9070 or 7800

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes, I try to make good recommendations to people instead of what they might want to hear or what the echo chamber says.

Plenty of people on this forum happily recommended cards like the 7900XT or the Zen 2 CPUs over faster 10th gen, just because AMD.

People who purchased a Zen 2 cpu would have been significantly better off now than someone who purchased a 10th generation cpu they also weren't far enough apart that it mattered with how the majority of people actually game. I owned both my 10th gen system's is retired but my zen 2 based system is still going strong and was the substantially better investment.

7900XT came down to it or the 4070ti 12GB both cards weren't very good in my book but it really came down to how people game and DLSS/RT vs the extra vram. I don't think buying either especially at launch was a good investment but people are going to recommend based on their biases and use cases not everyone's is the same.

 

[AusWolf]

Yes because of the integration of RT into the game engines, we know
Move on... We are talking about RDNA4 here too.
What if the RDNA4 has enhanced RT? What if FSR4 is much better than previous?

You didn't even seen it and dismissed already because of the past. Its called "bias against/in favor of"
Nice try

RDNA4 could be as "bad" as the past. I am sure there are many waiting in the corner to point out ASAP the slightest hiccup.
But lets see it first...

Let's also not forget that we're talking about a few percent difference which you don't feel in a live game, and in average values. There's no such game as "average".

 

[Ahhzz]

Stick to the topical question, please.

 

[Toothless]

Wait for reviews.

 

[Kapone33]

GPU Test System Update for 2025

I think what's missing is Need For Speed Unbound, DiRT Rally 2.0 and EA Sports WRC.

www.techpowerup.com

I'll refer you all to this thread where there's interesting discussion and links going on regarding how each month AMD cards get slower vs their competition from both Intel and NVIDIA, due to newer games being tested, and those vendors offering much more modern hardware. Then you guys are welcome to go back to recommending AMD cards. Just so OP and other readers are informed.

FWIW myself and others have predicted this for years.

Be happy paying through the nose for your RT focused experience (but you are in the industry so don't suffer like us consumers). In the real World the percentage of Games that support RT will increase in Games that are part of the narrative and as a result made on Console as well............The Future is where? Examples like CP2077 or Quake?

The next time I see Rogue Trader or TWWH or even AMS2 improve because of RT I might but the test system is not an example of the average Steam library. Do you remember when you used TW benchmarks and the Community reminded you that only Super large Battles in Real time are what makes GPU difference in that Game?

Now Intel is faster than AMD in CPU gaming?

What modern hardware are you talking about exactly?

 

[eidairaman1]

Yes because of the integration of RT into the game engines, we know
Move on... We are talking about RDNA4 here too.
What if the RDNA4 has enhanced RT? What if FSR4 is much better than previous?

You didn't even seen it and dismissed already because of the past. Its called "bias against/in favor of"
Nice try

RDNA4 could be as "bad" as the past. I am sure there are many waiting in the corner to point out ASAP the slightest hiccup.
But lets see it first...

He can go take a hike

 

[N3utro]

Next gen cards always have better price / performance ratio than previous generations

 

[Toothless]

Next gen cards always have better price / performance ratio than previous generations

Doesn't mean they're worth being that expensive.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Next gen cards always have better price / performance ratio than previous generations

4080 says hello... 50% more performance at launch for 71% mo money.... vs the 3080....

 

[Macro Device]

4080 say hello... 50% more performance at launch for 71% mo money.... vs the 3080....

Now it's like 55% more performance for 150+ % more money (at least where I live 3080s go for $350ish, closer to $400, and the cheapest aftermarket 4080 goes for 950ish. You can imagine the difference if we talk BNIB 4080s (we recently had a 15% currency devaluation which didn't help the sitch one bit)).


100 RUB = 1 USD.

Considering current state of affairs I'm hard pressed to imagine a lot of Russians even thinking of 9070 XTs. Most people will just go for used Ampere/RDNA2/3 GPUs. 9070 XT (if it's barely parring 4080 in perf) should be sold for no more than 460 USD MSRP (which translates to 570+ USD retail price as we have VAT already included, unlike the US) to sell here.

 

[Zach_01]

Now it's like 55% more performance for 150+ % more money (at least where I live 3080s go for $350ish, closer to $400, and the cheapest aftermarket 4080 goes for 950ish. You can imagine the difference if we talk BNIB 4080s (we recently had a 15% currency devaluation which didn't help the sitch one bit)).

