RDNA4 (RX 9070XT / 9070) launch announced for (delayed to) March 2025

[eidairaman1]

Notice how nVidia only mentioned "February".

Perhaps they could beat AMD at their own Dither & Delay © game, and release the 5070... not at the end of that month, as potentially calculated by AMD, but right at the beginning instead

If they indeed proceed in such a masterful way, I'll have even less remorse contributing to the Jacket Fund.

Already knew you were going that way anyhow lol, quit lying to yourself

 

[Dr. Dro]

There are already number of red flags by nvidia itself tested performance increase only ~15-20% (DLSS4 off)

The double standard is astounding, you people will genuinely lambast Nvidia for a 20% improvement and praise AMD for a 20% regression, I can't even

 

[3x0]

The double standard is astounding, you people will genuinely lambast Nvidia for a 20% improvement and praise AMD for a 20% regression, I can't even

It's not a regression if the price is right

 

[rv8000]

The double standard is astounding, you people will genuinely lambast Nvidia for a 20% improvement and praise AMD for a 20% regression, I can't even

Weird, who’s praising anyone for a performance regression in this thread? Bar naming shenanigans and shifting stuff up and down the stack neither company is releasing a generational successor with less performance?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Bar naming shenanigans and shifting stuff up and down the stack neither company is releasing a generational successor with less performance?

This product itself represents a generational regression, whether due to the total absence of a higher end model, incompetence, or both.

It's not a regression if the price is right

Then why on Earth are you people even complaining about the RTX 5070 at $549. More performance, better features, the same price.

 

[Krit]

i wanted the 5070, the 12gb made it unreasonable for me. The 5070ti price is also unreasonable. I will wait for a 5070 16gb or the 5060 ti. Or AMD if they surprise me.
Last time i spent 650€ on the 3060ti, i wanted to spend less if possible this time.

RTX 5060 Ti 16GB shold be worse than RTX 5070 12GB becouse of extremely weak 128bit GPU. There are no benefit from more vram if gpu itself have no grunt.

Also RTX 4060 Ti 16GB was worse than RTX 4070 12GB p/p wise.

RX 9070 XT or RTX 5070 Super (one year later) should be better deal.

 

[rv8000]

This product itself represents a generational regression, whether due to the total absence of a higher end model, incompetence, or both.



Then why on Earth are you people even complaining about the RTX 5070 at $549. More performance, better features, the same price.

Talk about mental gymnastics and warped justifications. They’re both new generation x700/xx70 class gpus, and unless the rumored performance of the 9070xt is significantly behind a 7700xt, there isn’t a “performance regression”. Pricing is an entirely different story.

Nice projecting though.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Talk about mental gymnastics and warped justifications. They’re both new generation x700/xx70 class gpus, and unless the rumored performance of the 9070xt is significantly behind a 7700xt, there isn’t a “performance regression”. Pricing is an entirely different story.

Nice projecting though.

Be honest with me. Do you really think this GPU is a replacement for the 7700 XT? And you're talking mental gymnastics and projecting with me? Wow. Just.. wow. If this was a replacement for the 7700 XT, AMD would have released it by now at $300. Not only that, but they'd have literally stolen pretty much the entire thunder from Nvidia (and put Intel out of business) with this one move. It'd be as good as a check mate. Don't kid yourself... This is not a mid-low end product. It was never meant to be, and it doesn't have the BoM costs of one.

 

[AusWolf]

could this delay be for a new bios that improves performance?

Doubtful. A new BIOS needs to be flashed onto the cards, which are at stores and warehouses waiting to be sold.

 

[x4it3n]

Launching in March when reviewers already have their testing samples in January is very odd imo... But if the RTX 50s leaks are true, they are not going to be in stock before end of Q1 2025 or beginning of Q2 2025 so we could see more competition & availability around March/April/May. In any case we need more competition between Nvidia, AMD and Intel.

