AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT

[Hitesh12]

On the The Witcher 3 page it says, "There's too many issues with the Enhanced Edition right now, so we'll be testing the original a little longer."

Is that regarding the update that introduces RT and FSR/DLSS?

 

[Dr. Dro]

On the The Witcher 3 page it says, "There's too many issues with the Enhanced Edition right now, so we'll be testing the original a little longer."

Is that regarding the update that introduces RT and FSR/DLSS?

Yes. Said issues should be resolved by now, though

 

[Mitchel78]

my xfx 319 quick 7800xt becomes instant unstable if i just look at the switches in wattman. not even the stock settings are stable under all conditions. tried everythin, disable rebar, rollback drivers ... i have no idea how to get tis card stable.

 

[AusWolf]

not even the stock settings are stable under all conditions.

Then something must be wrong with the card. RMA maybe?

 

[OscarPill]

Is it normal that there are 7700xt models listed along the 7800xt on the Temperature and Fan noise page ? If not, how noisy is the 7800xt Sapphire Pulse ?

 

[AusWolf]

how noisy is the 7800xt Sapphire Pulse ?

As long as your case has good airflow, it's whisper quiet.

 

[Octavean]

Now it seems as if it’s a bit of a toss-up between the 7800XT and the 7900GRE (~$50 give or take). However the price drop on the 7700XT makes it a bit more palatable the. It was before if you can’t step up to the 7800XT.

 

[JustBuyLianLi]

Picked one up for around $415usd which is around what a 4060ti and 7700xt are currently going for here in Canada. They named it wrong as it’s more like what the 7700xt should have been and the 7600xt should have been as far as generational uplift goes. While it is a discount vs the 6800xt price was originally, a $450 price point would have made more sense given the 6800xt was $650 and that’s a 4 year old card.

That being said, the uplift over my 3060 has been insanely good, especially in Helldivers 2 where frames fell to 10-20fps in intense battles with automatons, drop ships and projectiles flying all around the screen and this was only on 1080p. This is with a 5700x3d too. I was told it's due to the game being too cpu heavy. The game engine is pretty old though, so I didn't expect a gpu upgrade to help as much as I'd like it to. Now I'm able to play on 1440p and while frames aren't as high as I think they would be in other games, it's still most of the time 80-100+ and drops remain at or around 60fps which is a much more smoother experience.

 

[Chrispy_]

Picked one up for around $415usd which is around what a 4060ti and 7700xt are currently going for here in Canada. They named it wrong as it’s more like what the 7700xt should have been and the 7600xt should have been as far as generational uplift goes. While it is a discount vs the 6800xt price was originally, a $450 price point would have made more sense given the 6800xt was $650 and that’s a 4 year old card.

Having had my 7800XT for almost a year now, I think I can say that the reduced power draw over the 6800XT is welcome and newer games seem to prefer RDNA3 over RDNA2.

Whilst the 7800XT was basically a like-for-like sidegrade with the games tested in 2023, the 2024 benchmark suite puts the 7800XT 11% ahead in RT-enabled titles and 5-6% ahead in non-RT games:

They named it wrong as it’s more like what the 7700xt should have been

I guess the real naming error was the 6800XT and that's what's skewing your perception.

The 6800XT should have been called a vanilla 6900 as it's the same silicon at the 6900XT with the exact same power budget, bandwidth, VRAM, cache, ROP count and 90% of the shader count. The reduced shader count actually just means that the 6800XT boosts higher at the same power budget so unless you manually tune the two cards, the difference between them is almost insignificant.

Compared to the "vanilla RX 6900" as I'm calling it, the 7800XT is a full tier lower than the 6800XT in terms of the product stack; AMD just fudged the naming last gen which is why this generation can't be compared against it like for like. This isn't new to AMD either - they did the same thing moving from Radeon HD 5000 to Radeon HD 6000 before the GCN architecture days, and there was definitely some naming/tier shenanigans going on in the early GCN days between 4 generations of the same old Pitcairn silicon from the HD 7000-series all the way to the R7 300-series!

