ASUS Dual GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER EVO OC Edition - stay away from this card, very hot and loud

[GrimReaper85]

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/dual/dual-rtx4070s-o12g-evo/

ASUS slapped on the same cooler on 220W 4070 Ti SUPER as on 130W 4060 and 160W 4060 Ti:

ASUS GeForce RTX 4060 Dual OC Review - The Best RTX 4060

The ASUS RTX 4060 Dual OC is priced competitively: at NVIDIA's $300 MSRP, yet offers an excellent cooler and a dual BIOS. Especially the "quiet" BIOS impressed us, it turns the card into a whisper-quiet 1080p gaming machine. The cooler comparison test in our review confirms this is the most...

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ASUS GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Dual OC Review

The ASUS GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Dual OC comes at no price increase over the $400 NVIDIA MSRP, yet includes a triple-slot thermal solution and small factory overclock. Testing in our review confirms that this card can drive nearly all titles at 1080p with well over 60 FPS, and with DLSS 3 you'll...

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That can't be a very bright idea, can it? According to Techpowerup review it's not even very good for a 160W 4060 Ti, let alone 220-242W 4070 Ti SUPER.

Quake II RTX after 20min (lately I have been using it instead of MSI Kombustor, I just like it more, I let it sit by the water at the beginning):
stock 220W, Quiet BIOS - 78°C, hot spot 91°C, memory 94°C, 2553rpm (75% fan speed), max 228.2W, avg. 215W
And this is continuous 215W, in real world you never have 100% utilization all the time. So I guess 2500-2600 rpm is absolute max.

It's actually not a non-usable card even at stock, but not if you want to enjoy some quiet game. And hot spot and memory are still in check, it's just that it needs quiet high fan rpm to cool it, but it's not like it's so hot something will burn out or throttle.

So I have made 2 Afterburner profiles to make this card usable:
1. PL 165W, no OC as it doesn't have any effect at this PL; 73°C, 1750 rpm
2. PL 180W plus OC +150/+2000 MHz, here I can actually see +3% performance with OC, and on 200W it is +5% and +8% on 220-240W; 75°C and 1950 rpm

I don't like using custom fan profiles, you lose 0 dB feature. Plus you can't make miracles with it anyway if cooler is subpar. Quiet BIOS is more than good enough, it's the stock power limit of 220W that is the problem with this card.

Another problem is fan rattling at 60-68%, mostly at 64-66%. On 180W it gets up to 59%, so I still have some headroom before they start rattling.
I actually suspected these fans aren't very good even before buying the card as I already had the ASUS Dual 3070 and one fan started rattling immediately after I let it run on 240W and 80+°C and 3000+ rpm. By far worst fans I ever had on any card. Somehow for example Gigabyte's 7-blade fans give me way better confidence than these ASUS's 11-blade fans. I'm no fan expert, but I think less blades make more robust blades. I also go by my experience, Palit GameRock 4080 9-blade fans, very robust, should work 8+ years no problem.
Dual ball bearing on this card might actually be better for longevity and rattling might actually be because of those bearings (not lubed enough?) as I already had a 3070 Aorus Master with dual ball bearings and they rattled at 1400 rpm.

It was already talked about here:

ASUS 4070 Super - regular vs EVO?

I've seen that now there are two versions of this card. Besides the smaller size of the EVO, and having read that the latter has quite different heatsinks and heatpipes inside, I can't find any detailed information or review about the EVO model. Might anyone know if these differences impact...

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ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Super Dual

Very good card, I flashes it with BIOS from ASUS TUF to unlock 115% power limit. Managed to do +200/+2000/+15 stable. For benchmarks I was able to push core to +240. (3120 effective clock) and get 23000 TimeSpy, which is more than RTX 4070 Ti.

