ASUS Dual GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER EVO OC Edition - stay away from this card, very hot and loud

[GrimReaper85]

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/dual/dual-rtx4070s-o12g-evo/

ASUS slapped on the same cooler on 220W 4070 Ti SUPER as on 130W 4060 and 160W 4060 Ti:

ASUS GeForce RTX 4060 Dual OC Review - The Best RTX 4060

The ASUS RTX 4060 Dual OC is priced competitively: at NVIDIA's $300 MSRP, yet offers an excellent cooler and a dual BIOS. Especially the "quiet" BIOS impressed us, it turns the card into a whisper-quiet 1080p gaming machine. The cooler comparison test in our review confirms this is the most...

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ASUS GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Dual OC Review

The ASUS GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Dual OC comes at no price increase over the $400 NVIDIA MSRP, yet includes a triple-slot thermal solution and small factory overclock. Testing in our review confirms that this card can drive nearly all titles at 1080p with well over 60 FPS, and with DLSS 3 you'll...

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That can't be a very bright idea, can it? According to Techpowerup review it's not even very good for a 160W 4060 Ti, let alone 220-242W 4070 Ti SUPER.

Quake II RTX after 20min (lately I have been using it instead of MSI Kombustor, I just like it more, I let it sit by the water at the beginning):
stock 220W, Quiet BIOS - 78°C, hot spot 91°C, memory 94°C, 2553rpm (75% fan speed), max 228.2W, avg. 215W
And this is continuous 215W, in real world you never have 100% utilization all the time. So I guess 2500-2600 rpm is absolute max.

It's actually not a non-usable card even at stock, but not if you want to enjoy some quiet game. And hot spot and memory are still in check, it's just that it needs quiet high fan rpm to cool it, but it's not like it's so hot something will burn out or throttle.

So I have made 2 Afterburner profiles to make this card usable:
1. PL 165W, no OC as it doesn't have any effect at this PL; 73°C, 1750 rpm
2. PL 180W plus OC +150/+2000 MHz, here I can actually see +3% performance with OC, and on 200W it is +5% and +8% on 220-240W; 75°C and 1950 rpm

I don't like using custom fan profiles, you lose 0 dB feature. Plus you can't make miracles with it anyway if cooler is subpar. Quiet BIOS is more than good enough, it's the stock power limit of 220W that is the problem with this card.

Another problem is fan rattling at 60-68%, mostly at 64-66%. On 180W it gets up to 59%, so I still have some headroom before they start rattling.
I actually suspected these fans aren't very good even before buying the card as I already had the ASUS Dual 3070 and one fan started rattling immediately after I let it run on 240W and 80+°C and 3000+ rpm. By far worst fans I ever had on any card. Somehow for example Gigabyte's 7-blade fans give me way better confidence than these ASUS's 11-blade fans. I'm no fan expert, but I think less blades make more robust blades. I also go by my experience, Palit GameRock 4080 9-blade fans, very robust, should work 8+ years no problem.
Dual ball bearing on this card might actually be better for longevity and rattling might actually be because of those bearings (not lubed enough?) as I already had a 3070 Aorus Master with dual ball bearings and they rattled at 1400 rpm.

It was already talked about here:

ASUS 4070 Super - regular vs EVO?

I've seen that now there are two versions of this card. Besides the smaller size of the EVO, and having read that the latter has quite different heatsinks and heatpipes inside, I can't find any detailed information or review about the EVO model. Might anyone know if these differences impact...

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ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super Dual

Very good card, I flashes it with BIOS from ASUS TUF to unlock 115% power limit. Managed to do +200/+2000/+15 stable. For benchmarks I was able to push core to +240. (3120 effective clock) and get 23000 TimeSpy, which is more than RTX 4070 Ti.

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Another 2 shitty ASUS cards:
ASUS DUAL RTX 3060 Ti V2 MINI - 200x138x38 mm and 200W, that is more like 100W cooler judging from measurements

ASUS DUAL RTX 3060 Ti V2 MINI Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1665 MHz, 4864 Cores, 152 TMUs, 80 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

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ASUS DUAL RTX 3060 Ti GDDR6X - 230x120x42 mm and 225W, in best case a 160W cooler, but better for 130W like we can see in 4060 review

ASUS DUAL RTX 3060 Ti GDDR6X Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1665 MHz, 4864 Cores, 152 TMUs, 80 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6X, 1188 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

I guess it is never good to have the same card length in mm as power consumption in Watt. At least up to 220W as 267 mm and 267W is good enough and 340 mm and 340W is more than enough.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Know these are not Asus, but have one of each.
MSI Ventus 2x 4060 doesn't seem to really get warm until I overclock it.
Same for MSI 3060 ti 2x, ran cool unless OC'ed. (sold this one)
Also have MSI 4070 Super Ventus 3x - And this card runs really cool as well.
Some 4000+ shaders difference though, from a 4060.
I really like the fans MSI uses. Usually well balanced (less vibrations) and quiet.

