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nvidia gpu market share takes over 90% in Q4 2024 (Get's closer to full monopoly)

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It depends what you mean by snake oil, IMO the fact that Nvidia sells the 4060 as being an upgrade over the previous gen by using DLSS and frame gen very much is snake oil.

the difference between 3060 and 4060 compared to the difference between 7600 and 6600 is basically the same. And AMD can't even claim DLSS
 
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the difference between 3060 and 4060 compared to the difference between 7600 and 6600 is basically the same. And AMD can't even claim DLSS
The 7600 had a lower launch MSRP than the 6600, and is 11% faster than the 6600 according to TPU. I don't like silly incremental upgrades from any company, but at least AMD lowered prices gen over gen.
AMD can't claim DLSS, which isn't a bad thing as FSR isn't as bad as most reviewers insist it is unless you're stopping to stare at your screen instead of actually playing a game. And I would prefer less driver overhead with a lower end card.
 

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The underdog did it to themselves.

They didn't want to spend on R&D so they got left behind.

And you are surprised?

Maybe this gen they will be back in the game.

AMD users scream from the mountain tops about how great the cards are, yet people still buy what works for them.

Imagine that.
 
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The underdog did it to themselves.

They didn't want to spend on R&D so they got left behind.

And you are surprised?

Maybe this gen they will be back in the game.

AMD users scream from the mountain tops about how great the cards are, yet people still buy what works for them.

Imagine that.
Indeed I read the TPU review of the 4090 and 7900XTX. The gap in price convinced me that the 7-20% did not matter enough to spend on the GPU what the entire PC cost me to build. The kicker was that the 7900XTX was faster in some things that matter to me than the 4090. I also am a fan of AMD software.
 

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Indeed I read the TPU review of the 4090 and 7900XTX. The gap in price convinced me that the 7-20% did not matter enough to spend on the GPU what the entire PC cost me to build. The kicker was that the 7900XTX was faster in some things that matter to me than the 4090. I also am a fan of AMD software.
Indeed, but there are tradeoffs to running both. I have avoided talking about my experience from running NV to going to AMD then back quite quickly. It was a long time ago, but the differences back then were huge. It is off putting.
 
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Indeed, but there are tradeoffs to running both. I have avoided talking about my experience from running NV to going to AMD then back quite quickly. It was a long time ago, but the differences back then were huge. It is off putting.
Of course if you are a content creator or have need of things like CUDA then I get it why Nvidia makes sense. I just don't like the narrative of how bad AMD cards are when the TPU reviews paint a completely different picture.
 

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I didn't say they were bad?

Not once..
 
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Not you. If you read through this thread you will see what I mean.

Threads like this are a guaranteed shit show.

You have people posting with every emotion that they can muster to get their point across.
 
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Indeed I read the TPU review of the 4090 and 7900XTX. The gap in price convinced me that the 7-20% did not matter enough to spend on the GPU what the entire PC cost me to build. The kicker was that the 7900XTX was faster in some things that matter to me than the 4090. I also am a fan of AMD software.
The gap in price to performance is a reason why I decided to switch to an AMD card after always having an Nvidia GPU, spending the premium for features I probably won't use isn't worth it to me.
As weird as that might sound I don't really use or care about any of the exclusive features, I just want to play games at native resolution and have very little concern for RT until it doesn't put a significant impact on performance or force texture quality to worsen in order to have some things look shinier.
I like the AMD control panel UI, however the one mistake AMD made was how long it took them to lower idle power usage with RDNA3, they got so much criticism until it was fixed even though I'd take higher power use over the risk of a melting power connector.
Hopefully UDNA fixes the issues with some drivers. AMD doesn't have the R&D to compete with both Intel and Nvidia while making separate compute and gaming cards.
 
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Nvidia doesn't have 90% market share because people buy snake oil, they have it because they make better gpus and other companies can't match them in hardware or software. Since AMD can't best them at perf all they can do is try to beat them at price/perf ratio and now they also have Intel attacking them at sub $300 tier.

I will buy this argument when you can prove that Nvidia actually makes a better GPU without any collusion. Let me be more specific. For the longest time you didn't see AMD chips in laptops. Was it just a case where all AMD chips sucked when compared to Intel...well, a bit. Poorer energy efficiency, but at the same time much better pricing. The problem is that behind the scenes Intel was playing dirty and basically forcing AMD out of the market.

