What is the point of 9800X3D in 4k? Isn't 9950X better at the same price?

[Frizz]

Can we please remove brain rot comments and get an actual explanation of why the OP should upgrade to a 9800x3d for 4K gaming as TPU data is showing little to no difference in the relative performance summary for Max Avg and Min at 4K.

I am personally invested as also have my trigher finger on the 9950x3d but there is LITTLE to NO reliable data apart from what TPU has shown.

 

[freeagent]

9800X3D for the win, because 2 things.

1 higher effective clock rates.
2. Doesn't really care what ram you use.

More listed different importance.

Is advertised and designed for Gaming.
Proves it's better on consistent results.
Gaming Flagship CPU.

9950X - cause you want cores, like to tweak memory settings, and want cores.

Question.
What game is putting either CPU at 100% load all cores??

Love the click title of this thread. But realizing 4K, must meaning gaming?????

98X3D is stronger than my 5900X in R23

 

[ShrimpBrime]

98X3D is stronger than my 5900X in R23

Pure muscle. 8/16t, low wattage man, only 170w. Very impressive chip. I'd sell my Intel set up to fund it, but I've abused it too much for that.

 

[phanbuey]

Can we please remove brain rot comments and get an actual explanation of why the OP should upgrade to a 9800x3d for 4K gaming as TPU data is showing little to no difference in the relative performance summary for Max Avg and Min at 4K.

I am personally invested as also have my trigher finger on the 9950x3d but there is LITTLE to NO reliable data apart from what TPU has shown.

1. Current gpus will not show a big difference at native 4k with RT enabled (TPU splits tests with and without RT on). If you play at native 4K with RT on, then your CPU is not llikely to be the bottleneck.

Get the 9800X3D/9950X3D if:

1. you will tweak game settings to get max fps (DLSS on, details on high instead of ULTRA etc.)
2. you plan on upgrading your GPU in the future, and dont want to upgrade CPU.
3. you play/will play more modern cpu demanding games with above tweaked settings.

Get the non-X3D if:

1. You play with eyecandy cranked.
2. You plan to upgrade CPU often, and will upgrade to zen6 anywyas when it's out along with GPU.
3. You don't want to deal with fewer cores or core parking of the 9950X3D.

 

[Toss]

You plan to upgrade CPU often, and will upgrade to zen6 anywyas when it's out.

isn't it that 16 cores more futureproof than 8???

 

[phanbuey]

isn't it that 16 cores more futureproof than 8???

Possible but unlikely.
Example: 5950x vs 5800X3D - it's really showing the gap now in favor of the 5800x3d (in games) with the 4090 whereas with 3090 before it was the same story as 9800x3d vs 9950x now.

By the 6090 release you will have zen 6 with more core per CCD and new IO die, so likely the 9950x will get gapped pretty hard, as will the 9800X3D but less so due to the 3D cache, and that 30% you see now at 720P and 1080P will surface.

 

[freeagent]

Is 16 more future proof?

I thought it would be when I built this unit in like 2020ish, now 9800X3D smokes my 5900X in R23, and many others. Best I can do with PBO is like 23,7.. 98X3D is doing like 25 or more I think

 

[dirtyferret]

isn't it that 16 cores more futureproof than 8???

Don't confuse cores with performance, two separate things. A more powerful gaming CPU is better in the long run than one with more cores but performs worse in gaming which is why the six core 5600x is a better gaming CPU than the eight core 2700x.

 

[harm9963]

Surly someone here has a 2077 in there game library , plus a 4090 and 9800X3D , run its benchmark at 4K MAX PT RT FG RR DLSSQ to compare !

 

[dirtyferret]

Can we please remove brain rot comments and get an actual explanation of why the OP should upgrade to a 9800x3d for 4K gaming as TPU data is showing little to no difference in the relative performance summary for Max Avg and Min at 4K.

I am personally invested as also have my trigher finger on the 9950x3d but there is LITTLE to NO reliable data apart from what TPU has shown.

Because the OP is building a new PC and listed one of only two CPUs options. Stating why the 9800X3D is the better choice has already been done by a half dozen people, it's the better CPU as proven by all their test results. The 9950X3D is yet to launch so there are no reviews on it so how can TPU show any test results on it?

