RDNA4 Prediction Time!!!

[AusWolf]

But isn't a 7800XT a 7800XT and a 6800XT is 6800XT? Thats what I was originally comparing, those two cards and from my perspective the 7800XT didn't do diddly-squat over a 6800XT and only if you didn't originally purchase a 6800XT was a 7800XT an option.

But why should a $500 card do diddly squat over a $650 one? It gave you 50% more performance over last gen's $480 one, isn't that enough?

Plenty of options soon matey

Yep, although I'm pretty much stuck with a 9070 XT. I'm not paying 550 for a 12 GB card, and the 5070 Ti is out of my comfortable price range. I'm on Linux as well, where AMD's support is a tad better.

 

[JustBenching]

The 9070 won't match the 4090 because it's a good two tiers below that. It's not targeting anywhere near that performance. AMD themselves said that they're not going for the high-end this time, so which one of their cards are you expecting to beat Nvidia's last gen halo?

Honestly I don't know where the 4090 stands in comparison to the 6800xt, Im just expecting a 5 years newer GPU at the same price to be ~40% faster gen on gen - which would translate to 2x the 6800xt in performance. You think 40% gen on gen is a crazy thing to ask?

 

[AusWolf]

But how is that possible my man? How far behind was amd with RDNA2 when they get 50% performance gen on gen (with nvidia getting single digits) and nvidia still ends up with the faster cards? Something doesn't add up. I've been reading that since turing to be honest, and yet still amd's fastest cards sits at like 5th - 6th place. How can they consistently offer huge improvements while nvidia offers single digits and nvidia still is at the top??

Nvidia has the fastest halo cards, there's no doubt about it. They keep cramming more parts into them and increasing power through the roof. But there's barely anything interesting in the midrange.

Honestly I don't know where the 4090 stands in comparison to the 6800xt, Im just expecting a 5 years newer GPU at the same price to be ~40% faster gen on gen - which would translate to 2x the 6800xt in performance. You think 40% gen on gen is a crazy thing to ask?

It's not crazy, but good luck saying that to people who piss their pants in joy if Nvidia gives them 10%.

 

[JustBenching]

Nvidia has the fastest halo cards, there's no doubt about it. They keep cramming more parts into them and increasing power through the roof. But there's barely anything interesting in the midrange.

It's not just the halo cards though, the severely cut down 4080, 4080S and now the 5080 are sitting or will be (in the case of the 5080) at the top of the raster table, faster than anything amd has (according to latest TPU review).

It's not crazy, but good luck saying that to people who piss their pants in joy if Nvidia gives them 10%.

Sure buy why do we even have to bring up nvidia here? I was talking about amd for 5 posts in a row and guy kept telling me about nvidia.

 

[Outback Bronze]

It gave you 50% more performance over last gen's $480 one, isn't that enough?

I bought and still have a 6800XT. Was there going to be a 50% uplift for me going a 7800XT? I just previously showed examples of a 6800XT beating a 7800XT.

Anyways it's all good. Bring on the 9070XT!

 

[JustBenching]

I bought and still have a 6800XT. Was there going to be a 50% uplift for me going a 7800XT? I just previously showed examples of a 6800XT beating a 7800XT.

Anyways it's all good. Bring on the 9070XT!

The 7900xt was 29,8% faster than the 6800xt for 39% more money. The XTX was 44% faster for 54% more money. Pretty much a regression in performance per $ but hey, ngreedia

 

[AusWolf]

It's not just the halo cards though, the severely cut down 4080, 4080S and now the 5080 are sitting or will be (in the case of the 5080) at the top of the raster table, faster than anything amd has (according to latest TPU review).

It's still high end. Not where AMD is aiming at with any RDNA 4 card. I don't see the point you're trying to make here.

Sure buy why do we even have to bring up nvidia here? I was talking about amd for 5 posts in a row and guy kept telling me about nvidia.

Because I get the impression that you're more satisfied with Nvidia's improvements, even though they're a lot smaller in the midrange and below.

I bought and still have a 6800XT. Was there going to be a 50% uplift for me going a 7800XT? I just previously showed examples of a 6800XT beating a 7800XT.

