RTX 5080 - premature review - it sucks

[Knight47]

Bring your wife some flowers. Then you won't have to sleep with GPU that shits the bed.

But I want to see Tifa in bikini and my wife isn't Tifa, maybe I should buy her for $3k?

 

[remekra]

I need help how to vote with my wallet. My current gpu shits the bed in FF7 Rebirth at 1440p 60fps even if I lower the dsr to 66%. What should I do? Get a PS5 Pro? I'm waiting for the Evga 3060Ti Ftw3 since 2020, but it never arrived.

Thanks for reminding me that I'm in a queue for EVGA 3080 FTW3, should arrive any day now, need to check with EVGA.

I shall do everything my wife proposes to ensure sustainable prosperity and progress for my children as well as for my nation.

Bring your wife some flowers. Then you won't have to sleep with GPU that shits the bed.

Just tell her it's for working class AI, not some bourgeoisie gaming.

 

[mama]

They priced the 5080 the same as 4080S. It is 8% better and has MFG. Still not much for long 2,5 years of development.

Stagnation and rot, AMD too lazy to even put anything out in high performance category.

"lazy "is a lazy comment. They don't have a 5090 competitor because the business case wasn't there.

 

[_roman_]

#1

I do not know if that is a valid screenshot from igor or not.

Let's assume it is.

Igor complained in german language that some people, etc. publish beforehand technical specs about graphic cards

see: https://www.igorslab.de/nvidias-sch...he-medien-scheinbar-gleicher-sind-als-gleich/

That article was published a few days ago. In Summary what I remember - a very loose translation in my own words. Well other get contracts to not reveal specs and details of grpahic cards. While others reveal those stuff in certain videos.

Judging by the colorisation and the table style and the font - the graph most likely really orginated from someone from igor. Well in german we say: "Es gilt die Unschuldsvermutung". Somethign like he is innocent because there is no judgment from a judge yet.

It was a glitch in the publishing system, computers sometimes do that, you cannot prevent it completely... It happens even to the best of reviewers.

Yes for sure. Becuase there is no preview button.
And it is technically not possible to make an offline server to preview content.

Sorry - I do not buy that excuse. Or Fanboy Igorism.

On the other hand - a lot of igorslab website german content really looks like it was instantly typed without checking in the webpage. What I see over the years how igor write his comments, his talking style and his other things - it could be plausible he does not know the proper worklfow. He had other technical issues, mathematical issues, physic issues, electronic basic issues with his other things he did before. his fanbase most likely do not have high education or konwledge and therefore sometimes can not see how it should be done.

I will not go into details. That is how it feels to myself with my work experience, my education and my technical knowledge. Everyone can make a webpage or a video page and post stuff. Regardless of its quality or not. I'm thinking about hardwareunboxed, jay2cents, linuxtechtips especially.

igor also complained that gamersnexus buys knowledge. I wrote there that I don't get his thoughts about that complaint in german. I have not read the response yet. Certain channels buy external people to get proper content and knowledge. E.g. specialists for law in e.g. gamersnexus. Igor complaint about that in very sour german tone recently. recently = 1-3 weeks in german language on his page / forum text with his user.

 

[JustBenching]

It's not normal that GPUs like RTX 4090 can't run everything in 4K ultra on native, you are forced in games to use upscaling and FG to gain reasonable framerates.

Really? Did you ever have high end gpus in your life before? Can you tell me what gpu was able to max out every possible game ever? I've gone through plenty of high end gpus (gtx 770, 1080ti, 3090, 5870hd etc.), I couldn't max out games at over 60 fps ever. The 1080ti was actually struggling at 1080p on 2 year old games (watchdogs 2 for example).

Especially if you are talking about RT games, expecting a gpu to max it out at native 4k is just delusional. We are at least 15 years away from that.

 

[Onasi]

@JustBenching
Remember when UT2004, Doom 3 and FEAR completely shattered the kneecaps of that day fastest GPUs on, for the time, top resolutions? I remember. The whole “fastest GPU should get 60 at least at the highest mainstream available resolution” was never a thing that happened till the last few gens (and even then). This is just a return to normalcy.

 

[Dragam1337]

Same fab, with practically no arch changes, what were you expecting? Unless they'd come up with another 900series style efficiency improvement (back when they were stuck on 28n for 600/700/900 series) there was no way there'd be any real improvements. Any minor improvements likely down to D7 + whatever minor improvement the new FP32/int32 + fp32 shader tweak might occasionally bring..

900 series style improvement was never gonna happen today, cause it was specifically designed for gaming - today we just get cutdown versions of whatever they make for ai industry...

 

[JustBenching]

@JustBenching
Remember when UT2004, Doom 3 and FEAR completely shattered the kneecaps of that day fastest GPUs on, for the time, top resolutions? I remember. The whole “fastest GPU should get 60 at least at the highest mainstream available resolution” was never a thing that happened till the last few gens (and even then). This is just a return to normalcy.

Yeap, I'd add crysis 1 and 3 to the list.

Games were made with scalability in mind. You have a mid range GPU, you'll play with medium settings at best. You have a high end gpu, you might get away with high. Ultra was for gpus that weren't even released yet. Which is exactly how it should be.

Eg1. The first fear was absolutely stunning in terms of visuals and AI.

 

[Onasi]

Games were made with scalability in mind. You have a mid range GPU, you'll play with medium settings at best. You have a high end gpu, you might get away with high. Ultra was for gpus that weren't even released yet. Which is exactly how it should be.

An example of that that really sticks out (and wasn’t just devs coping for a shit port like GTA IV) was the whole Ubersampling situation in The Witcher 2. People with high end GPUs mindlessly enabled the option and went “what the hell, game runs poorly”. Yeah… yeah, it’s even written in the options that this is an extreme setting for future cards. Like, you are rendering with, what was it, 4x SSAA? Yeah, of course it will run poorly. Current day 4K on Ultra with RT bells and whistles is no different.