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Another 2 shitty ASUS cards:
ASUS DUAL RTX 3060 Ti V2 MINI - 200x138x38 mm and 200W, that is more like 100W cooler judging from measurements

ASUS DUAL RTX 3060 Ti V2 MINI Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1665 MHz, 4864 Cores, 152 TMUs, 80 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

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ASUS DUAL RTX 3060 Ti GDDR6X - 230x120x42 mm and 225W, in best case a 160W cooler, but better for 130W like we can see in 4060 review

ASUS DUAL RTX 3060 Ti GDDR6X Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1665 MHz, 4864 Cores, 152 TMUs, 80 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6X, 1188 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

I guess it is never good to have the same card length in mm as power consumption in Watt. At least up to 220W as 267 mm and 267W is good enough and 340 mm and 340W is more than enough.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Know these are not Asus, but have one of each.
MSI Ventus 2x 4060 doesn't seem to really get warm until I overclock it.
Same for MSI 3060 ti 2x, ran cool unless OC'ed. (sold this one)
Also have MSI 4070 Super Ventus 3x - And this card runs really cool as well.
Some 4000+ shaders difference though, from a 4060.
I really like the fans MSI uses. Usually well balanced (less vibrations) and quiet.

TPU F@H with both of these Here is example screen shot.
NOTE:
Power reduction for F@H efficiency in a cool environment.

4070 Super 3x cooler Hot Spot only 50c (65% power)
4060 standard 2x cooler Hot Spot only 40c (80% power)
Ambient is 16.9c / 62.3f

 

[freeagent]

Interesting..

 

[droopyRO]

ASUS slapped on the same cooler on 220W 4070 Ti SUPER as on 130W 4060 and 160W 4060 Ti:

Undervolt it, you should drop around 40-50W and have lower hotspot and noise. But yeah, Asus Dual is a cooler for cards that use up to 200W.

 

[Macro Device]

78°C, hot spot 91°C, memory 94°C

Not amazing but it's also not really that hot.

2553rpm

Audible.

This is acceptable for a relatively cheap AIB SKU. I wouldn't have minded buying it for my mini PC. I don't mind 7K RPM radial fans, why should I be bothered with a couple sub 3K rattlers?

Don't get me wrong, it's not a great design but you're a little overreacting.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Interesting..

4060 is a horrible purchase when a 3060 ti is just as fast but at a much lower cost.
Even worth the gamble of ebay used then kicked down the hall by the UPS guy.
The funny part is the 3060 ti was closer to 400$ (at release) vs the 300$ of the 4060 now.
And then looking deeper, I've gained dollars on the 4070 Super,
Having difficulty finding the same card for 600$.... Should I sell???!!! (No Fkn way dude)

 

[freeagent]

Its just weird that they are just sipping power like that. Is that your client settings? Did you set it to max?

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Its just weird that they are just sipping power like that. Is that your client settings? Did you set it to max?

That's the power slider in MSI AfterBurner broman. It's there in the screeny Lower to 65% 4070 Super and forget. Fan speeds are manually set 45%/50%. I could probably go passive, but the Super only defaults 30% min. Which is fine, I can't hear it anyways.

 

[freeagent]

That's the power slider in MSI AfterBurner broman. It's there in the screeny Lower to 65% 4070 Super and forget. Fan speeds are manually set 45%/50%. I could probably go passive, but the Super only defaults 30% min. Which is fine, I can't hear it anyways.

Sorry mang, haven't used that program in eons

Almost forgot what I was looking at

Edit:

I just looked at the GPUz's that's why

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Sorry mang, haven't used that program in eons

Almost forgot what I was looking at

Sorry. That is a product of "Install Display Driver Only" ..... Old Habits. Could try and install Riva Tuner 3.14 and see if it sees the card?? But I'm lazy.....

What do you use? NV Inspector & Profile Inspector?

 

[freeagent]

Sorry. That is a product of "Install Display Driver Only" ..... Old Habits. Could try and install Riva Tuner 3.14 and see if it sees the card?? But I'm lazy.....

What do you use? NV Inspector & Profile Inspector?

I use firestorm from Zotac lol, I don't think AB works with this card. I have an Asus card that is the same way.. figgers.