The use case is 4K by the OP thus please explain the benefit of a 9800x3d over the 7700 in 4K based off TPUs Max Avg and Min FPS.

no it is not, his case does not include the 7700. He never mentioned it
the main benefit being the 9800X3D will perform better in more demanding games, games that can take full advantage to the extra cache, and future GPU upgrades when the RTX5090 can no longer offer the performance the OP wants.

The test I quoted is only 1080p Native

if someone needs to explain why CPU tests are done at low resolution one more time in this this thread we may all be up for a some sort of redundancy (and possibly ignorance) prize

But his test pretty much only shows that unsurprisingly 1200P isn't that different compared to 1080p.

through the sure miracle of the latin alphabet & basic reading compression we are able to understand exactly what the writer believes his test shows and it makes a double wammy as it actually answers Frizz's question as well. (again)

What We Learned​

Hopefully, by this point, you understand why testing CPU performance with a strong GPU bottleneck is a flawed approach and significantly more misleading than the well-established testing methods used by nearly all tech media outlets.

We get why some readers prefer what's often referred to as "real-world" testing, but in the context of CPU benchmarks, it doesn't actually provide the insight you might think – unless you plan on using that exact hardware combo under those specific conditions.

Moreover, CPU reviews aren't meant to push you into upgrading your CPU or upsell you on a more expensive one. The purpose of low-resolution testing is to inform you of the real performance and value the CPU offers in today's games, especially in the most demanding sections, and often gives a glimpse of how things might look in the future.

There are also aspects you need to work out on your end – whether you actually need a CPU upgrade and, if so, what that upgrade should look like. As we've said multiple times, if you're more of a casual gamer, mainly playing single-player games at around 60 fps, chances are you're not CPU-limited, unless you have a very old CPU. If that's the case, you're probably interested in a more cost-effective upgrade, like a Ryzen 5 7600 or Ryzen 7 7700X....

Alternatively, if you're after high-end performance and want the best of the best, you don't need to look at cost-per-frame data – just go for the fastest gaming CPU, which is currently the 9800X3D. Low-resolution benchmarks confirm this, and we're confident future titles will show similar results to what we saw when comparing the Ryzen 3000 and 5000 series processors.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Can we please remove brain rot comments and get an actual explanation of why the OP should upgrade to a 9800x3d for 4K gaming as TPU data is showing little to no difference in the relative performance summary for Max Avg and Min at 4K.

I am personally invested as also have my trigher finger on the 9950x3d but there is LITTLE to NO reliable data apart from what TPU has shown.

I do strictly competitive benchmarking and follow performance trends.

9800X3D is a monster 8c16t CPU. Intel offers nothing current to compete with it. It's faster than most everything except maybe a 14900K.

AM5 will have another stack of processors released on current chipset, so the board has you future proofed, not the cpu.

 

[Frizz]

I do strictly competitive benchmarking and follow performance trends.

9800X3D is a monster 8c16t CPU. Intel offers nothing current to compete with it. It's faster than most everything except maybe a 14900K.

AM5 will have another stack of processors released on current chipset, so the board has you future proofed, not the cpu.

Good for you honestly, but again detracting from the actual question and diving into brain rot territory "JuST Get tHe 98003xD iNteL sux".

The actual question which some people have already provided meaningful answers to is what does a high end cpu have to offer over budget cpus at 4k when TPU data shows less than 5 fps difference in AVG Max and Min

 

[dgianstefani]

Good for you honestly, but again detracting from the actual question and diving into brain rot territory "JuST Get tHe 98003xD iNteL sux".

The actual question which some people have already provided meaningful answers to is what does a high end cpu have to offer over budget cpus at 4k when TPU data shows less than 5 fps difference in AVG Max and Min

The only "brain rot" here seems to be coming from those who can't disconnect bigger number from better. No, the 9950X isn't better than the 9800X3D. That's why they're the same price.

 

[Frizz]

The only "brain rot" here seems to be coming from those who can't disconnect bigger number from better. No, the 9950X isn't better than the 9800X3D. That's why they're the same price.

Im still lost ive historically used tpus max min avg to determine what CPU ill buy and there seems to be something more than minimum average and maximum fps to look at..