I view the current AMD/Nvidia situation similarly. AMD focused their brand on value...and thus won the console war. They weren't making the best CPUs, and their GPUs aren't the absolute best, but the market spoke and our consoles are running primarily on AMD. The exception being the ultra budget Nintendo...who decided Tegra and energy efficiency above all else, to meld handheld and console, was what was desired. In the current market I believe that Nvidia dominates not by being the best, but by having the perception that they are absolutely better than AMD...without room for scrutiny.


What I am hoping is that refocusing on the value levels, without the silly race for absolute peak performance, is the start of a lively debate between all three players. Right now Nvidia is primarily sold off of RT...despite most games not having it (by virtue of most games being older than a couple of years). RT is...fine at high GPU performance, but even middle of the road GPUs can't do it and standard raster performance together. Most people own a 3060 level card...which isn't really viable for cranking out ray-tracing. You then get to the $500+ range, and Nvidia is willing to sell you something that will ray-trace. Cool...I can buy an entire console and some games, or one GPU. That said, if you ask a normal person Nvidia "just works." It's their perception after years of being told that Nvidia is better, and not taking it upon themselves to investigate because blowing a few hundred dollars on a curiosity is...stupid.
That said, I believe Nvidia is reaching the tipping point. The point where their ubiquity will be a poison, because their 3060 and 4060 are still nearly at full launch prices (minus scalping), and thus people will try both AMD and Intel because paying $250 for a new card is better than $300 for something already 4+ years old. Consider me a bit selfish here...but I think people will eventually get to the point where entry level hardware at premium pricing will have them trying Intel and AMD, and when they realize that (barring RT) the experience is no longer very different it'll be a no-brainer to buy AMD again, and try Intel.
 
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The underdog did it to themselves.

They didn't want to spend on R&D so they got left behind.

And you are surprised?

Maybe this gen they will be back in the game.

AMD users scream from the mountain tops about how great the cards are, yet people still buy what works for them.

Imagine that.

Not going to deny that AMD largely made their own bed, but don't discount the power of perception. My favorite example is the RX 6600. It was decisively the best price-performance card of its generation, and even beat Nvidia's offerings in efficiency. It hit all the marks people claim to care about (ignoring RT, which was irrelevant at that performance level), in a graphics card. Yet it got almost as much derision as praise (from what I saw) from commenters, and still sold poorly. Momentum is A Thing. Just look at the response to the B580. Reviewers are almost universally, "This is pretty good!" But witness the amount of negativity about it in the comments on this very site. It doesn't live up to some imaginary Nvidia-derived standard, therefore it is crap. Or something. I don't get it.
 

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I know I am interested in what comes out next from them. 4080 performance with RT?

For how much..
 
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Not going to deny that AMD largely made their own bed, but don't discount the power of perception. My favorite example is the RX 6600. It was decisively the best price-performance card of its generation, and even beat Nvidia's offerings in efficiency. It hit all the marks people claim to care about (ignoring RT, which was irrelevant at that performance level), in a graphics card. Yet it got almost as much derision as praise (from what I saw) from commenters, and still sold poorly. Momentum is A Thing. Just look at the response to the B580. Reviewers are almost universally, "This is pretty good!" But witness the amount of negativity about it in the comments on this very site. It doesn't live up to some imaginary Nvidia-derived standard, therefore it is crap. Or something. I don't get it.

RX 6600 has the same MSRP as RTX 3060 (330usd), of course it got a beating from all reviewers at launch. According to Steam Survey the RX 6600 is the most popular Radeon, so it's definitely not sold poorly (in relative to other Radeon GPU).
 
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Not going to deny that AMD largely made their own bed, but don't discount the power of perception. My favorite example is the RX 6600. It was decisively the best price-performance card of its generation, and even beat Nvidia's offerings in efficiency. It hit all the marks people claim to care about (ignoring RT, which was irrelevant at that performance level), in a graphics card. Yet it got almost as much derision as praise (from what I saw) from commenters, and still sold poorly. Momentum is A Thing. Just look at the response to the B580. Reviewers are almost universally, "This is pretty good!" But witness the amount of negativity about it in the comments on this very site. It doesn't live up to some imaginary Nvidia-derived standard, therefore it is crap. Or something. I don't get it.
The 6600 is the top selling card on Newgg.ca.

RX 6600 has the same MSRP as RTX 3060 (330usd), of course it got a beating from all reviewers at launch. According to Steam Survey the RX 6600 is the most popular Radeon, so it's definitely not sold poorly (in relative to other Radeon GPU).
I bought a 6600 for $249 Canadian so.
 

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If the 6600 is the top selling card at newegg.ca, what does that say about us? :kookoo:
 
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I was considering putting on a toque and buying one next year, for testing purposes.
 