 

[Hyderz]

Speaking of asus their new colossal strix astral on the 50 series is super expensive and performs badly in thermals and fan noise…. I wonder what their engineers r doing

 

[Macro Device]

I wonder what their engineers r doing

Their who?

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I use firestorm from Zotac lol, I don't think AB works with this card. I have an Asus card that is the same way.. figgers.

I did not know that. I know AB works with my 980 ti, but not correctly. That one requires Precision X 16 in order to function well.

But so far, the 4060 seems cool. I should just let it run stock. It won't be warm at all 130w even if I leave the fan like 60%. The ambient is nice and cool, so no worries this time of year.

 

[freeagent]

The ambient is nice and cool, so no worries this time of year.

I let mine run at stock overnight that one time, and board power still hit 390w lol.. my clock bump does almost nothing to it power wise

 

[GrimReaper85]

Undervolt it, you should drop around 40-50W and have lower hotspot and noise. But yeah, Asus Dual is a cooler for cards that use up to 200W.

With undervolting you are leaving a lot of performance on the table compared to power limit while still using the same amount of power at least in RT games.

750 mV + OC
RT games (Quake II RTX) - I get 90% of PL 180W performance with 178W which is almost the same consumption and thus temperature and rpms
raster games (SOTTR) - I only get 82% of PL 180W performance with 110-160W, avg. around 140W, which is actually same P/W as PL 180W, but I don't want to lose almost 20% performance

I got to the same conclusion with 4080 when I limited it to 850 mV, and 4090 was also better on PL. In latest 3 3DMarks I then got 205, 232 and 225W. I don't want that, I rather always have 70% power limit (238W).
Because I target consumption I want and I get the best performance if I just let power limit do its thing. Voltage is better to keep alone so that it always boosts frequencies as max as they can go.

Only on GA102 3080 with Samsung 10nm node with terrible efficiency I had 775 mV set as I noticed benefits of having 250-280W instead of fixed 270W.

Actually I hear all over the internet about how good undervolting is, but I just don't see the benefits. In the end, it is still the power which affects temperature and rpms. Some even thought frequency affects temperature and rpms which of course is not true, you can have 200W 100 MHz or 200W 2000 MHz and temperature and rpms will be the same.

 

[droopyRO]

With undervolting you are leaving a lot of performance on the table compared to power limit

Nope, it's the same frequency with 0% loss of performance, but about -6ºC and 40W less power consumption.
Did you try to undervolt your card using this method ?

 

[GrimReaper85]

Yes, but that's a noob way of doing it simply because he doesn't know you can drag a purple belt with SHIFT + left mouse button and then drag the whole curve down from the max voltage you want to have.
Like this you can properly increase the clock speed and not decrease it like he did.
That is so 2020 way of doing it and video is from 2020. I also did it like this back then simply because of these wrong guides. Since then people learned Afterburner controls and know how to do it properly.
End result is actually pretty much the same as GPU utilization in games is high almost all the time anyway, so the first part of the curve doesn't matter that much. But it could be higher if he increased the clock.

And this is for 3080/3090, I said with these cards undervolting actually makes sense, but not so much with Lovelace.

I tried many undervolts with 4070S, 4080 and 4090. But as I said, voltage is a stronger cap than just power, so you lose performance.
For example better than to have max 900 mV which gives you max 2550 MHz on 4070S, with power limit 180W you get max 2985 MHz. FPS in this case is the same, but Wattage is 5-10W lower, in RT games even 25W.
If not anything else, with voltage capping it is hard to find something to your liking if your goal is a certain Wattage number. You can of course combine voltage + power cap, but then you lose performance in any case compared to just power cap.

 

[droopyRO]

so you lose performance.

I have no idea what you are doing to loose performance, but i don't loose any. My voltage is 950mV and frequency 2700Mhz on my 4070. Zero performance loss, -6ºC and -40W.
It's an older video:

 

[eidairaman1]

Lose

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Lose

Well, I'm not sure who lost.... wait. What??

Grime says power reduction doesn't lower the frequency. And that's after I posted a screen shot showing otherwise.