 

[tfdsaf]

Just picked one up for 450 euros, its pretty much tied to the 4070ti in terms of performance at 1440p and has more Vram, while being 300 euros cheaper.

I went from the GTX 760 to the GTX 1060 6GB to the RX 5700XT to the RX 7800XT. Each decision has been amazing and I've been getting gigantic value out of each of these GPU's. Literally best value cards at the time.

Almost 150% faster performance from the 760 to the 1060 6gb, then around 80% faster performance from the 1060 to the 5700xt and now now over 100% performance going from the 5700Xt to the 7800XT.

I feel sorry for people who went from something like the 2070 to something like the 4070 vanilla, its just so awful and barely any performance gain at very low value.

 

[ARF]

I don't like it, and will never buy it because of the high power consumption.

Must be 2 W:

Must be 9 W:

Must be 10 W:

Must be 175 W:

Must be 175 W (no power spikes at all):

Is Counter-Strike 2 already fixed?

 

[Chrispy_]

You're unhappy that it's not as efficient as Nvidia's monolithic products, using a more expensive, smaller TSMC node?

I mean, duh! Of course a chiplet design uses more power, and it's TSMC N5 and N6, not TSMC N4. Power consumption wouldn't even be the same as Nvidia even if AMD used TSMC N4!

If you want power efficiency, pay the $800 for the 4070Ti which matches it for raster performance. You save $300 buying a 7800XT and obviously you don't get like for like since the chiplets will always have higher idle power and the RT performance isn't at the same level as Nvidia.

 

[Vya Domus]

(no power spikes at all):

Even your beloved Nvidia cards have power spikes well over their rated TDP, you live in fantasy land.

 

[Darkholm]

Even your beloved Nvidia cards have power spikes well over their rated TDP, you live in fantasy land.

Right on. Ampere based cards based on el-cheapo and el-crapolla Samsung 8nm waffer was the supreme king of power spikes. I had 3090 Palit GameRock and that was the ultimate piece of crap card. Sold it couple of hours after purchase for the same amount.

 

[ARF]

Even your beloved Nvidia cards have power spikes well over their rated TDP, you live in fantasy land.

Why trolling? This is your beloved brand, not mine.
Power spikes are like viruses, should find a medicine and heal them

 

[Vya Domus]

Yeah bro I am the one trolling, totally not you saying a bunch of nonsense of what "must be" and must not be, as if anyone should even care.

 

[JustBuyLianLi]

Having had my 7800XT for almost a year now, I think I can say that the reduced power draw over the 6800XT is welcome and newer games seem to prefer RDNA3 over RDNA2.

Whilst the 7800XT was basically a like-for-like sidegrade with the games tested in 2023, the 2024 benchmark suite puts the 7800XT 11% ahead in RT-enabled titles and 5-6% ahead in non-RT games:

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I guess the real naming error was the 6800XT and that's what's skewing your perception.

The 6800XT should have been called a vanilla 6900 as it's the same silicon at the 6900XT with the exact same power budget, bandwidth, VRAM, cache, ROP count and 90% of the shader count. The reduced shader count actually just means that the 6800XT boosts higher at the same power budget so unless you manually tune the two cards, the difference between them is almost insignificant.

Compared to the "vanilla RX 6900" as I'm calling it, the 7800XT is a full tier lower than the 6800XT in terms of the product stack; AMD just fudged the naming last gen which is why this generation can't be compared against it like for like. This isn't new to AMD either - they did the same thing moving from Radeon HD 5000 to Radeon HD 6000 before the GCN architecture days, and there was definitely some naming/tier shenanigans going on in the early GCN days between 4 generations of the same old Pitcairn silicon from the HD 7000-series all the way to the R7 300-series!

