RTX 5090 ridiculous price!

[lexluthermiester]

If you want to have a laugh at ridiculous prices for the 5090s, check out fleabay I saw some up to $10,000AU, that's roughly $7,500US, maybe slightly less

We're seeing some of that state-side. Some are selling through but many are not. People seem to be getting smarter and waiting for stocks to come in.

 

[Dragam1337]

It's neither, it's just life. Millions of people just in the US alone splurge on things like luxury cars, huge mansion houses, expensive country club memberships, suite tickets for the local sports teams. The only problem with a hobby (like PC gaming) getting popular is now you got people in the top 5% income bracket interested and they aren't interested in bang for your buck or value for the dollar they just want performance.



Exactly. It's not like people are pulling risky high interest loans to buy these cards, it's just people that have lots of disposable money are now interested because the hobby is becoming more popular. Every hobby I've ever done in the last 15 years has gone through phases of this (PC gaming, trading cards, retro cars, vintage guitars, golf).

There is a world outside the us, you know - in fact the vast majority of the world is outside the us.

And if nvidia purely caters to rich 'muricans going forward, then i can see a sharp decline in their popularity in the near future amongst gamers.

If you want to have a laugh at ridiculous prices for the 5090s, check out fleabay I saw some up to $10,000AU, that's roughly $7,500US, maybe slightly less

Scalpers charging crazy prices is not too surprising... asus selling 5090's on their own webstore for 5k usd however...

 

[Draconian]

AMD bowed out of competing with this generation - rang the dinner bell for NVIDIA.
NVIDIA knows you will grumble about the price. They also don't care if you grumble, they are fully aware that there are plenty of people that will fork out outlandish money for the card - especially proven by the 4090 - every one they build is immediately sold and used cards are almost as expensive (and sometimes more expensive because of supply / demand) as new cards. A.I. is also driving the prices - huge demand plus deep pockets - why would NVIDIA sell a 5090 for a reasonable price to a PC user when they can sell the same card for A.I. at a steep price? NVIDIA knows A.I. folks will pay 2K+ for the card - so....you will too.

 

[Bomby569]

AMD bowed out of competing with this generation - rang the dinner bell for NVIDIA.
NVIDIA knows you will grumble about the price. They also don't care if you grumble, they are fully aware that there are plenty of people that will fork out outlandish money for the card - especially proven by the 4090 - every one they build is immediately sold and used cards are almost as expensive (and sometimes more expensive because of supply / demand) as new cards. A.I. is also driving the prices - huge demand plus deep pockets - why would NVIDIA sell a 5090 for a reasonable price to a PC user when they can sell the same card for A.I. at a steep price? NVIDIA knows A.I. folks will pay 2K+ for the card - so....you will too.

Even when AMD doesn't bow, they shoot their own feet. Not sure it matters much what AMD does at this point. Wishful thinking.

 

[Dragam1337]

AMD bowed out of competing with this generation - rang the dinner bell for NVIDIA.
NVIDIA knows you will grumble about the price. They also don't care if you grumble, they are fully aware that there are plenty of people that will fork out outlandish money for the card - especially proven by the 4090 - every one they build is immediately sold and used cards are almost as expensive (and sometimes more expensive because of supply / demand) as new cards. A.I. is also driving the prices - huge demand plus deep pockets - why would NVIDIA sell a 5090 for a reasonable price to a PC user when they can sell the same card for A.I. at a steep price? NVIDIA knows A.I. folks will pay 2K+ for the card - so....you will too.

That's the entire issue with nvidia only making 1 achitecture. It's a general purpose accelerator card, and now primarily being optimized towards ai workloads. A gpu being purely being optimized towards gaming could be stripped from much of the fluff, giving you more performance with a smaller chip at less powerdraw... and then gamers wouldn't be competiting for the same chips as server / ai market. Worked great the last time they did it with the 900 series.

