs become affordable around the time the PS6 drops, ill be laughing at these guys gaming on their 4090s and 5090s. With their buggy unoptimized crap, with DLSS smeared all over their matte finish screen Looks like consoles

That's a very narrow-minded way to think about games. Believe me, there's a million and one fun games that don't require a 4090 if you're willing to look outside of your bland EA / Ubisoft / other AAA bloat.

 

[Onasi]

@AusWolf
Agreed. I think I could unironically subsist on just games made pre-2010 and small indies that would run perfectly fine on an iGPU, let alone a 4090 or something, and not feel an issue at all. Hell, statistically, the vast majority of PC gaming is just people playing LoL, CS and assorted MP games which don’t require much HW grunt. Going “gaming is dead and pointless” just because the latest AAA slop requires a CRAY supercomputer to run at 720p upscaled or something is sure one of the takes of all time.

 

[Krit]

It will be interesting to see what price nvidia will charge for RTX 5070/Ti at this stage AMD and Intel are so irrelevant at (GPU Market Share) that they might push price up to 700/900$.
Maybe it's even for better as long as AMD stays aggressive on pricing as in past not recent years!

 

[DaemonForce]

statistically, the vast majority of PC gaming is just people playing LoL, CS and assorted MP games which don’t require much HW grunt.

This is where we're at:

People care way more about yapping than playing anything and I empathize with that.
However, there are certain things in game that make someone unwatchable just as I wouldn't want to play that way.
The hilarious part is you don't even need very good iGPU for a few hours of yap, which makes me wonder if that's why it's top.
GTAV, PoE2, Fortnite and anything high motion all looks like grainy garbage at low bitrates, so people invest in NVENC.
The gamers that just want to game in private are the ones with good enough hardware (and usually no encode).

 

[tfdsaf]

More people would play these newer games if they weren't so damn unoptimized and a lot of them are just garbage. The last actually fun and great game from Ubisoft was AC: Black Flag, released in 2014 i believe.

Why can't we get AC: Black Flag 2 and done properly? A large open world but filled with stuff to do, just like in the original game. Do the same naval gameplay, but add more missions, add more upgrades, add more ships, embed it even more into the story!

Most of ubisofts games since then have been massive open worlds with nothing to do and garbage side quests to waste your time!

 

[AusWolf]

More people would play these newer games if they weren't so damn unoptimized and a lot of them are just garbage. The last actually fun and great game from Ubisoft was AC: Black Flag, released in 2014 i believe.

Why can't we get AC: Black Flag 2 and done properly? A large open world but filled with stuff to do, just like in the original game. Do the same naval gameplay, but add more missions, add more upgrades, add more ships, embed it even more into the story!

Most of ubisofts games since then have been massive open worlds with nothing to do and garbage side quests to waste your time!

Even better: why can't we get completely new games based on new ideas from these AAA studios?
I don't need episode 2 or 3 or 4 or 3976543 of the same game. I don't need the same comfort. I need new ideas that challenge me.

 

[tfdsaf]

And we now have leaks that show the $1200-1500 RTX 5080 will only have a measly 16GB of VRAM in 2025. Let that sink in, in 2025 for a $1200-1500 GPU we only get 16GB of VRAM. To get more than that you have to likely pay $2500 per all of the rumors and leaks and get a 5090.

Its insane that even a RTX 4080 struggles in new games at 1080p and you freaking need DLSS or some other upscaling bullshit in order to properly run games. In 2025 we are playing 720p games just upscaled at 1080p, its RETARDATION!

 

[Sir Beregond]

And we now have leaks that show the $1200-1500 RTX 5080 will only have a measly 16GB of VRAM in 2025. Let that sink in, in 2025 for a $1200-1500 GPU we only get 16GB of VRAM. To get more than that you have to likely pay $2500 per all of the rumors and leaks and get a 5090.

Its insane that even a RTX 4080 struggles in new games at 1080p and you freaking need DLSS or some other upscaling bullshit in order to properly run games. In 2025 we are playing 720p games just upscaled at 1080p, its RETARDATION!

If they were going to keep the 5080 as a 256-bit card they really should have just waited for the higher density GDDR7.

But guess gives them an excuse to do a 24GB "5080 Super" next year.

 

[AusWolf]

If they were going to keep the 5080 as a 256-bit card they really should have just waited for the higher density GDDR7.

But guess gives them an excuse to do a 24GB "5080 Super" next year.

Not only that... I think none of these cards use fully enabled GPU dies, so I'd 100% expect a Super refresh and fans crying that they don't have the best of the best anymore in a year's time. Basically the Ampere and Ada launches all over again.

 

[mechtech]

I think a lot of the reviews freak people out cause they use max settings that melt cards. They (reviewers) should do a run with base, and medium settings and trial and error test settings to get "optimized" settings in that they get say 80% or or better of ult settings with they best performance.

I remember when Borderlands 3 came out the default settings ravaged my gpu at the time, changed a few settings and it stayed at 60fps and fans didn't even ramp up and could not tell the difference in quality unless you stopped and stared and did side by side comparisons.