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100 RUB = 1 USD.

Considering current state of affairs I'm hard pressed to imagine a lot of Russians even thinking of 9070 XTs. Most people will just go for used Ampere/RDNA2/3 GPUs. 9070 XT (if it's barely parring 4080 in perf) should be sold for no more than 460 USD MSRP (which translates to 570+ USD retail price as we have VAT already included, unlike the US) to sell here.

So if the 9070XT is close to a 4080 it should be priced at 60% of the latter.
That sounds fair...
Its selling a new GPU like a used one.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Now it's like 55% more performance for 150+ % more money (at least where I live 3080s go for $350ish, closer to $400, and the cheapest aftermarket 4080 goes for 950ish. You can imagine the difference if we talk BNIB 4080s (we recently had a 15% currency devaluation which didn't help the sitch one bit)).

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100 RUB = 1 USD.

Considering current state of affairs I'm hard pressed to imagine a lot of Russians even thinking of 9070 XTs. Most people will just go for used Ampere/RDNA2/3 GPUs. 9070 XT (if it's barely parring 4080 in perf) should be sold for no more than 460 USD MSRP (which translates to 570+ USD retail price as we have VAT already included, unlike the US) to sell here.

Launch msrp is probably the most fair metric to go by with what the outgoing card cost new when it's replaced being the 2nd best metric.

 

[eidairaman1]

So if the 9070XT is close to a 4080 it should be priced at 60% of the latter.
That sounds fair...
Its selling a new GPU like a used one.

At that point why bother with a used gpu when an untouched bnib unit can be had

 

[oxrufiioxo]

So if the 9070XT is close to a 4080 it should be priced at 60% of the latter.
That sounds fair...
Its selling a new GPU like a used one.

I'd be surprised if it even beats the 4070ti super but I guess we will see in a couple weeks...

But sure it its basically a 4080 in all regards give or take 5% 600 would be fantastic but let's be real the 5070ti will probably be ball park 4080 at 799... so amd will price it at 699-750 and call it a good deal until nobody but the die hard amd fan club buy it.

 

[Macro Device]

So if the 9070XT is close to a 4080 it should be priced at 60% of the latter.
That sounds fair...
Its selling a new GPU like a used one.

The thing is, AMD ain't a popular choice. You need to pound on the door to open it. Which means 'least a 40ish percent discount for starters. Dudes will buy 25% worse for 55% cheaper (RTX 3080 Ti / 6900 XT) otherwise.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The thing is, AMD ain't a popular choice. You need to pound on the door to open it. Which means 'least a 40ish percent discount for starters. Dudes will buy 25% worse for 55% cheaper (RTX 3080 Ti / 6900 XT) otherwise.

Not sure that will even matter when the 4870 launched and was amazing at $299 people still bought Nvidia instead.... I doubt in the current market with silicon costs amd could even do that again. That would be like releasing something 10-15% slower than a 4080 for $550 about 2 weeks after it launched lol instead we got the 7900XT for 900 usd lmao....

If memory serves me correctly.... I was barely getting into pc gaming at that time seriously anyways.

Anyways OP already got good advise wait for the 9070 and possibly the 5070 to be reviewed then make a choice.

 

[eidairaman1]

But he never asked about the 5070, he asked about the 9070 and the 7800XT

 

[oxrufiioxo]

But he never asked about the 5070, he asked about the 9070 and the 7800XT

Yes but we all know AMD they will price it stupidly and then drop it like a rock when the 5070 comes out it's likely Nvidia competitor....

 

[Dr. Dro]

Ultimately it all boils down to wait. It is not the best time to buy a new GPU right now, unless you get a RTX 4090 for like $1000 or so.

Wait to see what AMD is cooking.
Wait to see what Intel is cooking.
Wait to see NVIDIA's lower end offerings and how they will stack up against AMD's and Intel's. The world is not made of RTX 5090s, after all.
Wait to see how the market will react.

All of this will unfold in the next few weeks. By the end of January all should be able to make an informed purchasing decision. If AMD's offerings flop or the prices turn out to be high, the prices on used Radeons will probably not budge much, at this point, anyone still buying Radeon does so simply because they refuse to use anything else. If there is positive reception to the 9070 and prices are low, you will probably find a deal from someone upgrading.

Despite the fanfare from the flagship, you will probably have the 5070 and 5060 series out by March, and Intel will surely release or at least drop major hints on the Arc B770 until then. If you can wait, by all means, do so. If you cannot wait, buy yourself a 7800 XT or 7900 GRE and move on.

