upgrade rtx 4090 for an Rtx 5080

[Zyll Goliat]

Do not fall for marketing shenanigans only 5090 is going to be faster in raster/raw performance then yours 4090 and probably something like 30%-35% now 5080 is most likely going to be somewhere near of the 4090 performance maybe even a bit bellow in full raster.....Seriously only if you really care for a bit better RT and latest frame-gen well then you might go for 5080....

 

[maxfly]

not knowing something doesn't not make someone unintelligent,

i had amd gpu in the past, hd 7950 and rx 290x,

i almost picked the rtx 7900 xtx over the 4090, and for my old 3080, i almost picked an 6800xt but the 6800 xt was out of stock

Ignore the nonsense. Your question was perfectly valid. The hoopla isn't necessarily directed at you. Unfortunately our forum members grow bored of the usual fare around here and turn valid questions into, "How many times can we say the same thing somewhat differently?" fests. It's entertaining to some but mostly boring, just take it for what it is.

 

[Bomby569]

Do not fall for marketing shenanigans only 5090 is going to be faster in raster/raw performance then yours 4090 and probably something like 30%-35% now 5080 is most likely going to be somewhere near of the 4090 performance maybe even a bit bellow in full raster.....Seriously only if you really care for a bit better RT and latest frame-gen well then you might go for 5080....

 

[Zyll Goliat]

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Yes I am also an expert in reading and interpreting the stains residual coffee grounds ......

 

[Veseleil]

Ignore the nonsense. Your question was perfectly valid. The hoopla isn't necessarily directed at you. Unfortunately our forum members grow bored of the usual fare around here and turn valid questions into, "How many times can we say the same thing somewhat differently?" fests. It's entertaining to some but mostly boring, just take it for what it is.

And your point is?
People stated the only upgrade from 4090 is the 5090, and going for 5080 might be a sidegrade at best, which again people highly doubt just looking at the hardware specs that show the 5080 is not the xx90 tier card at all. Even if it's from the previous gen.
Have you offered anything useful to the OP yourself? The best advice is keep your 4090 man, and the OP accepted that, what else to say about it? The only nonsense is believing the NV marketing which is quite misleading.
There you go white knight, I hope it's clear enough for you now. And calling out people for making a little fun while answering to the OP... Please grow up.

 

[pf100]

Why would you willingly go from 24gb vram to 16gb when you already have 24gb and the 5080 might be slower? If you want x4 frame gen you can have that with the 4090 now with lossless scaling for $7. I'm guessing in Hogwarts Legacy and Jedi Survivor, etc, you'll be running out of vram with a 5080 with settings maxxed out since I've used 20gb vram on both of those games and it's easy to demonstrate; just crank all the settings up and play for at least 30 minutes and you'll be using over 16gb vram. Games are going to use more and more vram every year.

 

[freeagent]

I would wait for reviews.. your 4090 might be a better investment than you think..

 

[Scattergrunt]

I would wait for reviews.. your 4090 might be a better investment than you think..

Yea honestly, the 1080Ti aged like fine wine, the 2080Ti also aged great (despite its huge price jump), 3090 aged fairly well. 4090 will definitely age well, same with the 4080S. I don't think they will have as much staying power as the 1080Ti but they will certainly last imo

 

[maxfly]

And your point is?
People stated the only upgrade from 4090 is the 5090, and going for 5080 might be a sidegrade at best, which again people highly doubt just looking at the hardware specs that show the 5080 is not the xx90 tier card at all. Even if it's from the previous gen.
Have you offered anything useful to the OP yourself? The best advice is keep your 4090 man, and the OP accepted that, what else to say about it? The only nonsense is believing the NV marketing which is quite misleading.
There you go white knight, I hope it's clear enough for you now. And calling out people for making a little fun while answering to the OP... Please grow up.

You no speakum de engrish? My post wasn't concise enough for you? Ah, I should type a little slooower for ya maybe? Pfft

Thanks for regurgitating the regurgitated, oh mighty wise one hahaha.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[tfdsaf]

At this point Nvidia is basically openly scamming people! You can not advertise it like that and mislead people so arrogantly and brazenly. Where are the consumer protection agencies?

He is essentially comparing a 5070 with DLSS4 which has the latest dlss plus frame generation x4 running vs a 4090 running older DLSS. Its comparing apples and toasters, its two very different things.