 

[igormp]

That's the entire issue with nvidia only making 1 achitecture. It's a general purpose accelerator card, and now primarily being optimized towards ai workloads. A gpu being purely being optimized towards gaming could be stripped from much of the fluff, giving you more performance with a smaller chip at less powerdraw... and then gamers wouldn't be competiting for the same chips as server / ai market. Worked great the last time they did it with the 900 series.

900 series was maxwell, which was also used on tesla and quadro products in the same manner as it is today.
Problem with different architectures is that you end up having to do more R&D work, and you also face issues when it comes to chip allocation. Just see how RDNA is struggling compared to CDNA on AMD'a aide.
OTOH, their Zen stack follows the 1 architecture idea, and can be used for both Ryzen and Epyc setups, similar to how nvidia does with their chips.

 

[Dragam1337]

900 series was maxwell, which was also used on tesla and quadro products in the same manner as it is today.
Problem with different architectures is that you end up having to do more R&D work, and you also face issues when it comes to chip allocation. Just see how RDNA is struggling compared to CDNA on AMD'a aide.
OTOH, their Zen stack follows the 1 architecture idea, and can be used for both Ryzen and Epyc setups, similar to how nvidia does with their chips.

You are correct, my memory failed me there in regards to 900 series

More than 1 architecture would perhaps be bad for nvidia, but i am 100% certain it would be better for consumers, if we didn't have to compete with non-gaming workloads.

 

[igormp]

You are correct, my memory failed me there in regards to 900 series

More than 1 architecture would perhaps be bad for nvidia, but i am 100% certain it would be better for consumers, if we didn't have to compete with non-gaming workloads.

Not really. It'd mean that no focus whatsoever would be placed on the consumer products.
Currently, consumers can at least get some "leftovers". The supply of chips is limited, and the demand is way higher in the datacenter side of things.

 

[tussinman]

There is a world outside the us, you know - in fact the vast majority of the world is outside the us.

Doesn't change anything I wrote. There are rich people everywhere and the problem with hobbies getting popular is now those rich people want in on the action.

And if nvidia purely caters to rich 'muricans going forward, then i can see a sharp decline in their popularity in the near future amongst gamers.

Nvidia doesn't care. If they make x amounts of 5090s and they all sell, then that's all they care about. I don't think they even plan on selling a sub $350 card this gen so if they are targeting upper-middle class and higher bracket than it's time for someone like AMD or Intel to step up to the plate for the budget tier.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Nvidia doesn't care. If they make x amounts of 5090s and they all sell, then that's all they care about. I don't think they even plan on selling a sub $350 card this gen so if they are targeting upper-middle class and higher bracket than it's time for someone like AMD or Intel to step up to the plate for the budget tier.

I expect 299/399 base msrp again for the 5060/5060ti will they actually hit those prices at retail is another story

They also likely won't be noticeably better than what they replace so that's still an L in my book.

 

[tussinman]

I expect 299/399 base msrp again for the 5060/5060ti will they actually hit those prices at retail is another story

They also likely won't be noticeably better than what they replace so that's still an L in my book.

Correct. I only wrote $350 because I'm assuming in order for it to be an increase in performance they'll have to use the more expensive 106 die. Last gen the 4060 was on a 107 die which is technically xx50 tier

 

[mama]

Given the poor release volume and the ludicrous scalper pricing now set by AIBs, people who need a card should just get the 4080S or 7900XTX and be done with it (particularly if we are talking about waiting for the 5080).

 

[evernessince]

Doesn't change anything I wrote. There are rich people everywhere and the problem with hobbies getting popular is now those rich people want in on the action.

Nvidia doesn't care. If they make x amounts of 5090s and they all sell, then that's all they care about. I don't think they even plan on selling a sub $350 card this gen so if they are targeting upper-middle class and higher bracket than it's time for someone like AMD or Intel to step up to the plate for the budget tier.

I don't believe it's rich people but businesses and individuals getting in on the AI action. AI can already be used to automate and speed up a lot of different kinds of work. It can even be used to allow smaller groups of people achieve something that would ordinarily take a much larger team.