 

[iameatingjam]

Yeah the b580 aint a bad proposition if you need a cheap card now for 1440p. On your original question though.... we don't know... we don't know how perfomant it will be. Some rumours lead to me believe its not going to a major leap forward or anything so at that point it just comes down to price. And then we gotta ask... is AMD gonna do the thing where they start with a high price they drop it afterwards? I was kinda hoping they were going for a new strategy but with this name change I'm... not so sure.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Not sure that will even matter when the 4870 launched and was amazing at $299 people still bought Nvidia instead....

Using the "muh nvidia buyers" argument for Evergreen, the one time AMD got within 1% of being majority market leader, isnt the sound argument you think it is. At that time, AMD's drivers were complete HORSESHAT, thee 2 through 4000s specifically were horribly unstable throughout their life, while nvidia was rock solid, especially if you had any dual GPU aspirations. Remember, this is years before the claims that AMD cards were "less smooth" were proven via nvidia's FCAT testing, which showed single AMD cards having worse frametime then Nvidia SLI solutions. Despite that, AMD would push over 40% marketshare, hitting 49% at their peak with the HD 5000s.

It showed that, with a competitive GPU, AMD sells well, despite claims of "ngreedia mindshare". Every AMD generation since 2012 has had a * or three behind being "competitive", and that has taken its toll.

So if the 9070XT is close to a 4080 it should be priced at 60% of the latter.
That sounds fair...
Its selling a new GPU like a used one.

It wont be. 2.5% more memory bandwidth then a 7800xt? You think THAT is going to surpass the 7900xtx and consistently sit at 4080 level?

Yeah nah. Safe bet is 7900 GRE performance at best. At that performance, Anything over $450 would be economic kamikaze.

 

[dgianstefani]

Be happy paying through the nose for your RT focused experience (but you are in the industry so don't suffer like us consumers). In the real World the percentage of Games that support RT will increase in Games that are part of the narrative and as a result made on Console as well............The Future is where? Examples like CP2077 or Quake?

The next time I see Rogue Trader or TWWH or even AMS2 improve because of RT I might but the test system is not an example of the average Steam library. Do you remember when you used TW benchmarks and the Community reminded you that only Super large Battles in Real time are what makes GPU difference in that Game?

Now Intel is faster than AMD in CPU gaming?

What modern hardware are you talking about exactly?

If you care to read, 10th gen is still over 10% faster than Zen 2.

"narrative" aside, in reality the 4070 Ti vs 7900XT situation, on launch 7900 XT was faster in raster, 4070 Ti in RT. Now they're equal in raster and 4070 Ti is 25% faster in RT. So much for fine wine, AMD being better value, or games needing more VRAM as time goes on.

PS5 Pro another example of Sony doing what they can despite AMD, focusing hard on RT hardware and even making their own upscaler due to the state of FSR. Consoles drive gaming so you can expect PS6/next gen Xbox/ NVIDIA Switch with DLSS to keep doing that.

 

[eidairaman1]

The op hasn't responded at all so might as well see if he returns

 

[Zazigalka]

GPU Test System Update for 2025

I think what's missing is Need For Speed Unbound, DiRT Rally 2.0 and EA Sports WRC.

www.techpowerup.com

I'll refer you all to this thread where there's interesting discussion and links going on regarding how each month AMD cards get slower vs their competition from both Intel and NVIDIA, due to newer games being tested, and those vendors offering much more modern hardware. Then you guys are welcome to go back to recommending AMD cards. Just so OP and other readers are informed.

FWIW myself and others have predicted this for years.

that's not what I've seen, compare 7800xt launch results (right) vs 7800xt retested in December this year (left), it actually got even slightly faster compared to 4070. Not to say that there aren't reasons to pick the 4070, but I'm not really seeing amd perforance numbers deteriorate. Look at 7900xt vs 4070Ti, it's the same 10% difference with RT off.

 

[Sir Beregond]

Next gen cards always have better price / performance ratio than previous generations

That's definitely not true. Wasn't true with Turing. Wasn't true with many 40-series cards. $1200 4080 comes to mind.

As to the OP's original question, it depends. Whatever raster performance the RDNA4 card is going to have already exists. As for RT, I'm sure it will be improved, but the question is how much. The next question will be if AMD prices it in a way that improves the performance per dollar spent. If they don't, then it's a what for and you should just buy something now.