As for that, could care less if a 5080 ends up being $10k............................you know the old saying...........
either vote with your wallet or a fool and their money are soon parted.

 

[AusWolf]

I think a lot of the reviews freak people out cause they use max settings that melt cards. They (reviewers) should do a run with base, and medium settings and trial and error test settings to get "optimized" settings in that they get say 80% or or better of ult settings with they best performance.

I remember when Borderlands 3 came out the default settings ravaged my gpu at the time, changed a few settings and it stayed at 60fps and fans didn't even ramp up and could not tell the difference in quality unless you stopped and stared and did side by side comparisons.

As for that, could care less if a 5080 ends up being $10k............................you know the old saying...........
either vote with your wallet or a fool and their money are soon parted.

That's because reviews test cards against each other, and not how well you can run a game with X card. That happens to lead to unrealistic expectations from the general public like "you need at least X card to run games properly" or "X card is so much better than Y card that it's unbelievable because it runs games 5% faster".

 

[tfdsaf]

So according to youtuber Vex the RTX 5080 price is likely going to be over $1500usd or 1800ad. This confirms all of the previous rumors and info and confirms my post.

I can now almost guarantee with 99.99999% certainty that the prices in my OP are all correct and accurate.

The only revision might be the RTX 5090 which is likely to cost even more, likely $3000.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

So according to youtuber Vex the RTX 5080 price is likely going to be over $1500usd or 1800ad. This confirms all of the previous rumors and info and confirms my post.

I can now almost guarantee with 99.99999% certainty that the prices in my OP are all correct and accurate.

The only revision might be the RTX 5090 which is likely to cost even more, likely $3000.

Came to post this, since “curiously “ its not on the front page, unlike all the negative rumors about AMD RDNa4.

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5080 Rumored To Feature A Whopping $1,500+ MSRP, Marking A Huge Difference From The GeForce RTX 4080

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5080 "Blackwell" GPU is rumored to cost a whopping $1,500 MSRP, based on a leaked listing at an Australian retail store.

wccftech.com

 

[freeagent]

Came to post this, since “curiously “ its not on the front page, unlike all the negative rumors about AMD RDNa4.

No one knows how RDNA 4 will run, all we can do is speculate on hardware. Honestly what I have seen lately is guys posting in every Nvidia news thread and trashing it.

And for what? To try to be heard?

No one wants to hear it no matter how loud it is yelled lol.

Performance speaks louder than feelings.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Slow down, it's the holiday season, there is no grand conspiracy to place AMD in a negative light, and certainly not by delaying the posting of bad clickbait articles by a couple of hours.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

No one knows how RDNA 4 will run

Thats what level headed people here are saying, but the green team white knights are making sure to post otherwise.

all we can do is speculate on hardware

We have, except that plenty (at their convenience) are taking these rumors as gospel.

Honestly what I have seen lately is guys posting in every Nvidia news thread and trashing it.

Time to change your green colored glasses.

And for what?

To see the bigger picture?

To try to be heard?

To perhaps stop the negative narrative?

No one wants to hear it no matter how loud it is yelled lol.

Funny how you decided to only respond to that part of my comment yet you yourself has shown to be very biased towards Ngreedia and this post simply reinforce it.

Performance speaks louder than feelings.

When its convenient, of course as stated above.

 

[A Computer Guy]

nothing forces you to run games in native res, the same way we dont have (and watch) all the video content in the same res than moni/tv.

I often run 1080p or 1440p on my 27in 4K. It works fine.

 

[freeagent]

Funny how you decided to only respond to that part of my comment yet you yourself has shown to be very biased towards Ngreedia and this post simply reinforce it.

I use my GPU for more than playing games though.. cant do it with AMD bro, sorry.

I was ATi fo life at one time.

 

[Hecate91]

Came to post this, since “curiously “ its not on the front page, unlike all the negative rumors about AMD RDNa4.

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5080 Rumored To Feature A Whopping $1,500+ MSRP, Marking A Huge Difference From The GeForce RTX 4080

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5080 "Blackwell" GPU is rumored to cost a whopping $1,500 MSRP, based on a leaked listing at an Australian retail store.

wccftech.com

I expect Nvidia told the tech press not to post anything about 5080 prices ever since the 4080 12GB fiasco, the 5080 might be the card in reach for 4090 buyers who insist they need it for games while the 5090 might be over $3000.

No one knows how RDNA 4 will run, all we can do is speculate on hardware. Honestly what I have seen lately is guys posting in every Nvidia news thread and trashing it.

And for what? To try to be heard?

No one wants to hear it no matter how loud it is yelled lol.

Performance speaks louder than feelings.

No one knows how RTX 5000 series will perform either, all we have are clickbait and rumors. Are only positive feelings allowed in Nvidia threads?
But interesting you say that I've been seeing plenty of thread crapping on AMD topics.
It isn't about being heard if we're talking about "leaks" here, I simply expect unbiased reporting on tech in general,maybe consider your own advice regarding feelings.