That's cool, but it's still not a good comparison. Obviously, the 5070 won't be any faster than the 4090, but it doesn't have to be. Same with the 7800 XT and 6800 XT. They're not the same class of GPU regardless of the similar name.

 

[JustBenching]

It's still high end. Not where AMD is aiming at with any RDNA 4 card. I don't see the point you're trying to make here.

My point is simple. Guy said nvidia - for the last 7 years has been relying on software and RT brining single digit improvements every gen. For 7 years. That's from 2018. You agreed with that post, so my question is, if that's the case, why isn't AMD like 3 times as fast as nvidia by now? On every single segment? Something obviously does not add up here.

 

[AusWolf]

The 7900xt was 29,8% faster than the 6800xt for 39% more money. The XTX was 44% faster for 54% more money. Pretty much a regression in performance per $ but hey, ngreedia

What?

This is compared to the 6900 XT. The 7900 XTX came at the same price.

 

[wolf]

Not too many of us left that can say we're old-school ATi fans

I have some very fond ATi memories, from starting on and owning a couple of 9200/9250's, then a 9600XT and saying 'why not' to a 9800Pro. The X1950Pro was also a killer product, I had an AGP one to cling to my ageing system of the day. Then some crossfire madness with 4870's and a 5870+5850 when you could mismatch cards.

I've flip flopped a lot over the years and ATi will always have a special place in my heart.

AMD really have a chance to strike with a great product at the right time and good price here and I'll be happy to jump back in if that's the case. The gap is about as good as its been in a while imo, with seemingly super scarce RTX50 supply and the 5070/ti arriving a hit later, I really hope AMD have a winner here. I'll happily part with my hard earned if they pull it off (and local price and availability shenanigans don't tear my plans a new arse)

 

[Outback Bronze]

then a 9600XT and saying 'why not' to a 9800Pro.

I was fortunate enough to have a 9800Pro in my main PC and a 9600XT in my lan machine for my mates to use.

I remember one morning I was more interested in benchmarking between the two cards than to go play Aussie Rules Football for my local amateur club lol

 

[Assimilator]

Without being a debbie downer to all the oldies like me, can we keep the reminiscing about good old hardware out of a thread about new hardware?

 

[Denver]

The 7900xt was 29,8% faster than the 6800xt for 39% more money. The XTX was 44% faster for 54% more money. Pretty much a regression in performance per $ but hey, ngreedia

What? The 7900XT is 50-60% faster than the 6800XT in the heaviest AAA titles.

 

[JustBenching]

What? The 7900XT is 50-60% faster than the 6800XT in the heaviest AAA titles.

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The heaviest aaa titles... Man I just checked the TPU review of the card at 1440p and 4k. Thats where my numbers were taken from. Still that doesn't change much, 50% faster for 54% more money. Deal of the freaking century.

 

[Denver]

The heaviest aaa titles... Man I just checked the TPU review of the card at 1440p and 4k. Thats where my numbers were taken from. Still that doesn't change much, 50% faster for 54% more money. Deal of the freaking century.

TPU's average performance is diluted by using bad titles like Cities Skylines.

The 6800XT MSRP was U$650, the price of the 7900XT is U$800 or less, that's 50% more performance for 14% more money.

 

[wolf]

The 6800XT MSRP was U$650, the price of the 7900XT is U$800 or less, that's 50% more performance for 14% more money.

Comparing a launch MSRP VS another cards not launch and constantly moving and slipping MSRP (or discounted / suggested retail) doesn't seem completely fair. Crypto bs-ery also cooked everything RDNA2 to the point where AMD graced with the 6500XT... What I'm getting at more is it's difficult to compare prices against either as there is so much variation in what either cost VS the other when people randomly pick what point in time price they want to compare.

The 7900XT had a poorly chosen launch price but quickly fell, but the damage so to speak was done. If it launched at 799 or even better 749 USD I'd bet if would have seen far more success and overall praise.

 

[JustBenching]

TPU's average performance is diluted by using bad titles like Cities Skylines.

The 6800XT MSRP was U$650, the price of the 7900XT is U$800 or less, that's 50% more performance for 14% more money.

XT 900$ msrp
XTX 1k$ msrp

XT was 30% faster for 38% more money ( TPU review)

Thosw are the facts man, let's not dwindle on it.