The 5070 is likely going to be around 4070ti super performance for $650, yeah I know the msrp is $550, but there is going to be only 1 model at msrp from partners and they are never going to be in stock, so realistically we are looking at $650 pricing for 4070ti super performance.

 

[Dr. Dro]

At this point Nvidia is basically openly scamming people! You can not advertise it like that and mislead people so arrogantly and brazenly. Where are the consumer protection agencies?

He is essentially comparing a 5070 with DLSS4 which has the latest dlss plus frame generation x4 running vs a 4090 running older DLSS. Its comparing apples and toasters, its two very different things.

The 5070 is likely going to be around 4070ti super performance for $650, yeah I know the msrp is $550, but there is going to be only 1 model at msrp from partners and they are never going to be in stock, so realistically we are looking at $650 pricing for 4070ti super performance.

It's just standard marketing embellishment. It's technically not a lie, it's just very conditional. That's why it is always important to read the fine print. But you know why do they get away with this? Because the competition lets them get away with it. Asking people to buy a Radeon because of morals? You're basically just shooting yourself in the foot, spending your hard earned money on an inferior product to nurture the lesser evil. That is not a win for consumers.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

At this point Nvidia is basically openly scamming people! You can not advertise it like that and mislead people so arrogantly and brazenly. Where are the consumer protection agencies?

He is essentially comparing a 5070 with DLSS4 which has the latest dlss plus frame generation x4 running vs a 4090 running older DLSS. Its comparing apples and toasters, its two very different things.

The 5070 is likely going to be around 4070ti super performance for $650, yeah I know the msrp is $550, but there is going to be only 1 model at msrp from partners and they are never going to be in stock, so realistically we are looking at $650 pricing for 4070ti super performance.

It's not just Nvidia.......We live in a world of LIES and it's getting worse it's almost like that false advertising and trickery become normal thing honestly I am getting surprised when someone is telling the truth and if they do I immediately start to question myself saying: "Where is the catch?"

 

[tfdsaf]

It's just standard marketing embellishment. It's technically not a lie, it's just very conditional. That's why it is always important to read the fine print. But you know why do they get away with this? Because the competition lets them get away with it. Asking people to buy a Radeon because of morals? You're basically just shooting yourself in the foot, spending your hard earned money on an inferior product to nurture the lesser evil. That is not a win for consumers.

I disagree that it is inferior. I mean Pretty much every single amd card is better value than Nvidia, offers more vram and again is actually faster in raster.

DLSS might be 10-15% better in certain games over FSR, but is an upscaler that occasionally has 15% better image stability worth usually $100 or more premium?

If you ask me AMD has the better products, I mean the 7900XTX is faster than the 4080, on par with the 4080s and costs $150 less, has more vram. has dp2.1 support, has normal power connectors and it ages better, offering better performance over a longer period of time.

Same thing with the rest of their lineup, all the way to the 7600 which is just a bad product, but most are at that level, not one great value card. But yeah, the 7800xt is much better than the 4070 or 4070s, faster, cheaper, more vram, better drivers, dp2.1, better software suite, etc...

 

[HuLkY]

I disagree that it is inferior. I mean Pretty much every single amd card is better value than Nvidia, offers more vram and again is actually faster in raster.

DLSS might be 10-15% better in certain games over FSR, but is an upscaler that occasionally has 15% better image stability worth usually $100 or more premium?

If you ask me AMD has the better products, I mean the 7900XTX is faster than the 4080, on par with the 4080s and costs $150 less, has more vram. has dp2.1 support, has normal power connectors and it ages better, offering better performance over a longer period of time.

Same thing with the rest of their lineup, all the way to the 7600 which is just a bad product, but most are at that level, not one great value card. But yeah, the 7800xt is much better than the 4070 or 4070s, faster, cheaper, more vram, better drivers, dp2.1, better software suite, etc...

Wait till more than 50% of new 2025 games drop the classic rastraization in fsvor for up-scalers, even consoles are pushing for it. At that point nV is shifting the whole gaming industry into AI scalers, till someone changes that... ain't much to be done :/ almost a monopoly game.

OP, reviews are coming so soon round 21st or 24th with 5090 first then 5080, leaks might show you some insights.
Till then, relax and enjoy your mighty 4090, for real.

 

[evernessince]

At this point Nvidia is basically openly scamming people! You can not advertise it like that and mislead people so arrogantly and brazenly. Where are the consumer protection agencies?

He is essentially comparing a 5070 with DLSS4 which has the latest dlss plus frame generation x4 running vs a 4090 running older DLSS. Its comparing apples and toasters, its two very different things.