The 4060ti was bashed for good reason as performance wasn't really better than a 3060ti, so aside from being more power efficient and the newer features like AV1 and frame generation, many said it was either a 50 class, or should have been the actual 4060 vanilla the 4060 should have been a 4050 with the AD107 die. Nvidia used the naming all the cards a tier or two above where they would be if it were an actual generational performance uplift gave them the excuse to price it the same as the previous generation. They almost tried to call the 4070 ti a 4080, and even after they "fixed" the name, it still was overpriced as it was still more expensive than previous gen 80 class

 

[Octopuss]

I am thinking about getting a 7800 XT, but is it really incapable of doing above 100 FPS without ray tracing at 1440p? That's pretty disappointing.
I typically like to play games on max settings with anti aliasing disabled (weird habit), and really hoped one of these could easily get me 120+ FPS even in demanding games. 165Hz monitor suddenly feels like a waste of money...

 

[Why_Me]

I am thinking about getting a 7800 XT, but is it really incapable of doing above 100 FPS without ray tracing at 1440p? That's pretty disappointing.
I typically like to play games on max settings with anti aliasing disabled (weird habit), and really hoped one of these could easily get me 120+ FPS even in demanding games. 165Hz monitor suddenly feels like a waste of money...

I would wait for the reviews / prices of the new AMD cards.

 

[Macro Device]

with anti aliasing disabled

TAA is baked into most recent titles and can sometimes only be disabled by tweaking the configuration files. Games look broken afterwards. 100+ FPS + max settings + 1440p = get something 800+ USD á-la 7900 XTX, or upcoming GPUs if they're worth it (which is very, very unlikely in your case). The difference between high and max settings is so subtle you can squeeze more FPS by going down a bit. XeSS and FSR, despite being far from optimal, are sometimes a legit way to get another 30 to 50 percent performance.

This translates into me, for example, playing CP2077 at 90ish FPS at 1440p (SSR at Medium; XeSS at Quality) despite it clearly running at 50 FPS at pure max settings without XeSS involved (6700 XT). Visuals loss is significant, yet not deal breaking. This game is one of the worst cases for AMD GPU gaming anyway, DLSS is the only tech implemented somewhat correctly there. Native sucks, XeSS sucks, FSR sucks even more.

100+ FPS 1440p gaming has never been cheap. Getting away with a last gen mid ranger demands very significant game settings sacrifices.

 

[kapone32]

TAA is baked into most recent titles and can sometimes only be disabled by tweaking the configuration files. Games look broken afterwards. 100+ FPS + max settings + 1440p = get something 800+ USD á-la 7900 XTX, or upcoming GPUs if they're worth it (which is very, very unlikely in your case). The difference between high and max settings is so subtle you can squeeze more FPS by going down a bit. XeSS and FSR, despite being far from optimal, are sometimes a legit way to get another 30 to 50 percent performance.

This translates into me, for example, playing CP2077 at 90ish FPS at 1440p (SSR at Medium; XeSS at Quality) despite it clearly running at 50 FPS at pure max settings without XeSS involved (6700 XT). Visuals loss is significant, yet not deal breaking. This game is one of the worst cases for AMD GPU gaming anyway, DLSS is the only tech implemented somewhat correctly there. Native sucks, XeSS sucks, FSR sucks even more.

100+ FPS 1440p gaming has never been cheap. Getting away with a last gen mid ranger demands very significant game settings sacrifices.

You have a very jaded point of view. You talk about Gaming like the only thing that matters are Nvidia features. Native is not broken and 1440P is not a hard as you claim. There is also the notion that you are implying that all Games are somehow in the same bucket. Is TWWH3 the same as Rogue Trader? Are older titles that came before DLSS bad to play now because they don"t have that? This is the notion that allowed people to brow beat 6800XT owners as they had 3080s. Need I say more? I was watching a live stream today of someone using a 3080 and it was not good seeing 29 FPS in the new Asseto Corso. I expect the flames to start by the weekend that they had the nerve to release a Game without DLSS support. Just like 99% of all Games created today. Want to bring AAA into the equation. The truth was that when Hogwarts Launched and Starfield. Users with 7000 cards wondered what all the noise was about. Then before that there was Avatar. The best though is City Skylines 2 that only support DLSS but clicking Hyper RX in AMD software (or if you want to call it app) produced a very enjoyable 1,100.000 population in that Game that was smooth as butter. What I don't understand that there are about 8 to 10 of you that love to wax on AMD like their GPUs are garbage.