 

[the54thvoid]

XT 900$ msrp
XTX 1k$ msrp

XT was 30% faster for 38% more money ( TPU review)

Thosw are the facts man, let's not dwindle on it.

If you're saying those are the facts, I hope in future arguments you use TPU's performance summary reviews as gospel. Because you don't always.

 

[Daven]

I have some very fond ATi memories, from starting on and owning a couple of 9200/9250's, then a 9600XT and saying 'why not' to a 9800Pro. The X1950Pro was also a killer product, I had an AGP one to cling to my ageing system of the day. Then some crossfire madness with 4870's and a 5870+5850 when you could mismatch cards.

I remember flashing the firmware of my 9800pro to turn it into a 9800xt using a hacked version online. I attached little copper heatsinks to each memory chip to keep it stable.

 

[Sound_Card]

AI agrees with your AI and asks a question.

""It seems you're diving deep into the nuances of advanced semiconductor manufacturing and AMD's innovative approaches. You're right in highlighting that die size alone doesn't determine performance, and AMD's evolving chiplet strategy introduces a level of flexibility and parallelism that could significantly improve efficiency without directly correlating to die size scaling.

Regarding the High-NA EUV transition, the timeline for TSMC's implementation post-N2 will indeed shape the future of chip manufacturing, especially considering the challenges of smaller reticle sizes. The exploration of chiplet-based designs, like the ones AMD is patenting, could offer more efficient solutions to maximize performance while circumventing the limitations of lithography.

You're also correct in addressing the oversimplification of shader performance improvements; other factors, such as architectural innovations and optimized memory subsystems, could contribute significantly to performance without needing to double the raw shader count. Would you say this multi-chiplet GPU approach could potentially outperform traditional monolithic designs in the long run, especially with the added flexibility for scaling performance based on workload?""

Now show us the prompt you used. : )

 

[Daven]

Without being a debbie downer to all the oldies like me, can we keep the reminiscing about good old hardware out of a thread about new hardware?

Sorry, you are right. I couldn't help myself. Back to current hardware and AMD GPU predictions.

 

[Assimilator]

TPU's average performance is diluted by using bad titles like Cities Skylines.

NVIDIA cards' average performance is similarly diluted, what's your point?

 

[eidairaman1]

Not a very good generational leap now is it, disregarding the prices.



Is that my fault?



My too

I've still got my original i7 990x, X58A OC with its DDR3 memory and my cards date back to my original 980 GTX. Every other piece of hardware I wish I really had of kept beforehand. Kind of like trophies/sedimental value for fond memories to reflect back on. I always say to myself these days, "gees, I wish I hadn't of sold that".

Problem is, it keeps getting more expensive to upgrade as I don't sell anything anymore. Gona have to burgle my local IGA for an RTX 5090

Anyways guys, I'm an old school ATi/Radeon fan so honestly can't wait for what these 9070 XT's can do and will have no hesitation on buying one if need be!

That's my guy.

Not too many of us left that can say we're old-school ATi fans. I was watching some video the other day and this youngster was declaring about nVIDIA inventions like tesselation and GPU physics.

You know, their 'technology leadership since forever'. Makes me sad people don't even remember so much crap and how nVIDIA didn't even used to know how to support color output correctly.

I was like:

"Do you remember Havok and Truform my guy? Oh wait, I don't think you were born yet."

nVIDIA marketing brainwashing and memory attrition of different days (like before project green light [limitation of overclocking/AIB designs] etc) has affected a whole generation now.

Every day this forum feels a little bit more like that guy....So, glad you're around.

When we used to run ATi and Nvidia cards back in the day, there was and still is a "Texture filtering - Quality" option in the Nvidia driver panel. When you enabled "High Quality" it matched the graphics quality of ATi cards but dropped more frames on the Nvidia cards.

Me and my mates all agreed that Nvidia's graphics were not as refined as ATi's on the "Quality Setting" and only until we set the "High Quality" setting in the Nvidia control panel did we think the graphics were then of equal quality. All benchmarks were run with the stock driver "quality" setting back in the day which gave Nvidia more frames but had a slightly more washed look compared to ATi stock driver setting.

Just little things like that we picked up

I'm still around lol