I may pull the trigger on the 9950x3d when it comes out and if I dont see an improvment you all owe me a million dollars.

 

[dirtyferret]

The actual question which some people have already provided meaningful answers to is what does a high end cpu have to offer over budget cpus at 4k when TPU data shows less than 5 fps difference in AVG Max and Min

because on a timeline of X amount of GPU generations the 1080p performance will be the 4k performance. When you go back and test these games with the RTX 8090 or RTX 9090; the 12900k will never break 145 FPS avg in 4k, the 7700x will never break 156 FPS avg in 4k, and so on.*

*test suite avg

 

[dgianstefani]

because on a timeline of X amount of GPU generations the 1080p performance will be the 4k performance. When you go back and test these games with the RTX 8090 or 9090; the 12900k will never break 145 FPS avg in 4k, the 7700x will never break 156 FPS avg in 4k, and so on.

Really not a difficult concept yet so many struggle to the point where I start to wonder if they're deliberately being obtuse.

We've seen this pattern for how many years? Decades?

The person paying $2000+ just on GPU should get the fastest CPU available.

/thread

 

[Dr. Dro]

Really not a difficult concept yet so many struggle to the point where I start to wonder if they're deliberately being obtuse.

We've seen this pattern for how many years? Decades?

The person paying $2000+ just on GPU should get the fastest CPU available.

/thread

Every concept becomes heinously difficult when feelings are involved

 

[damric]

I do wish the 16 core CPUs got cache on both sides. One day maybe.

 

[Frizz]

Really not a difficult concept yet so many struggle to the point where I start to wonder if they're deliberately being obtuse.

We've seen this pattern for how many years? Decades?

The person paying $2000+ just on GPU should get the fastest CPU available.

/thread

I mean you cant blame people for going off something actually measurable and logical using TPU data. I get it now that people look at this through a longer timeline than I do. I upgrade every 1 to 2 generations by selling off my older components. Hence by the time I upgrade to a 8090/9090 my platform will also be current.

 

[freeagent]

9950X is 110 beaver bux more expensive than 9800X3D up here on the tundra

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Good for you honestly, but again detracting from the actual question and diving into brain rot territory "JuST Get tHe 98003xD iNteL sux".

The actual question which some people have already provided meaningful answers to is what does a high end cpu have to offer over budget cpus at 4k when TPU data shows less than 5 fps difference in AVG Max and Min

High end over budget?

Did you even read the Fkn title to the thread?
Where the Fk is a 9950X3D you're "about to pull the trigger on"?

And also put words into my mouth? I never said Intel sucks, that's my main 3D benching platform because up till 9800X3D, AMD had nothing close to it's performance. And in some cases still does not, for various reasons.

And I have also stated several reasons why the 9800X3D is a better gaming CPU than the 9950X.

I cut trolls off at the knees. Please, try not to troll me.

 

[Denver]

It is a mistake to consider these limited tests of a few minutes as representative of the overall in-game performance and experience. You can do a test in area X and measure a 5% difference and say "Meh", but later on in another denser location or with more simulations going on simultaneously, the hit goes up to 20%, and you'll certainly notice it.

Not to mention simulators or poorly optimized games that simply run much better on CPUs with 3D V-cache regardless of resolution.

Either X3D is divinely good or Arrow lake is just very bad:

 

[Frick]

Can we please remove brain rot comments and get an actual explanation of why the OP should upgrade to a 9800x3d for 4K gaming as TPU data is showing little to no difference in the relative performance summary for Max Avg and Min at 4K.

I am personally invested as also have my trigher finger on the 9950x3d but there is LITTLE to NO reliable data apart from what TPU has shown.

One example. Some games (CPU bound ones, like simulators and strategy) really loves x3d stuff.

 

[Frizz]

Im genuinely curious based on everyones response the 9800X3D is smoother even in 4K despite whats show on the TPU charts, I am testing this today for my own sanity and will stop hijacking this thread thanks.

@Frick I get this part however the arguement is that its just smoother overall despite Max Avg Min shown on TPU I am not sure what else its measured on so far so to me its all heresay right now. So what better way to test by seeing it myself.

 

[Lionheart]

4 pages of deciding between 2 CPU's??? Wait for the 9950X3D and get the best of both worlds, the end.