New rtx 5070

[AusWolf]

Do not buy LGA 1700 unless you can get a 13900/14900K(S) for cheap. It's a dead end platform, you should buy either Ryzen 7000/9000 series processor or if sticking to Intel, the new Core Ultra processor on LGA 1851 instead (Core Ultra 7 265K or 9 285K). They are the current generation "15th Gen" processor.

If you are going to play Flight Simulator, you will probably want to buy a Ryzen 7 9800X3D (currently hard to get, don't overpay for it) or 7800X3D processor. It reacts massively to AMD's 3D cache technology. 7800X3D is probably the wisest pick of the bunch right now.

Why is everything that's not the latest and greatest suddenly a "dead end" platform? Just because no new CPUs are being made for a socket, it doesn't mean one can't be happy with the performance they're getting.

Other than that, I agree, the 7800 or 9800X3D are the best choice for gaming right now.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

It has high RAM and bandwidth requirements because it basically streams world data in real time from the Microsoft cloud. It can use even more memory and more bandwidth than this. 8C X3D still heavily preferred for this sim, afaik the extra cores aren't necessary. Chips like 7900X3D or upcoming 9900X3D with 6+63D topology are not gonna measure up (AMD should really just have discontinued this)

Yes in the spirit of this thread but CPUs are using for much more tasks than playing of the m$ flight simulator.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Why is everything that's not the latest and greatest suddenly a "dead end" platform? Just because no new CPUs are being made for a socket, it doesn't mean one can't be happy with the performance they're getting.

Other than that, I agree, the 7800 or 9800X3D are the best choice for gaming right now.

I mean, because it is, your upgrade potential over time is a net zero. If you are spending on a motherboard, ensuring you get some extra mileage out of it is not a bad idea

 

[AusWolf]

I mean, because it is, your upgrade potential over time is a net zero. If you are spending on a motherboard, ensuring you get some extra mileage out of it is not a bad idea

I get where you're coming from, but I'd say it's not as important as people think.

For example, if you bought an LGA-1700 platform with Alder Lake, the fastest CPU you could upgrade to is a Raptor Lake refresh, which isn't a massive jump, not really worth spending money on, imo.
On the other hand, if you buy Raptor Lake refresh now, you can probably skip LGA-1851 altogether, and just upgrade your platform to whatever comes next.

The picture is slightly different on AMD - if you bought a Ryzen 1000 or 2000, then a 5700X3D or 5950X is a massive jump.
Although, I'm not sure if AM5 is gonna end up being as future-proof as AM4 was. There are speculations of Zen 6 being the last generation of CPUs on it.

 

[Ruru]

For example, if you bought an LGA-1700 platform with Alder Lake, the fastest CPU you could upgrade to is a Raptor Lake refresh, which isn't a massive jump, not really worth spending money on, imo.
On the other hand, if you buy Raptor Lake refresh now, you can probably skip LGA-1851 altogether, and just upgrade your platform to whatever comes next.

I just wouldn't get a Raptor myself since even after all those fixes, the processors are still more or less faulty by design

For reliability, 12900K(S) is the wisest CPU on that platform in my opinion.

 

[AusWolf]

I just wouldn't get a Raptor myself since even after all those fixes, the processors are still more or less faulty by design

For reliability, 12900K(S) is the wisest CPU on that platform in my opinion.

I agree, but that's a different matter altogether.

 

[Macro Device]

@Dr. Dro, CPUs are more stagnant than GPUs. One could buy an i7-8700K seven years ago and still be fine in most games today. Sure, AM4 X3D CPUs are a much better fit for gaming than anything LGA1151 but both options are being outclassed by semi-basic solutions of today, namely Ryzen 9600 and i5-14400. And these aren't significantly more expensive.

So instead of wondering if your mobo will allow you enough juice a decade later you can just enjoy the best bang per buck for today and when it's not enough bang just sell your old platform altogether and get something fresh, also receiving not yet existing features such as possible USB 5.0, Thunderbolt Extreme, DP 2.2 on integrated graphics or whatever.

Can you tell 12900K and 14900K apart in gaming? In almost all games, without proper FPS counter, I really doubt that. Same goes to 9800X3D VS 7800X3D. Sure, the former is better but do you really notice the difference without Fraps showing you the exact number? Not really, at least not always.

AM4 was and still is a statistical outlier. AMD are no charity, they will never do it again, unless they go semi-bankrupt again. With Intel helping out by screwing up majorly I don't see a reason for upcoming AM5 CPUs to utterly destroy whatever we got on the market already. Not likely to happen.

I'd still recommend going for a 9800X3D but not because of platform longevity but because there's nothing better for flying simulators period.

 

[Ruru]

@Dr. Dro, CPUs are more stagnant than GPUs. One could buy an i7-8700K seven years ago and still be fine in most games today. Sure, AM4 X3D CPUs are a much better fit for gaming than anything LGA1151 but both options are being outclassed by semi-basic solutions of today, namely Ryzen 9600 and i5-14400. And these aren't significantly more expensive.

So instead of wondering if your mobo will allow you enough juice a decade later you can just enjoy the best bang per buck for today and when it's not enough bang just sell your old platform altogether and get something fresh, also receiving not yet existing features such as possible USB 5.0, Thunderbolt Extreme, DP 2.2 on integrated graphics or whatever.

Can you tell 12900K and 14900K apart in gaming? In almost all games, without proper FPS counter, I really doubt that. Same goes to 9800X3D VS 7800X3D. Sure, the former is better but do you really notice the difference without Fraps showing you the exact number? Not really, at least not always.

AM4 was and still is a statistical outlier. AMD are no charity, they will never do it again, unless they go semi-bankrupt again. With Intel helping out by screwing up majorly I don't see a reason for upcoming AM5 CPUs to utterly destroy whatever we got on the market already. Not likely to happen.

I'd still recommend going for a 9800X3D but not because of platform longevity but because there's nothing better for flying simulators period.

Depends of the resolution as well. With 4K, my 5800X doesn't need to shame (at least much) next to modern fast CPUs.

 

[Sacwarrior]

Do not buy LGA 1700 unless you can get a 13900/14900K(S) for cheap. It's a dead end platform, you should buy either Ryzen 7000/9000 series processor or if sticking to Intel, the new Core Ultra processor on LGA 1851 instead (Core Ultra 7 265K or 9 285K). They are the current generation "15th Gen" processor.

If you are going to play Flight Simulator, you will probably want to buy a Ryzen 7 9800X3D (currently hard to get, don't overpay for it) or 7800X3D processor. It reacts massively to AMD's 3D cache technology. 7800X3D is probably the wisest pick of the bunch right now.

Thank you