Guys any thoughts about this morherboard?

[AtiAmd]

I want to get one soon and use 12100f with it but...in near future i would want to upgrade to 13600kf. Would vrm handle that cpu?

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[Harlow]

The 13600KF is on the CPU support list for that motherboard, so yes, you could fit it, but given the lack of heatsinks on the VRMs, I'd recommend saving up for a more expensive board.

If you stick with the H610M and upgrade to a 13600KF, don't expect the CPU to boost significantly before the VRMs hit 90 to 100 degrees C.

Use an air cooler with plenty of "downwash" air movement over the VRMs. If you use an AIO, the VRMs will probably roast at consistently high loads without separate fans.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-motherboard-vrm-cooling-solution-is-actually-useful.

 

[AtiAmd]

I know mate. Those pesky h610 "officially" support these cpus but are pegged back when used above 130w...

 

[eidairaman1]

I want to get one soon and use 12100f with it but...in near future i would want to upgrade to 13600kf. Would vrm handle that cpu?

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On on gigabytes website and look in their support section.

 

[Waldorf]

@eidairaman1
many lower tier boards supported x950 ryzens on paper, in reality, not so much (of a good idea).

 

[Macro Device]

You will overload this VRM by unloading the full potential of that 13600KF. Even at stock frequencies.

This mobo is only a dozen USD more expensive. And it has one phase more + all are covered by heatsinks (not optimal geometry of course) so 13600KF will feel fine. Still not ideal.

I'd recommend searching for a MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4.

 

[eidairaman1]

@eidairaman1
many lower tier boards supported x950 ryzens on paper, in reality, not so much (of a good idea).

Ofc not, 610 is a budget chipset, so expect budget parts on pcb, just active cool them.

 

[AtiAmd]

You will overload this VRM by unloading the full potential of that 13600KF. Even at stock frequencies.

This mobo is only a dozen USD more expensive. And it has one phase more + all are covered by heatsinks (not optimal geometry of course) so 13600KF will feel fine. Still not ideal.

I'd recommend searching for a MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4.

Yep i saw one but i think i'll go for msi pro b760 p...it's stated it has 16+1+1...

 

[Bill_Bright]

Good case cooling goes a long ways towards providing sufficient cooling to EVERYTHING inside the case, including VRMs. And it is the user's responsibility to ensure the case is providing that.

Just because VRMs don't have included heatsinks, that does not mean they will overheat.

 

[Macro Device]

Just because VRMs don't have included heatsinks, that does not mean they will overheat.

They will because they will be overloaded. One needs to keep them under 60C to keep sanity in check when they're running at 150+ % capacity. Cannot do that without a heatsink I'm afraid.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Good case cooling goes a long ways towards providing sufficient cooling to EVERYTHING inside the case, including VRMs. And it is the user's responsibility to ensure the case is providing that.

Just because VRMs don't have included heatsinks, that does not mean they will overheat.

That depends on a lot of variables really. But holds some truth.

I've done over 7ghz on 4+2 VRM boards with a core reduction to keep amp draw low enough to make the frequency possible. Obviously with some extreme chilling though, and a board capable of OC.

However, the bios on the board will be written with heavy power restrictions. The cpu would not live up to expectations. But it will work. A 13600KF has a lot more per core muscle than a 12100F, so the performance increase would still be there mostly.

In short, it'll be fine even for a 13600KF. Cool the vrm package area as prescribed.

 

[Bill_Bright]

They will because they will be overloaded.

Nah! That's nonsense. Gigabyte is reputable maker. They are not going to use VRMs that will be overloaded if operated normally and with supported components. And the 13600KF is a supported CPU.

We must be careful not to spread FUD.

The TRUTH is, the vast majority of users will stick with the default settings. Even those who do a little tweaking will not likely be going to 150+%. So let's be realistic here.

