RTX 5080 - premature review - it sucks

[AusWolf]

I feel like RT is moderately following the same general initial overhype path we saw with Physx and then developer regression and general lack of targeted implementation that a initial hype demonstrative push. Like looking PhysX today it's still not even close to what was projected. Like where are our hundreds of thousands of leaves that blow around and get kicked around and fall off tree's in games that add to the immersion factor? Like I can't think of a single game I've encountered that has done that on any significant level that was impressive at all in terms visual effect let alone done so in a manner that has minimal impact due to hardware acceleration.

Now that you mentioned it, those hundreds of leaves blowing in the wind would make my immersion a lot more intense than some shiny puddles. I just remembered how excited I was when Ageia (not Nvidia) PhysX came around. I thought it would gain a lot more traction when Nvidia bought the company. Well, it didn't.

 

[JustBenching]

I feel like RT is moderately following the same general initial overhype path we saw with Physx and then developer regression and general lack of targeted implementation that a initial hype demonstrative push. Like looking PhysX today it's still not even close to what was projected. Like where are our hundreds of thousands of leaves that blow around and get kicked around and fall off tree's in games that add to the immersion factor? Like I can't think of a single game I've encountered that has done that on any significant level that was impressive at all in terms visual effect let alone done so in a manner that has minimal impact due to hardware acceleration.

All three gpu companies are focused on RT, consoles are now focused and targeting RT, most aaa games have RT implemented. It's not going anywhere.

 

[TSiAhmat]

Current cheapest 4080 super is around 1200 € in my country. (was 999€ 2~3 Months ago)

Spoiler

The cheapest 5080 is 1169 € MSRP (which you cant buy)

Basically 11 % Performance increase for at least 16% price increase. (P/P decrease)

Sad times for my Region...

Now that you mentioned it, those hundreds of leaves blowing in the wind would make my immersion a lot more intense than some shiny puddles. I just remembered how excited I was when Ageia (not Nvidia) PhysX came around. I thought it would gain a lot more traction when Nvidia bought the company. Well, it didn't.

I assume we get something new and shiny from Nvidia/AMD/Intel when RT performance-cost, implementation & looks is mostly solved. (which will still take some years/generations)


Edit:

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Just look at these prices ;-;

 

[SugarDunkerton]

In the US if you can snag a 5089 it's $400 cheaper than a used 4080 and $700 cheaper than a 4090. So it's cost effective if you get any MSRP launch model. A used 4080 should be $800-900 but people keep thinking the 40 series is better.

 

[Assimilator]

Now that you mentioned it, those hundreds of leaves blowing in the wind would make my immersion a lot more intense than some shiny puddles. I just remembered how excited I was when Ageia (not Nvidia) PhysX came around. I thought it would gain a lot more traction when Nvidia bought the company. Well, it didn't.

It didn't get traction for the same reason most technologies don't: it required a lot of work by developers to implement and there were stronger, more feasible competitors e.g. Havok.

Sadly there are a whole bunch of good technologies (including ray-/path-tracing) that could provide a far more immersive gaming experience, but because game dev is now about making money as opposed to making good games or pushing boundaries, these techs don't get implemented. For example, we probably won't ever see another Crysis.

Semi-related: if you want a game that innovates using nothing more than audio, I suggest giving Betrayer a look if you haven't already.

 

[AusWolf]

Semi-related: if you want a game that innovates using nothing more than audio, I suggest giving Betrayer a look if you haven't already.

Interesting - even more so that I seem to have it in my library. I'll check it out.

Speaking of audio, Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice was another interesting one for me. I didn't understand why the game opened with recommending headphones until I started playing it.

 

[_roman_]

Current cheapest 4080 super is around 1200 € in my country. (was 999€ 2~3 Months ago)

Spoiler

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PC games hardware claimed a few hours ago that the 4080 super left kinda fast the market.

Geforce RTX 4080 Super verlässt fluchtartig den Markt

Nach dem (misslungenen) Launch der RTX 5090 und 5080 wird das Angebot der Geforce RTX 4080 Super auf dem Markt immer dünner und die Preise steigen.

www.pcgameshardware.de

4090 is also gone.

the left pieces are expensive. You have the same for certain eol amd graphic cards also on geizhals = price comparison site in german language in central europe / poland / uk

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Do not take it personally. When you are a gamer and do not have a graphic card - it was your choice. I was 2023 after the nvidia 960 gtx several months without a graphic card and than after the radeon 6800 non xt several months without a graphic card. I bought and sold lots of hardware in 2023. AM4 switch to am5. testing different graphic cards - 960 was used purchase.

Therse are not hard times - these are your choices to speculate with cheaper better new graphic cards.

 

[TSiAhmat]

the left pieces are expensive. You have the same for certain eol amd graphic cards also on geizhals = price comparison site in german language in central europe / poland / uk

eh yeah, but the 7900xtx is currently around 899 € (300€ less than the 4080S) or what eol amd cards are you talking about?

 

[AusWolf]

PC games hardware claimed a few hours ago that the 4080 super left kinda fast the market.

Geforce RTX 4080 Super verlässt fluchtartig den Markt

Nach dem (misslungenen) Launch der RTX 5090 und 5080 wird das Angebot der Geforce RTX 4080 Super auf dem Markt immer dünner und die Preise steigen.

www.pcgameshardware.de

4090 is also gone.

the left pieces are expensive. You have the same for certain eol amd graphic cards also on geizhals = price comparison site in german language in central europe / poland / uk

Clearing stock during a generation change is normal. The question is, how long can stores carry on selling nothing - how long AMD and Nvidia will continue to let them.

 

[_roman_]

I feel like RT is moderately following the same general initial overhype path we saw with Physx and then developer regression and general lack of targeted implementation that a initial hype demonstrative push.

I see it as technical demonstrations. Nvidia paid for certain software. There are only 3 or 4 games which are always taken with bad graphics.

Maybe someone knows in details. I do not really care for nvidia details. Which games were heavily sponsored with nvidia software feature a, b, c, d which amd graphic cards do not have.

GTA V+ advanced edition with bad reflextion, wizard flying simulator, alan sleeps now

eh yeah, but the 7900xtx is currently around 899 € (300€ less than the 4080S) or what eol amd cards are you talking about?

I thought about the 7900 gre which had extreme price hikes in past weeks. It seems to be fine now on geizhals.
Radeon 6800 non xt seems to have a few pieces again for sale. These were also gone already in past months.

I missed my chances for the 7900 gre. I waited too long. The card came quite late. Same as the 7500f - that came also quite late to the local purchaseable market.

 

[TSiAhmat]

I thought about the 7900 gre which had extreme price hikes in past weeks. It seems to be fine now on geizhals.
Radeon 6800 non xt seems to have a few pieces again for sale. These were also gone already in past months.

I missed my chances for the 7900 gre. I waited too long. The card came quite late. Same as the 7500f - that came also quite late to the local purchaseable market.

Oh yeah I see it now, makes no sense to go for the gre if you can get the 7900xt for the same or less money