The 5070 is likely going to be around 4070ti super performance for $650, yeah I know the msrp is $550, but there is going to be only 1 model at msrp from partners and they are never going to be in stock, so realistically we are looking at $650 pricing for 4070ti super performance.

Consumer protection agencies haven't been serious since the early 80s. Corps have free reign to do as they please.

It's just standard marketing embellishment. It's technically not a lie, it's just very conditional. That's why it is always important to read the fine print. But you know why do they get away with this? Because the competition lets them get away with it. Asking people to buy a Radeon because of morals? You're basically just shooting yourself in the foot, spending your hard earned money on an inferior product to nurture the lesser evil. That is not a win for consumers.

Just because something is standard doesn't mean it isn't wrong or shouldn't be illegal. "Read the fine print"? Where actually does one find the fine print for GPUs? In the documentation after they've already purchased? Or are you implying that only enthusiasts are entitled to not being scammed? I've never liked this kind of argument because it places the blame on customers for corporate misdeeds. It's always the customer's fault and never the corps that something didn't come as expected and marketing is misleading. Do you always read the fine print for everything and anything you purchase or sign up to? No, no one does that because it's nearly impossible. This logic simply leads to every company trying to screw it's customers over and eventually they are going to succeed, regardless of how much effort you put into researching products.

It's right in line with the logic that "only stupid people get scammed". It doesn't address the problem, in fact it enables it by discouraging action against blatantly bad business practices. Why have any laws protecting customers at all. If people can read the fine print / do their own research on, for example, meat (and literally everything else they buy) surely it's their fault if they eat shit because they didn't realize a lack of regulations means an unregulated amount of feces in their food.

Let's just assign blame where blame is due. Nvidia has shady marketing practices and always has. We should push to improve that. AMD or Nvidia's other competitors are irrelevant to this conversation. A company shouldn't be allowed to screw customers when there is no competition. That's precisely when the government should step in. Obviously this is idealistic and not what's going to happen but it order to start taking steps towards a destination you first have to know that destination to begin with.

 

[JustBenching]

hi

i have an rtx 4090 and i am not sure if i want to upgrade to the rtx 5080


I found that the 5070 will be on par with the 4090,

the 5070 have 6144 core and the 5080 have 10752 , 75% more core.

The rtx 5080 should be 75% more more powerful than the 4090/5070, with a TPD of only 360 watt

the 4090 is still ok for my need (1440p gaming) but having something that is 75% more powerful and less power hungry is tempting


the only thing that bother me is the 16 go of ram. why 16 go for a rtx 5080 instead of 32. is 16 go gonna be ok for the future.

This has got to be a troll post, no freaking way.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

This has got to be a troll post, no freaking way.

I mean people fell for it during the ADA launch as well... The last time we got somewhat legit numbers was Ampere/rdna2.

I mean we still don't even know how these cards actually perform and won't know till reviews hit.

You also have a large portion of Nvidia fanboys who actually think frame generation equals more performance...

I mean maybe some people think they can sell the 4090 for 15-1800 usd and pocket the difference after purchasing the 5080 while getting Blackwell's extra features.....

 

[JustBenching]

The 5070 is likely going to be around 4070ti super

Doubt. 4070ti maybe.

I mean people fell for it during the ADA launch as well... The last time we got somewhat legit numbers was Ampere/rdna2.

I mean we still don't even know how these cards actually perform and won't know till reviews hit.

You also have a large portion of Nvidia fanboys who actually think frame generation equals more performance...

I mean maybe some people think they can sell the 4090 for 15-1800 usd and pocket the difference after purchasing the 5080 while getting Blackwell's extra features.....

Unless blackwell has some miraculous architecture upgrades, or ampere were so badly memory bandwidth starved, we kinda know how blackwell will perform. Kinda crap. 5070 = barely 4070ti if even that, 5080 = 4080s +10-15%. The 5070ti might be the only decent one cause of the extra vram. 5090 is whatever, it's obviously fast but I think the pricing from aibs will be hilarious.

 

[freeagent]

You also have a large portion of Nvidia fanboys who actually think frame generation equals more performance...

As soon as I saw all that fake frame stuff I started looking at AMD lol..

As someone noted earlier, this is the new Physx I guess

 

[JustBenching]

As soon as I saw all that fake frame stuff I started looking at AMD lol..