TPU F@H with both of these Here is example screen shot.
NOTE:
Power reduction for F@H efficiency in a cool environment.

4070 Super 3x cooler Hot Spot only 50c (65% power)
4060 standard 2x cooler Hot Spot only 40c (80% power)
Ambient is 16.9c / 62.3f

 

[freeagent]

Interesting..

 

[droopyRO]

ASUS slapped on the same cooler on 220W 4070 Ti SUPER as on 130W 4060 and 160W 4060 Ti:

Undervolt it, you should drop around 40-50W and have lower hotspot and noise. But yeah, Asus Dual is a cooler for cards that use up to 200W.

 

[Macro Device]

78°C, hot spot 91°C, memory 94°C

Not amazing but it's also not really that hot.

2553rpm

Audible.

This is acceptable for a relatively cheap AIB SKU. I wouldn't have minded buying it for my mini PC. I don't mind 7K RPM radial fans, why should I be bothered with a couple sub 3K rattlers?

Don't get me wrong, it's not a great design but you're a little overreacting.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Interesting..

4060 is a horrible purchase when a 3060 ti is just as fast but at a much lower cost.
Even worth the gamble of ebay used then kicked down the hall by the UPS guy.
The funny part is the 3060 ti was closer to 400$ (at release) vs the 300$ of the 4060 now.
And then looking deeper, I've gained dollars on the 4070 Super,
Having difficulty finding the same card for 600$.... Should I sell???!!! (No Fkn way dude)

 

[freeagent]

Its just weird that they are just sipping power like that. Is that your client settings? Did you set it to max?

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Its just weird that they are just sipping power like that. Is that your client settings? Did you set it to max?

That's the power slider in MSI AfterBurner broman. It's there in the screeny Lower to 65% 4070 Super and forget. Fan speeds are manually set 45%/50%. I could probably go passive, but the Super only defaults 30% min. Which is fine, I can't hear it anyways.

 

[freeagent]

That's the power slider in MSI AfterBurner broman. It's there in the screeny Lower to 65% 4070 Super and forget. Fan speeds are manually set 45%/50%. I could probably go passive, but the Super only defaults 30% min. Which is fine, I can't hear it anyways.

Sorry mang, haven't used that program in eons

Almost forgot what I was looking at

Edit:

I just looked at the GPUz's that's why

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Sorry mang, haven't used that program in eons

Almost forgot what I was looking at

Sorry. That is a product of "Install Display Driver Only" ..... Old Habits. Could try and install Riva Tuner 3.14 and see if it sees the card?? But I'm lazy.....

What do you use? NV Inspector & Profile Inspector?

 

[freeagent]

Sorry. That is a product of "Install Display Driver Only" ..... Old Habits. Could try and install Riva Tuner 3.14 and see if it sees the card?? But I'm lazy.....

What do you use? NV Inspector & Profile Inspector?

I use firestorm from Zotac lol, I don't think AB works with this card. I have an Asus card that is the same way.. figgers.

 

[Hyderz]

Speaking of asus their new colossal strix astral on the 50 series is super expensive and performs badly in thermals and fan noise…. I wonder what their engineers r doing

 

[Macro Device]

I wonder what their engineers r doing

Their who?

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I use firestorm from Zotac lol, I don't think AB works with this card. I have an Asus card that is the same way.. figgers.

I did not know that. I know AB works with my 980 ti, but not correctly. That one requires Precision X 16 in order to function well.

But so far, the 4060 seems cool. I should just let it run stock. It won't be warm at all 130w even if I leave the fan like 60%. The ambient is nice and cool, so no worries this time of year.

 

[freeagent]

The ambient is nice and cool, so no worries this time of year.

I let mine run at stock overnight that one time, and board power still hit 390w lol.. my clock bump does almost nothing to it power wise