If a potential buyer is planning that sort of dinking (150+%) with the settings, they should be looking at a different board. It is simply misleading to suggest this board (or ANY board, for that matter) is not capable if it might fail when misused and abused. And unless the manufacturer stipulates the board supports such dinking, it is misuse and abuse.

It is not the board's fault if the buyer fails to do their homework properly and buys the wrong board for their intended use.

That depends on a lot of variables really.

Of course! But even with included heatsinks, keeping the VRMs properly cooled depends on a lot of variables - particularly case cooling. In fact, heatsinks or not, the variables are the same. The degree to which they factor in may be different, but the number of variables are exactly the same.

It is the same with air cooling a CPU. You can have the best CPU cooler but if there is an inadequate flow of cool air flowing through the case, the CPU is still at risk of overheating.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Of course! But even with included heatsinks, keeping the VRMs properly cooled depends on a lot of variables - particularly case cooling. In fact, heatsinks or not, the variables are the same. The degree to which they factor in may be different, but the number of variables are exactly the same.

It is the same with air cooling a CPU. You can have the best CPU cooler but if there is an inadequate flow of cool air flowing through the case, the CPU is still at risk of overheating.

I would add heat sinks if none came on the board. Its likely the Bios is written to throttle at a lowish temp, around 80c to 85c most likely.

Most decent quality VRMs on the other hand can operate at 110c and then start becoming less effecient with a max rating 125c range. Again depends on quality and how bios restrictions are set up.

I would use a top down style heat sink for this application honestly. It will ensure a flow on the vrm package area all the time, even with poor case flow.

 

[Macro Device]

Nah! That's nonsense. Gigabyte is reputable maker. They are not going to use VRMs that will be overloaded if operated normally and with supported components. And the 13600KF is a supported CPU.

13600K consumes ~200 W under peak load.
13600KF is essentially the same CPU that consumes the same amount of power under the same circumstances. Perhaps 5 watts less best case scenario.

200 W going through 6 phases is 33.(3) W going through one. Peak safe wattage for a single phase (4C10N; 4C06N) is 25 W, assuming it's actively cooled.

The fact you can install and use a 13600KF on this mainboard doesn't mean you can get 100% out of it. One should never go beyond 150 W, assuming all VRM phases have heatsinks and active cooling thereof. In this particular case, the more realistic number is 100 W. At 100 W limit, 13600KF becomes stunted.

Outlandish to recommend going for a watt-happy CPU + anemic VRM motherboard combo and also refuse to suggest undervolting. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Lost_Troll]

Most 610 motherboards are limited on the overclocking features since they are on the low end, but you can unlock some of them like the Gigabyte model. Which there is a good thread about it on TPU.

It seems you can get a decent overclock without melting the VRM's.

 

[Macro Device]

It seems you can get a decent overclock without melting the VRM's.

Only on some select B660 / Z690 mainboards with an external BCLK generator using outdated BIOS versions. Other than that, your best case scenario is unlocking the power limit and praying your poor thing won't e-waste itself afterwards. H610 + UNLOCKED 13600KF WILL NOT END WELL.

 

[Zazigalka]

It'll be fine, but make sure you have active cooling blowing air on the vrm and never ever run a stress test. Hell, I'd be a little worried to run shader compiler in games....... It can push my 10700 to 125w on loading screen while in games it never uses more than 70w

Only on some select B660 / Z690 mainboards with an external BCLK generator using outdated BIOS versions. Other than that, your best case scenario is unlocking the power limit and praying your poor thing won't e-waste itself afterwards. H610 + UNLOCKED 13600KF WILL NOT END WELL.

H610 doesn't overclock though

 

[Macro Device]

H610 doesn't overclock though

This is common knowledge. You can only overclock your RAM on these mobos, mostly by tightening timings because H610 imposes a hard 3200 MT/s limit on that (or whatever MT/s for DDR5, don't remember).

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Only on some select B660 / Z690 mainboards with an external BCLK generator using outdated BIOS versions. Other than that, your best case scenario is unlocking the power limit and praying your poor thing won't e-waste itself afterwards. H610 + UNLOCKED 13600KF WILL NOT END WELL.