 

[Macro Device]

@kapone32, hard to quote something specific from this, ahem, wall of thought, let's put it that way. However, what I stated/implied is:

1. Cyberpunk 2077 specifically is an NVIDIA oriented title. Just don't bother buying an AMD GPU if this is your main gaming focus.
2. This exact game, once again, doesn't have any good native rendering implementation, it relies on DLSS heavily.
3. I never said these are necessary in gaming in general. In some other games AMD/Intel GPUs massively suck, too, but not in all of them.
4. I played 1440p myself and I know what it takes to max it out at 100+ FPS. Definitely at least two times my 6700 XT's calculating power in the games of 2023+.
5. Hyper RX is just an "I am too lame or the game devs are too lame to enable appropriate FSR mode in game menu myself/themselves" button. Image quality suffers a crap ton because it's enabling FSR1.
6. AMD's behaviour is what is utter rubbish, not their GPUs. GPUs themselves are reasonable. Prices are horrible (not cheap enough to convince. Not nearly enough. If you only see Canadian prices then it's on you, it's not the whole world. Russian prices, for example, are BETTER for NVIDIA video cards), software features are always late and bad quality and marketing is just pure kindergarten.

Please try reading carefully, thoughtfully and remember not a single corporation is your friend. AMD, nVidia, Intel, whatever, they all are poison and venom at the same time. AMD are enablers of this monopoly, that's why I hate them more than I hate nVidia.

 

[AusWolf]

I am thinking about getting a 7800 XT, but is it really incapable of doing above 100 FPS without ray tracing at 1440p? That's pretty disappointing.
I typically like to play games on max settings with anti aliasing disabled (weird habit), and really hoped one of these could easily get me 120+ FPS even in demanding games. 165Hz monitor suddenly feels like a waste of money...

That depends on what you want to play. But like it's been said, I'd wait for the new cards to release and see the reviews.

@kapone32, hard to quote something specific from this, ahem, wall of thought, let's put it that way. However, what I stated/implied is:

1. Cyberpunk 2077 specifically is an NVIDIA oriented title. Just don't bother buying an AMD GPU if this is your main gaming focus.
2. This exact game, once again, doesn't have any good native rendering implementation, it relies on DLSS heavily.
3. I never said these are necessary in gaming in general. In some other games AMD/Intel GPUs massively suck, too, but not in all of them.
4. I played 1440p myself and I know what it takes to max it out at 100+ FPS. Definitely at least two times my 6700 XT's calculating power in the games of 2023+.
5. Hyper RX is just an "I am too lame or the game devs are too lame to enable appropriate FSR mode in game menu myself/themselves" button. Image quality suffers a crap ton because it's enabling FSR1.
6. AMD's behaviour is what is utter rubbish, not their GPUs. GPUs themselves are reasonable. Prices are horrible (not cheap enough to convince. Not nearly enough. If you only see Canadian prices then it's on you, it's not the whole world. Russian prices, for example, are BETTER for NVIDIA video cards), software features are always late and bad quality and marketing is just pure kindergarten.

Please try reading carefully, thoughtfully and remember not a single corporation is your friend. AMD, nVidia, Intel, whatever, they all are poison and venom at the same time. AMD are enablers of this monopoly, that's why I hate them more than I hate nVidia.

That all is deeply into personal opinion territory. You can't sell any of it as fact.