As someone noted earlier, this is the new Physx I guess

AMD is also crap. They will release something that is barely faster than the equivalent nvidia card that is crap, it's just that their fans that will say "see, amd is faster". Barely faster than something crap is still crap

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Doubt. 4070ti maybe.


Unless blackwell has some miraculous architecture upgrades, or ampere were so badly memory bandwidth starved, we kinda know how blackwell will perform. Kinda crap. 5070 = barely 4070ti if even that, 5080 = 4080s +10-15%. The 5070ti might be the only decent one cause of the extra vram. 5090 is whatever, it's obviously fast but I think the pricing from aibs will be hilarious.

I think it'll just depend I'm guessing in RT they'll be a bit higher but in raster they might shift up a tier.... The 5080 is the biggest enigma it'll either be a huge ass dissappointment or perform way better than expected the two benchmarks Nvidia showed would put it on par or slightly ahead of the 4090 which would be surprising.

As soon as I saw all that fake frame stuff I started looking at AMD lol..

As someone noted earlier, this is the new Physx I guess

I like Physx better than frame generation it was pretty sweet in Borderlands 2 and Arkham Knight.

AMD is also crap. They will release something that is barely faster than the equivalent nvidia card that is crap, it's just that their fans that will say "see, amd is faster". Barely faster than something crap is still crap

Given blackwell underwhelming spec at the $550 price point this is their best chance honestly.

If it ends up barely better with more vram at a 50 usd haircut I'm not sure that's good enough though.

 

[JustBenching]

I think it'll just depend I'm guessing in RT they'll be a bit higher but in raster they might shift up a tier.... The 5080 is the biggest enigma it'll either be a huge ass dissappointment or perform way better than expected the two benchmarks Nvidia showed would put it on par or slightly ahead of the 4090 which would be surprising.




I like Physx better than frame generation it was pretty sweet in Borderlands 2 and Arkham Knight.

RT is where memory bandwidth (and cache) matter thats why I added the bandwidth caveat. But I'll be majorly surprised if the 5080 is anywhere close to the 4090 in something like CP77 with PT. I would actually call that some kind of miracle / black magic.

 

[iameatingjam]

Why would you willingly go from 24gb vram to 16gb when you already have 24gb and the 5080 might be slower? If you want x4 frame gen you can have that with the 4090 now with lossless scaling for $7. I'm guessing in Hogwarts Legacy and Jedi Survivor, etc, you'll be running out of vram with a 5080 with settings maxxed out since I've used 20gb vram on both of those games and it's easy to demonstrate; just crank all the settings up and play for at least 30 minutes and you'll be using over 16gb vram. Games are going to use more and more vram every year.

I agree. Keep the 4090 and if you want more framegen use lossless scaling, or possibly even some amd or intel multi-frame gen when they come out, hopefully they are also usable on other platforms. Anyway, I don't generally like using frame gen but there is one frustratingly single threaded game I could not get to run at 60 fps consistently especially during big battles on big maps and lossless scaling really worked. Not perfectly, there was some weirdness when scrolling the map and there was some gitters but it was definitely an improvement over just capping to 30 which was my previous solution.

I also tried it on some other capped at 30 fps games like tales of symphonia and yeah, it works, and I didn't notice any latency though I'm sure its increased.

I haven't used nvidia frame gen since the brief period I had a 4070, and my experience was very bad. I'm sure its improved by now, but regardless, lossless scaling works much better than the one time I tried to use nvidia frame gen (it was on the witcher 3 when testing ray tracing), just wanted to reach 60, I believe I was in the 40s, and oh my the latency was horrendous. And I'm not super sensitive to latency at all.

Being that my monitor is 60hz I don't really know what nvidia frame gen is like at hundreds of fps, but another benefit of lossless scaling is it works in any game, or should rather, I believe there's probably some problems with some. But man the thing is impressive software, it doesn't even have motion vectors. Its doing what amd was trying to do with afmf or whatever it was, and did it better.

 

[freeagent]

like Physx better than frame generation it was pretty sweet in Borderlands 2 and Arkham Knight.

I used to run a spare GPU just for physx lol.. so pointless

I tried FG in MSFS 2020, and it was ok.. IQ took a bit of a hit though.

 

[JustBenching]

If it ends up barely better with more vram at a 50 usd haircut I'm not sure that's good enough though.

We had the same story last gen. The 4080 should have been a 4060ti / 4070 and it's crap. Then the xtx was released for 999 and suddenly the fans were calling it a good deal. 999 for the same performance as what they thought should have been a 60ti.