It's like what crypto did to GPUs only several times worse. Our only hope is that good ASICs roll around that replace GPUs for AI tasks.

 

[tussinman]

I don't believe it's rich people but businesses and individuals getting in on the AI action. AI can already be used to automate and speed up a lot of different kinds of work. It can even be used to allow smaller groups of people achieve something that would ordinarily take a much larger team.

It's like what crypto did to GPUs only several times worse. Our only hope is that good ASICs roll around that replace GPUs for AI tasks.

Great point. Those people in the professional realm (both business and individuals) are very mostly rich though so these cards don't phase them. Will be interesting to see if the ASICs roll out later this decade hopefully.

 

[SugarDunkerton]

If you get a 5090 at MSRP you will be around the same price as the 4090 has been selling for and you get more performance.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Given the poor release volume and the ludicrous scalper pricing now set by AIBs, people who need a card should just get the 4080S or 7900XTX and be done with it (particularly if we are talking about waiting for the 5080).

That's not working very well anymore. Seems that on a new release like this, everything goes up. Used to be people selling their cards on ebay would drive older gen prices down. 7900XTX is sold out at Newegg, leaving the 7900 XT to hold the fort with one at $650, while the 4070 is $800++.

Even 7700XT has gone way up, there's one no-name for $450, then it's one $500 Sapphire, and the rest start at $700.

 

[Visible Noise]

And if nvidia purely caters to rich 'muricans going forward, then i can see a sharp decline in their popularity in the near future amongst gamers.

Which non-American company would be supplying their GPUs?

 

[Dragam1337]

Which non-American company would be supplying their GPUs?

I think you need to read what you quoted again...

Doesn't change anything I wrote. There are rich people everywhere and the problem with hobbies getting popular is now those rich people want in on the action.

Nvidia doesn't care. If they make x amounts of 5090s and they all sell, then that's all they care about. I don't think they even plan on selling a sub $350 card this gen so if they are targeting upper-middle class and higher bracket than it's time for someone like AMD or Intel to step up to the plate for the budget tier.

No, there is not. The vast majority of rich people in the world live in 'murica (as does a massive amount of homeless people and people living in extreme poverty - the land of inequality).

So yes, the richest 5% of muricans can buy whatever they want, and everyone else gets shafted, which will undoubtedly make people turn towards more reasonable alternatives sooner rather than later. Intel especially will likely start to pick them up. And while nvidia might not care as of now, that might change once they run out of convenient bubbles to exploit (current one being ai).

 

[Shakallia]

I think you need to read what you quoted again...



No, there is not. The vast majority of rich people in the world live in 'murica (as does a massive amount of homeless people and people living in extreme poverty - the land of inequality).

So yes, the richest 5% of muricans can buy whatever they want, and everyone else gets shafted, which will undoubtedly make people turn towards more reasonable alternatives sooner rather than later. Intel especially will likely start to pick them up. And while nvidia might not care as of now, that might change once they run out of convenient bubbles to exploit (current one being ai).

 

[Shakallia]

For the europeans on this forum, a 5090 at an interesting price : https://www.alternate.nl/MSI/GeForc...ID-SOC-grafische-kaart/html/product/100109560

 

[mtosev]

Lolz 5K €.

 

[Kyle2907]

For the europeans on this forum, a 5090 at an interesting price : https://www.alternate.nl/MSI/GeForc...ID-SOC-grafische-kaart/html/product/100109560

Wow...this price is insane!

But the price in Canada is no better:
https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/...cooler-rog-astral-lc-rtx5090-o32g-gaming.html

$4499 CAD

 

[thesmokingman]

I just got back from Microcenter. People were getting their camping chairs lined up. There were like a dozen ppl there fwiw... lol.

 

[mtosev]

4066€ here in Slovenia for the 5090.

 

[Zach_01]

Here you can’t find a 5090.
You have to order, pay and wait for unknown period.
Starting from 2800€ up to 3600-3900€ for the liquid ones.