 

[SilentPeace]

@JustBenching
Remember when UT2004, Doom 3 and FEAR completely shattered the kneecaps of that day fastest GPUs on, for the time, top resolutions? I remember. The whole “fastest GPU should get 60 at least at the highest mainstream available resolution” was never a thing that happened till the last few gens (and even then). This is just a return to normalcy.

I don't remember UT 2004 being that demanding. Back in 2004 few people played on resolutions higher than 1280x1024 and most were still using CRT monitors anyway so playing at a lower resolution than maximum was no drama.

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[Tomgang]

Hmm. I know what i will do. I'll buy 5 rtx 5090. 4 for 4 way sli and 1 for a dedicated physx card.... Oh wait sli is dead.

Think i'll pass 5000 series and just keep my rtx 4090. 5080 dosent seems to any faster, more like slower in fact and is it worth to spend minimum 2000 usd for a 5090 for like 30 more performance over 4090. Meh i don't think

 

[Onasi]

@SilentPeace
Now enable 4xMSAA and go to 1600x1200, which was the 4K of the time. Surprise - performance drops off a cliff. If we compare to today, 1280x1024 is analogous to, like, 1440p. And no AA whatsoever analogous to running medium-high. Modern cards, even mainstream ones, are fully capable of doing that now without issue.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Igor complained in german language that some people, etc. publish beforehand technical specs about graphic cards

see: https://www.igorslab.de/nvidias-sch...he-medien-scheinbar-gleicher-sind-als-gleich/

I just read this article and his mistake in the view of the things he wrote is really unglaublich. I wonder if he made the mistake himself or one of his employees.

Sorry - I do not buy that excuse. Or Fanboy Igorism.

That was a joke, not an excuse.

 

[SilentPeace]

@SilentPeace
Now enable 4xMSAA and go to 1600x1200, which was the 4K of the time. Surprise - performance drops off a cliff. If we compare to today, 1280x1024 is analogous to, like, 1440p. And no AA whatsoever analogous to running medium-high. Modern cards, even mainstream ones, are fully capable of doing that now without issue.

I don't even understand the point of these sort of discussions. Yes if you run at resolutions hardly anyone uses, at needlessly demanding settings, performance drops off. UT2004 was a multiplayer game where competitive players played on low settings anyway because it turned off clutter and gave you an advantage.

Another game from around that time also ran well on most people's systems and looked great, Half Life 2. Ironically the graphics of that game even now 20 years later aren't dramatically worse than some modern games which are exponentially more demanding on hardware, which is down to the developers not doing good enough work.

 

[Vya Domus]

What did you expect, do people still refuse to accept that shader count and clocks are very reliable measures of performance ?

 

[Hecate91]

They priced the 5080 the same as 4080S. It is 8% better and has MFG. Still not much for long 2,5 years of development.

Stagnation and rot, AMD too lazy to even put anything out in high performance category.

A new gen based on the same architecture and fab node is the definition of laziness, it's the same kind of stagnation Intel pulled for years.
AMD deciding to exit the high end as a business decision isn't the same.

That is not insane, the software just can do things that hardware cannot support at the moment. Just do not use every single option the software can do and max all settings out.

I think this situation is better than software lagging behind and chips being underutilised.

I disagree, I'd rather have the hardware be underutilized for a year or two until the software catches up, than the hardware not being enough, forced to open my wallet upgrading again.

 

[Frick]

What did you expect, do people still refuse to accept that shader count and clocks are very reliable measures of performance ?

Not all of us follow leaks or care about shaders and stuff.

 

[wolf]

I disagree, I'd rather have the hardware be underutilized for a year or two until the software catches up, than the hardware not being enough, forced to open my wallet upgrading again.

And believe it or not, plenty of games come out that fit the bill. Maybe not the couple dozen mega AAA releases of the year, especially ones clearly shooting for the (visual) stars.

 

[Hereticbar]

@JustBenching
Remember when UT2004, Doom 3 and FEAR completely shattered the kneecaps of that day fastest GPUs on, for the time, top resolutions? I remember. The whole “fastest GPU should get 60 at least at the highest mainstream available resolution” was never a thing that happened till the last few gens (and even then). This is just a return to normalcy.

Doom 3 was brutal, thankfully you can lower the settings and not notice it because the whole game is so freaking dark and mostly tight corridors.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

What did you expect, do people still refuse to accept that shader count and clocks are very reliable measures of performance ?

Well, I think it is more logical to presume that the basic computing units of a new generation product after 2,5 years will be improved and redesigned and you will not be able to judge the performance just from numbers of these units or clocks alone.

I though that the number of the units and frequency can be used to judge performance differences of GPUs of the same generation.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

It's exactly where the specs suggested it would be. Where's my surprised face? I left it around here somewhere... Huh... Oh well, no surprise I guess. That'll be $1300-1800 please.

 

[Zazigalka]

Tbh, Ada refresh was better in terms of performance gains than blackwell. With Dlss transformer model showing no difference im performance between rtx40 and rtx50, this generation might as well not launch. The biggest upgrade will literally be gddr7 on 5060ti.

 

[pavle]

I'm 8.3% excited.

 

[mb194dc]

It's what you'd expect looking at the card specs.

RIP technical progress.

Hello to the age of BS where upscaling and otter ways of reducing image quality to increase frames is all Nvidia and AMD have to sell.

 

[bonehead123]

Well, I know this may sound harsh & hard to swallow, but...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

ps..... this is aimed at all those that fell for the same ole same same lame-assed marketing BS that nGreediya puts out, once AGAIN !