 

[AusWolf]

Be honest with me. Do you really think this GPU is a replacement for the 7700 XT? And you're talking mental gymnastics and projecting with me? Wow. Just.. wow. If this was a replacement for the 7700 XT, AMD would have released it by now at $300. Not only that, but they'd have literally stolen pretty much the entire thunder from Nvidia (and put Intel out of business) with this one move. It'd be as good as a check mate. Don't kid yourself... This is not a mid-low end product. It was never meant to be, and it doesn't have the BoM costs of one.

They named it 9070 specifically to compete with the 5070 even in name. New midrange is faster than old high-end. It's just the nature of things.

 

[rv8000]

Be honest with me. Do you really think this GPU is a replacement for the 7700 XT? And you're talking mental gymnastics and projecting with me? Wow. Just.. wow. If this was a replacement for the 7700 XT, AMD would have released it by now at $300. Not only that, but they'd have literally stolen pretty much the entire thunder from Nvidia with this one move. It'd be as good as a check mate. Don't kid yourself...

It’s effectively going to fill the midrange segment which the 7700 and 7800 cards filled previously, price wise the XT is likely to align more around a 7800XT ~500+. The fact of the matter is marketing, for one reason or another, realigned the naming scheme to fit the x700/xx70 class tier.

This isn’t a massive monolithic die or mcm equivalent either (7900XTX size). So please show me the performance regression with the rumored leaks putting it around 7900XT class performance??? It’s going to handily beat all 7700/7800 class cards.

 

[3x0]

Then why on Earth are you people even complaining about the RTX 5070 at $549. More performance, better features, the same price.

I don't think the complaints are too much about the price, but more about the comparison to the 4090 and the marketing speil. Also, the 20% performance uplift isn't anything to be excited about, seeing how some previous generations had much more of a perf uplift, but seeing the perf uplift compared to RTX 3000 over a 4 year span is more digestible.

It will be the same for AMD if they price their parts badly. For ex, if they price the 9070XT at 550$ with performance at 7900XT levels, and compare it to the 7900XT MSRP of 900$ to be painted in a more favorable light they will be blasted much more than nV did for their marketing and price/perf uplift.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Doubtful. A new BIOS needs to be flashed onto the cards, which are at stores and warehouses waiting to be sold.

Which is like half the problem, unsellable inventory will cause a rift between AMD and distributors fast, since warehouse space costs more than whatever the distributor's cut would be for this product cycle. It really seems they were swept off their feet by the RTX 5070 and have decided to simply halt the launch, wait for NV's product to be released and then try to undercut them just right, Waiting until March is an untenable situation and AMD may have to issue a pre-launch distributor recall.

They named it 9070 specifically to compete with the 5070 even in name. New midrange is faster than old high-end. It's just the nature of things.

That sounds more like they are targeting NVIDIA's product than a successor of their own product. If this really, honestly was a low-cost midranger designed to slot in at the exact same performance level, they'd sell it priced accordingly. There would be no fuss and no drama. At 7700 and 7800 XT prices, they would be perfectly acceptable. But they obviously cannot sell even the 9070 non-XT at that price level.

 

[JustBenching]

This isn’t a massive monolithic die or mcm equivalent either (7900XTX size). So please show me the performance regression with the rumored leaks putting it around 7900XT class performance??? It’s going to handily beat all 7700/7800 class cards.

The 7800xt has the same performance as the 6800xt, a 649$ 2020 gpu. It even had the same vram. If the 9070xt isn't twice as fast as that at the same price, something is very rotten here.

 

[AusWolf]

There are insane differences between RX 7600 8GB and 16GB:

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In some games, such fps drops can be seen as well with 4060 Ti 8GB and not with 16GB. What Nvidia's drivers do, unlike AMD's, they try to compensate lack of VRAM by allocating a portion of system RAM to be used as additional VRAM. This portion can take 2-3 GB of RAM.

I don't want to argue, people, but there are three things to take into account:
1. RTX 3060 had 12 GB VRAM, while RTX 3070 had 8 GB and RTX 3080 had 10 GB.
2. RTX 4070 has 12 GB VRAM, so does RTX 5070. At least with 4070 Ti (former 4080) Nvidia went from 12 GB to 16 GB with 5070 Ti. 4070 costs around 700€, 5070 is listed for 750€.
3. Intel Arc B580 with price tag of 330€ has 12 GB VRAM. For less than half of 4070/5070 cost.

