NVIDIA Introduces DLSS 4 with Multi-Frame Generation for up to 8X Framerate Uplifts

[Bagerklestyne]

That's just flat out wrong though. Have you seen image restoration for example?

Spoiler

image restoration - Google Search

4k at 32", definitely needs AA.

Thing is, that's taken the sub optimal time degraded image and restored it.

If you took a picture of the same subject today with a quality modern camera at the same detail level (pretend for arguments sake the original was 6000x4000 pixels - so a camera that uses the same resolution) then you couldn't improve upon the picture taken without interpolation, which is not the original image then.

Image restoration is recreation of the best picture, or returning it to as close to the original as you can, which is exactly what frame generation/upscaling does, tries to get as close to the original as it can.

The difference with image restoration is that the original image when first created (so at it's best) might not be as good as what could be produced today.

Mathematically speaking though, if it was digital and the file wasn't corrupted, you couldn't restore it to be better without interpolating data.

 

[londiste]

Depending on the game 4K does smooth edges on is own without any AA needed so that's already not true that is necessary always.

No, resolution has absolutely nothing to do with edge aliasing.
Like I said before, your perception of aliasing might, but that is a different topic. And not a thing with normal monitor pixel densities.

Rtx is not necessary always because is just like Physx used to be a thing in the past.

Physx is a whole different topic. And it did not go away because the idea was bad but primarily because CPUs got more and more cores and physics engines that could be well enough parallelized got much more performance to play with. Nvidia hobbled Physx for a while so that the version of it running on CPUs was single threaded but in the end gave up and made it work properly. Physx itself did not go away, the forced-to-run-on-GPU variant did.

PhysX SDK

Get high performance and accuracy to industrial simulation use cases for different devices.

developer.nvidia.com

PhysX - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Blueberries]

The 2000 ask is not for gamers. It's for pros. The 1000 ask is for the inbetween. The below are for gamers. People need to get that through their skulls and fast. There is a reason AMD is not competing with those because those are not gaming cards. The companies are telling us this. Yet PC gamers refuse to accept what the specs, the price, and the companies themselves keep saying. Because they are spoiled fucking shits.

That's just objectively false. Anything "RTX" is a gaming card and will not work with professional drivers.

 

[londiste]

That's just objectively false. Anything "RTX" is a gaming card and will not work with professional drivers.

Drivers Comparison

Drivers Comparison

www.nvidia.com

 

[Blueberries]

Drivers Comparison

Drivers Comparison

www.nvidia.com

My mistake then, that must have changed in recent years.

That's not to say the RTX 5090 is not marketed as a gaming card though.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

My mistake then, that must have changed in recent years.

That's not to say the RTX 5090 is not marketed as a gaming card though.

It's marketed as a prosumer card. CUDA does not need drivers. Quadro drivers are only for CAD CAM. You're either a liar or a fucking idiot. 5090 is a prosumer card. Hell even 5080 straddles that line. Bellow that are the gaming cards. Get a clue.

Hint CUDA is a toolkit. Usually ran on linux. https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads that right there is the justification for the 5090. You might have missed it. That was the justification for the 8800 GTX. It's only got more extreme since Titan. That's why GPUs get banned to China. Not because 5090s will let their gold farmers in WoW out gold farm our gold farmers.

Rasterization is dead. You're buying an AI product and it's fakery. Make no mistake about it.

 

[Whitestar]

The 2000 ask is not for gamers. It's for pros.

I present to you the Nvidia 5090 page, tadaaaa! GeForce RTX 5090 Graphics Cards | NVIDIA
It's the fastest gaming card ever. It's marketed towards gamers. Please explain how it's not a gaming card other than "The companies are telling us this".

It's marketed as a prosumer card. You're either a liar or a fucking idiot.

Again, in what way would you say they are not trying to attract gamers with that page? Good luck!

Oh and that last part; I have a feeling you'd better apologize or delete it.

 

[igormp]

Nothing looks better than native, can look as close to native as possible, can't look better. Can't. It's interpreted math. That's not progress (getting closer is.) That's like saying AI upscaling a picture makes it look better at the same resolution.

I agree with your word, but disagree with what you meant. Reminder that the only actual "native" thing for us would be you actually seeing something with your own eyes.
Renders are just some math that try to approximate what we have in the real world. Our current approximations for games (in raw raster) is reasonable, but far from good given the real time constraints. We can achieve better quality with longer renders that do more math, and more precise math (that are still far from real life, but improving), but that'd be useless for games given the speed.

Upscaling with machine learning is nothing more than another different way to try to do this approximation in a non-deterministic way.

Thing is, that's taken the sub optimal time degraded image and restored it.

If you took a picture of the same subject today with a quality modern camera at the same detail level (pretend for arguments sake the original was 6000x4000 pixels - so a camera that uses the same resolution) then you couldn't improve upon the picture taken without interpolation, which is not the original image then.

Any representation that's not the real thing is a sub-optimal representation still. Even a modern camera at 6000x4000, even though it's considered good nowadays, still can't capture all details present.
That same 6000x4000 in some years will also look like a graded image that we will find ways to improve with future tech.

That's just objectively false. Anything "RTX" is a gaming card and will not work with professional drivers.

Their professional lineup is also called "RTX", without the geforce branding since they dropped the "Quadro/Tesla" monikers:

NVIDIA RTX 6000 Ada Generation Graphics Card

Powered by the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace Architecture.

www.nvidia.com

It's marketed as a prosumer card. CUDA does not need drivers. Quadro drivers are only for CAD CAM. You're either a liar or a fucking idiot. 5090 is a prosumer card. Hell even 5080 straddles that line. Bellow that are the gaming cards. Get a clue.

Hint CUDA is a toolkit. Usually ran on linux. https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads that right there is the justification for the 5090. You might have missed it. That was the justification for the 8800 GTX. It's only got more extreme since Titan. That's why GPUs get banned to China. Not because 5090s will let their gold farmers in WoW out gold farm our gold farmers.

Rasterization is dead. You're buying an AI product and it's fakery. Make no mistake about it.

FWIW CUDA does need drivers. And on linux it's a single driver for all product lines, be it quadro, tesla or geforce (only the tegra ones get a different driver).

 

[mechtech]

"NVIDIA Introduces DLSS 4 with Multi-Frame Generation for up to 8X Framerate Uplifts"

If they make a 5040 does that mean it will get 3080 performance??

 

[Dawora]

I'd bet these people saying they dont like "fake frames" wouldn't be able to tell which is the AI generated frames gameplay vs non AI generated at the same framerate in a blind test. Probably would say the AI generated gameplay would even look better than the original one at the same framerate.

ppls say because they use AMD and Nvidia is now Rank#1 in FG/Upscaling
So they dont like FG or DLSS because AMD clearly is 2# now

If Amd is better than Nvidia in FG/upscaling Amd fans will love it.

 

[Krit]

A little bit closer to the truth!

I was right about the 5090. It’s BAD​

 

[kapone32]

ppls say because they use AMD and Nvidia is now Rank#1 in FG/Upscaling
So they dont like FG or DLSS because AMD clearly is 2# now

If Amd is better than Nvidia in FG/upscaling Amd fans will love it.

We don't need it. Buy the card that fits your resolution.

 

[mouacyk]

Do I want smoother past frames or do I want future frames to arrive faster? I want both, but I prefer the latter over the former. Leather jacket is primarily selling the former this generation, in the disguise of both.

 

[londiste]

A little bit closer to the truth!

I was right about the 5090. It’s BAD​

tl;dw?
I would be quite surprised if he would find 5090 was good.