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If the 6600 is the top selling card at newegg.ca, what does that say about us? :kookoo:
That as Canadians we put value over everything else.
 

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I was considering putting on a toque and buying one next year, for testing purposes.
I walk around with Remington snow pants and a snowmobile jacket with my pyjamas underneath lol :D

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And my Toque of course :)
 
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That as Canadians we put value over everything else.
It is true though. Any well priced PC part would be picked up so fast. CPUs like the 3300X were hard to find and when the 7900X3D was on sale for a ridiculous $343 Canadian it was gone by lunch time.

I walk around with Remington snow pants and a snowmobile jacket with my pyjamas underneath lol :D
I have been wearing my Snow pants outside since the beginning of December. I have not pulled out the Boots yet though. You know the Winter Boots that you regret having to strap up before you go out.
 

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Any well priced PC part would be picked up so fast
I scooped a new Strix XE for 225 CAD, pretty good deal since the one I killed was over 400 lol.. not the newest tech, but that's ok.

. I have not pulled out the Boots yet though. You know the Winter Boots that you regret having to strap up before you go out.
Me neither, they are still at the bottom of the stairs, out of the way.. still sporting my Nikes under all that winter gear lol :D
 
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I scooped a new Strix XE for 225 CAD, pretty good deal since the one I killed was over 400 lol.. not the newest tech, but that's ok.


Me neither, they are still at the bottom of the stairs, out of the way.. still sporting my Nikes under all that winter gear lol :D
You are the only one. I killed mine too (Years ago) but found a replacement as well on the cheap. Now it is the MB in my Daughter's PC. That is one board of an example when they try.
 
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RX 6600 has the same MSRP as RTX 3060 (330usd), of course it got a beating from all reviewers at launch. According to Steam Survey the RX 6600 is the most popular Radeon, so it's definitely not sold poorly (in relative to other Radeon GPU).
Not talking about reviewers' opinions, and MSRP was a fantasy when the 6600 launched (see clip from TPU launch review below). For the majority of the 6600's existence, the 3060 has sold for at least $100 more. It's nearly that even now. That's a nearly 50% premium for less than 10% performance.

I should have specified that I meant "poorly" relative to the Nvidia equivalent. But as you say, that applies to AMD's entire stack.

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Oh, and "beating from all reviewers"? Hardly:

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Not talking about reviewers' opinions, and MSRP was a fantasy when the 6600 launched (see clip from TPU launch review below). For the majority of the 6600's existence, the 3060 has sold for at least $100 more. It's nearly that even now. That's a nearly 50% premium for less than 10% performance.

I should have specified that I meant "poorly" relative to the Nvidia equivalent. But as you say, that applies to AMD's entire stack.

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Oh, and "beating from all reviewers"? Hardly:

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Prices vary by regions, so the only metric to go by is MSRP.
BTW AMD did nothing to stop miners from gobble up all their GPUs, whereas Nvidia at least tried with the LHR version LOL. During the mining craze RTX 3000 was actually cheaper and more available where I live.

By the end of the mining craze the RTX 3000 was in the hands of more gamers, who have experience with DLSS+RT and decided that those features are actually worth the premium over Radeon counterpart, or as you guys called it mindshare.
 
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Prices vary by regions, so the only metric to go by is MSRP.
BTW AMD did nothing to stop miners from gobble up all their GPUs, whereas Nvidia at least tried with the LHR version LOL. During the mining craze RTX 3000 was actually cheaper and more available where I live.

By the end of the mining craze the RTX 3000 was in the hands of more gamers, who have experience with DLSS+RT and decided that those features are actually worth the premium over Radeon counterpart, or as you guys called it mindshare.

I want to live wherever it is you live. In my reality:
Class action against Nvidia for misleading about Crypto mining dependency

You'll note that the LHR stuff came about because Nvidia lied about their dependency on crypto mining. AMD had no qualms being truthful that their GPUs were being gobbled up by miners, and simply kept pumping out as many as they could to what was once a basically bottomless market. Modern Nvidia has the exact same MO...but replace "crypto" with "LLM." It lied, enjoyed enormous profits, segregated its own product stack to charge more for "mining" hardware, and expected people to be satisfied when 80% still went to miners because the margins we so much higher.

Regarding the increased availability of Nvidia hardware...yeah. They really did saturate the market with 3060s. Most AMD hardware was sweatshopped to death mining, so even now the 580s and 3060s are selling at unreasonably high prices. That's less about being better, and more about being cheap enough that even when being gouged people could afford it. That was functionally impossible with $2000 3080s...so what you've proven is there's a finite supply of money.
 
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