(I'm talking final retail prices above.)

8 GB for any mid to enthusiast class card sold nowadays is not OK. Unfortunately, expect no more from RTX 5060, which means two gen. older card (3060) had 4 GB more VRAM. 5060 is expected to leverage DLSS4 and MFG often above 1080p and that requires additional memory.

AMD drivers allocate system RAM too. Where else would you overflow with an 8-12 GB card?

 

[3valatzy]

Doubtful. A new BIOS needs to be flashed onto the cards, which are at stores and warehouses waiting to be sold.

That will be a very very long wait

The 7800xt has the same performance as the 6800xt, a 649$ 2020 gpu. It even had the same vram. If the 9070xt isn't twice as fast as that at the same price, something is very rotten here.

It's called Moore's law is dead, but also wafers allocation for non-GPU target use cases.

R.I.P. gaming industry.

 

[Zazigalka]

not sure why that would matter to me in the 3000 series, i will judge the upgrade based on what i have like anyone else, not on gen on gen

Gen to gen is a good objective measure of what the new generations is capable of overall. So far, it looks like Blackwell is not remotely what 3000 achieved over 2000 and 4000 over 3000. 3080 was 60% faster than 2080, 4080 was 50% faster than 3080. 4080 to 5080 will be around 20%.

 

[AusWolf]

Notice how nVidia only mentioned "February".

Perhaps they could beat AMD at their own Dither & Delay © game, and release the 5070... not at the end of that month, as potentially calculated by AMD, but right at the beginning instead

If they indeed proceed in such a masterful way, I'll have even less remorse contributing to the Jacket Fund.

In a strict sense, even AMD said nothing about the launch date. Not once.

 

[JustBenching]

It's called Moore's law is dead, but also wafers allocation for non-GPU target use cases.

R.I.P. gaming industry.

That's why I was generous with a 50% gen on gen increase. I'll even be happy with a 80.

 

[Zazigalka]

In a strict sense, even AMD said nothing about the launch date. Not once.

The cards have been sent to retailers and reviewers.

 

[AusWolf]

The cards have been sent to retailers and reviewers.

Retailers, yes. Reviewers? Are you sure?

 

[TPUnique]

When NVIDIA released the 4060 Ti everyone called it a worthless product because it was. The GPU simply isn't powerful enough to be able to make meaningful use of that amount of memory, and framegen/upscaling don't change this basic fact. So why should NVIDIA waste money on a larger framebuffer when they know it's pointless and consumers won't pay for it? They marry their GPUs to the amount of memory that those GPUs need to run the resolutions that GPU is designed for; how exactly is this a bad thing?

It's perhaps not a bad thing when it comes to video games. However it does become a problem when you account for other applications, such as machine learning, for which there's never enough VRAM.

 

[Hecate91]

Already knew you were going that way anyhow lol, quit lying to yourself

Exactly, the excuses here from some are interesting, if people can't wait then they were probably going to buy an Nvidia card anyway.

The cards have been sent to retailers and reviewers.

Except no one knows how many cards retailers have, there could be several reasons AMD is launching in march including waiting for retailers to have sufficient supply. IMO its better to wait than have everyone accuse of it being a paper launch.

 

[rv8000]

The 7800xt has the same performance as the 6800xt, a 649$ 2020 gpu. It even had the same vram. If the 9070xt isn't twice as fast as that at the same price, something is very rotten here.

I know you love to move goal posts, 6800>7800xt was 25% cheaper and manages to edge out its predecessor with less physical hardware in raster, and marginally gaping it in RT (however irrelevant that is). That’s also after the fact crypto and covid boom impacts. Not a single $500 card and below did anything to move the performance needle from AMD or Nvidia.

So back on topic where’s this 20% performance regression that people are praising AMD for on an unreleased x700/xx70 class card, that to the best of our knowledge, is going to perform like a 7900XT+?