 

[kapone32]

@kapone32, hard to quote something specific from this, ahem, wall of thought, let's put it that way. However, what I stated/implied is:

1. Cyberpunk 2077 specifically is an NVIDIA oriented title. Just don't bother buying an AMD GPU if this is your main gaming focus.
2. This exact game, once again, doesn't have any good native rendering implementation, it relies on DLSS heavily.
3. I never said these are necessary in gaming in general. In some other games AMD/Intel GPUs massively suck, too, but not in all of them.
4. I played 1440p myself and I know what it takes to max it out at 100+ FPS. Definitely at least two times my 6700 XT's calculating power in the games of 2023+.
5. Hyper RX is just an "I am too lame or the game devs are too lame to enable appropriate FSR mode in game menu myself/themselves" button. Image quality suffers a crap ton because it's enabling FSR1.
6. AMD's behaviour is what is utter rubbish, not their GPUs. GPUs themselves are reasonable. Prices are horrible (not cheap enough to convince. Not nearly enough. If you only see Canadian prices then it's on you, it's not the whole world. Russian prices, for example, are BETTER for NVIDIA video cards), software features are always late and bad quality and marketing is just pure kindergarten.

Please try reading carefully, thoughtfully and remember not a single corporation is your friend. AMD, nVidia, Intel, whatever, they all are poison and venom at the same time. AMD are enablers of this monopoly, that's why I hate them more than I hate nVidia.

1. While Nvidia does have a relationship with CP2077 using an AMD is not a problem
2. While I am getting 165 FPS at 4k native high
3. Show me a Game where AMD GPUs absolutely suck my 7900XT ha no problem with my entire library
4. I had 1440P in 2011 QNIX

6. Where I live a 7900XTX is about $1300 while a 4090 is minimum $2900. Only someone that needs CUDA would pay double for 15% increase in performance. Then I have been in this Game for a long time so 4K 144hz is plenty fine and yes Games have deeper colours on my 7900XT vs my 3060 laptop. Even my measly 8600G based HTPC produces a richer picture than my Gaming laptop.

I have also been around long enough that Nvidia have done desultory actions. Even to people that would help their bottom line they have and it is the reason I went to AMD. The truth is since the original 6800 1GB AMD have had better price/performance but the narrative has been all Nvidia. Whether it was the Super Bowl or World Series f me even the Triple Crown and Masters had Nvidia (The way it 's meant to be played") commercials to create the sheep culture. I was like you when I built my first PC it had a GTS 450 and I used to drool about the 8800 but I found the 6800 and then 7950X and then Vega and the 7900XT is perfect for me and my library of Humble, GOG, Fanatical, Steam even Epic as I have been a Gamer since I stopped at the Arcade at the bowling alley every day in Grade 6 on the way home from school. You would not understamnd the hook of Outrun on Atari because there is no DLSS. Even TOCA Racing on the PS was progess but AMS2 looks great and plays at 300+ FPS at 4K.

 

[Macro Device]

That all is deeply into personal opinion territory. You can't sell any of it as fact.

Another one not even trying to read. I put zero opinion in any of that.

2. While I am getting 165 FPS at 4k native high

In Cyberpunk? On a 7900 XT? It's impossible on ANY GPU. Even 5090 can't do that, it's gonna be hard stuck at double digits. If you have Hyper RX enabled then it's not native, you have massive FSR included. Hello, fellow 720p gamer!

3. Show me a Game where AMD GPUs absolutely suck my 7900XT ha no problem with my entire library

Literally any title with ray tracing being the only available option clearly shows that AMD GPUs trail behind Team Green pricesakes. Especially at the highest end where VRAM amount is redundant on whatever model. Avatar, for example, and SH2 IIRC. It's not strictly "absolutely sucks" but still bad.

7900XTX is about $1300 while a 4090 is minimum $2900

Do you realise you compare a GPU that has a competitor to a GPU that hasn't? Compare to a 4070 Ti or maybe Super if we got a 7900 XTX that overclocks well enough, that's where 7900 XTX lies if we take RT seriously. Or 4080 if we do not. 4090 is a league of its own, it's allowed ANY price that's lower than whatever NV got in stock for even more advanced customers like these RTX 6000 GPUs.

Games have deeper colours on my 7900XT vs my 3060 laptop

Placebo effect. Colours are identical if we talk identical displays and identical properly working cables. If you talk "Vivid gaming" thing from the Adrenalin app it's arguably useful. Never found these oversaturated colours any appealing. Just calibrate your monitor properly and run games at default colours, unless you're a daltonic.