It'll run on the board at a derated performance level. But the cpu will probably run nice and cool. If the bios is written for 120w peak, that's all the cpu will be allowed to pull. Unlocked cpu or not. Just like an OEM.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I would use a top down style heat sink for this application honestly.

My preferred at all times.

Side firing coolers may completely miss heat sensitive components that manufacturers cluster around CPU sockets. This is a problem often overlooked by water blocks too. Another problem with side firing coolers, at least IMO, is they can cause unwanted turbulence and/or disrupt the desired front to back (or bottom to top) flow if air through a case - depending on the direction they fire.

Sadly, proper case cooling is too often overlooked. The CPU cooler is important, but the CPU cooler need only toss the CPU's heat into that case air flow. Without a good flow of cool air through the case, the heated air will not be properly exhausted out - no matter how good the CPU cooler is.

@Macro Device - nothing you said in your last two replies changes anything I said in my previous comment. Contrary to what you seem to imply, not everyone overclocks their systems.

I note the OP did not say he was planning on doing any, let alone more than moderate overclocking.

But more importantly, it is misleading to criticize hardware that is NOT marketed to support such extremes. Adding "Gaming" to a product's name is just gimmicky marketing hype.

I note this is not an expensive, high-end board.

@AtiAmd - how about giving us some more insight about your system and your intended use. Right now, all we can do is speculate. Please fill out your TPU System Specs and tell us your plans with this system. If you are not planning on doing any extreme overclocking, and if your case cooling is set up properly to provide a decent flow of cool air through the case, then you should not need to worry about whether or not your VRMs have heatsinks on them or not.

 

[Macro Device]

@Macro Device - nothing you said in your last two replies changes anything I said in my previous comment. Contrary to what you seem to imply, not everyone overclocks their systems.

I note the OP did not say he was planning on doing any, let alone more than moderate overclocking.

What I'm saying is OP will not be able to run this 13600KF at STOCK (!!!) frequencies without melting this H610. Overclocking is even more so way outta equation. What they will get out of the box is a stunted CPU which power throttles like crazy every time they launch something more advanced than a run-of-the-mill first person shooter video game. Or they could unlock full 200 W and set their wares on fire.

A proper mobo with good VRM is a way to go.

 

[Zazigalka]

I'd just pick a 13500 instead if I were him. And top-down cooler is a good suggestion.

 

[Bill_Bright]

What I'm saying is OP will not be able to run this 13600KF at STOCK (!!!) frequencies without melting this H610.

Oh bullfeathers! Come on dude! That is total nonsense and FUD! You are not doing anyone a service by spreading such falsehoods.

Why would Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and other H610 motherboard makers ALL report the 13600KF processor is supported by their boards if they couldn't?

 

[GerKNG]

it should run just fine as long as you're not planning to loop Prime95 in the hottest week of the summer.
get the CPU, look for a VRM sensor with HWinfo and run the CPU uncapped in lets say R23, as long as it doesn't throttle it's fine... VRMs are not CPUs. they don't care running at 100°C for thousands of hours.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Oh bullfeathers! Come on dude! That is total nonsense and FUD! You are not doing anyone a service by spreading such falsehoods.

Why would Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and other H610 motherboard makers ALL report the 13600KF processor is supported by their boards if they couldn't?

Support and properly run processors are 2 different things unfortunately.

He's tying to tell you the H610 chipset was designed for 65w cpu parts. Sure, it supports 253w 12900K, but would be far from capable of actually running the cpu without massive derate.

Single core and dual core boosts may reach desired frequencies as long as it's within the desired power envelope peak the guy that wrote the bios allows.

I want to say the H610 will peak at 125w power load, but I haven't bothered to research to backup that statement. I'd have to look up the VRMs and what they are capable of and then make an educated guess from there what you could realistically get away with despite the cpu part number.

So you both are correct, but at the limitation of the hardware and bios settings.