While droop here says 2700mhz at .950, but reviews show this to be in the ballpark. While TPU review shows a furmark render 2747mhz at .910v only....

I'm folding at the home, so am not testing this. Just what I have observed aside from a misspelling lol.

 

[GrimReaper85]

I have no idea what you are doing to loose performance, but i don't loose any. My voltage is 950mV and frequency 2700Mhz on my 4070. Zero performance loss, -6ºC and -40W.

Hm, that is very impressive. But it seems impossible for me, I just can't get such a result that at such low power there is still stock performance.
It's most probably 4070 vs. 4070S as here 2 guys also get great results with 4070:

And in second video is a good undervolting tutorial with preferred method I am also using.

Grime says power reduction doesn't lower the frequency. And that's after I posted a screen shot showing otherwise.

Of course power reduction lowers frequency. But only average frequency, in GPU-Z you can still see max is almost the same as stock, even if it reaches it for only a millisecond. And this does matter as by my testing using voltage cap lowers even your max frequency, with only power limit it can simply boost higher.

If I go check my results with similar Wattage in SOTTR:
max 900 mV + OC, power limit stock 220W - max 194W, avg. 175W, 73°C, 1825 rpm, max frequency 2550 MHz, 180 FPS
max 180W + OC - max 187W, avg. 180W, 74°C, 1760 rpm, max frequency 2985 MHz, 180 FPS

In SOTTR undervolt works quite fine. But what about demanding RT game like Quake II RTX, then I get:
max 900 mV + OC, power limit stock 220W - 205W, 88.7 FPS, that is worse FPS/100W and on top of that it goes way above 180W, and if I use PL 180W on top of that, I lose performance, 79.3 FPS, that is 8% worse than simply using PL 180W as then card can boost higher, up to 1.1V (of course for way less time than if I had PL 220W)
max 180W + OC - 180W, 86 FPS

I can't make it more clear than this.

I would have to check average frequency with both settings, but with max 180W it is probably around 2600 MHz, should be similar as with 900 mV if I get the same FPS.
I would also have to test the latest 5 3DMarks with 900 mV and compare to my PL 180W results.


EDIT:
I have results now, but I don't know what I am trying to prove here. Of course the higher the voltage, the better it will be. Capping voltage + power is worse than just capping power.
max 900 mV + OC, power limit 180W - max 183W, avg. 175W, 73°C, 1720 rpm, max frequency 2550 MHz, avg. frequency 2340 MHz, max voltage 0.925V, avg. voltage 0.925V, 178 FPS
power limit 180W + OC - max 186W, avg. 180W, 74°C, 1760 rpm, max frequency 2985 MHz, avg. frequency 2514 MHz, max voltage 1.1V, avg. voltage 0.937V, 181 FPS

Yes, I know you say 950 mV. But then it is even higher Wattage if you don't use power limit on top of that. Plus as I already proved, everything lower than stock 1.1V will get you worse performance, so no amount of undervolting makes sense.

 

[GerKNG]

i have the regular one and the memory gets a bit warm but the rest is fine.
this is a bad new model and i'd avoid it but still... even 90°C Core and 100°C+ Hotspot and Memory runs just fine for many years.

 

[GrimReaper85]

Yes, I made same conclusion that the card should work for many years. It's just that it is too loud on stock. I don't play just loud FPS games so it is for sure too loud if it goes above 2000 rpm.

 

[Knight47]

Another problem is fan rattling at 60-68%, mostly at 64-66%. On 180W it gets up to 59%, so I still have some headroom before they start rattling.
I also go by my experience, Palit GameRock 4080 9-blade fans, very robust, should work 8+ years no problem.
Dual ball bearing on this card might actually be better for longevity and rattling might actually be because of those bearings (not lubed enough?) as I already had a 3070 Aorus Master with dual ball bearings and they rattled at 1400 rpm.

Yeah the Dual Evo is known for being hot and loud.
Gigabyte is known for fan rattle.
Palit uses trash fans too that makes humming motor noise, way more annoying than Arctic P12/P14, only the deaf can't hear it.