NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected, RTX 5070 Ti, Too

[JustBenching]

No it's not because :
1 - AI GPUs are prioritized big time.
2 - Therefore gaming GPUs aren't
3 - Therefore there is much less gaming GPUs produced
4 - As a result the quality suffers and/or the price of gaming GPUs increase.

I said nothing about the price. If they can't make enough 5090s with 176 rops then cut them all down and sell them as 168 rops, problem solved. You don't ship products with different specs under the same name. Why are we even arguing about something as fundamental as that?

 

[MacZ]

I'd hardly call more than 15% a rounding error but what you're not smart enough to see - and nvidia clearly is - is that the consumer market is always there. Through several ups and downs on the other business areas, consumers are there buying their stuff. They also don't require 24h 7days a week support, or custom made solutions, or long term payment plans, or any number of other requirements. They just buy their stuff, use it for a while, and then buy it again.

The data center market is booming right now - and that's not just gpu's, they also own mellanox among other providers they bought along the way - but it will dry up eventually when the AI buble finally bursts (no one seems to have any idea how to monetize it) and they have competitors mounting from all sides. They need the consumer market to keep going or they'll die when that happens.

As I explained futher up, GPUs, notwithstanding the 'G', are SIMD processors that are very useful in a lot of different applications. After crypto and AI, there are lots of place in research and production where they are used. And there is NO case where they will somehow revert to just being used in gaming.

As for AI being a bubble, did the internet cease because the dotcom bubble burst ? If you're not sure, I'm asking on the internet right now.

And AI is much more than just LLMs.

Crypto calculations on GPUs were unnecessary, but GPUs as SIMD processors will continue to be used more and more for other things than gaming. Dreams of its usage drying up are just that : dreams.

I said nothing about the price. If they can't make enough 5090s with 176 rops then cut them all down and sell them as 168 rops, problem solved. You don't ship products with different specs under the same name. Why are we even arguing about something as fundamental as that?

Just another fact that aligns with my theory.

As I said, if you are unhappy with the quality, you always have the option not to buy said GPU.

I don't think nVidia will be bothered that much.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

If people are dumb enough to pay $2000+ for a 70 series card, more power to nvidia to take advantage of them.

A 5090 is a 70 series card?

 

[brianinengland]

Yes, it seems like Nvidia fucked this up and mixed up 5090 and 5090D dies

Both models have the same number of ROPS, apparently

 

[Tropick]

I'm saying that you should be grateful to buy a $1,000 car when this company can sell $25,000 cars all day.

If you are not happy with the quality you get, you should stop buying the $1,000 car.

Okay I think I'm starting to understand what you mean. Nvidia could easily just leave the consumer space and we wouldn't have any of their GPUs at all and they'd still be able to make a killing. I guess my point is just that until they've actually left the consumer space they are still obliged to honor their advertising even if it's a product that only makes a fraction of the margin the more expensive product does. And we do have a right to be upset, in the same way that "if we're not happy with the quality we get, we should stop buying the cards." my counterargument would be that "If Nvidia isn't happy with having to spend full QA money to ensure their lower margin products meet advertised spec, they ought to not even sell them." But I see your point, consumers voting with their wallets is the only way to stop this sort of thing. It's just dissapointing to see an industry juggernaut like Nvidia choosing to rest on their laurels and cash in on their goodwill knowing their fans will likely blindly buy crummy quality dies they cordon off for us "non AI hyperscaler peasants". Guess I'm just missing the days when they had to keep us happy because the gaming crowd was their cash cow lol. Times have changed... Hey AMD where's that Navi 4C MCM anyways?

 

[MacZ]

my counterargument would be that "If Nvidia isn't happy with having to spend full QA money to ensure their lower margin products meet advertised spec, they ought to not even sell them." But I see your point, consumers voting with their wallets is the only way to stop this sort of thing. It's just dissapointing to see an industry juggernaut like Nvidia choosing to rest on their laurels and cash in on their goodwill knowing their fans will likely blindly buy crummy quality dies they cordon off for us "non AI hyperscaler peasants".

First, companies don't care about 'fans'. Nobody should be a 'fan' of any company, whose sole aim is making money.

Second, To maximize AI GPUs production, they need to lessen gaming GPUs production. It means that the price of these gaming GPUs will go up, and having lower quality GPUs is a way to have a larger production than an otherwise stricter quality control would allow. Stricter quality control means even lower production (GPUs being discarded/repurposed) which means higher prices.

I think the quality issue is quite deliberate.

And it would be the same for AMD if they hadn't exited the high end GPU market or Intel if they were able.

 

[_roman_]

Absolutely, the delta between the FE and the fastest factory OC'd card, the ASUS Astral is 4-5% only, so yes, this will definitely raise eyebrows, especially when a card drops to below FE levels

This is the reason some people overclock their cards for some percentage gain. A difference between a playable game and a slideshow.

 

[Hecate91]

Selling $2,000 GPUs when you could make and easily sell $25,000 GPUs instead is charity at this point. And not insulting the future.

You should be grateful that you are offered any GPU for gaming at all is what I'm saying.

AMD exiting the high end GPU market is just another fact that further validates my hypothesis.

And Intel is nowhere near able to compete there for now. But if they where, it would be the same thing.

Selling GPU's for $2000 is not a charity, not even close.
And you're saying we should all get on our knees thanking Jensen for selling defective GPUs?
No that isn't how it works, when you pay for something, you should expect it to work as it was advertised.
AMD and Intel has nothing to do with these issues, your argument is so far removed from reality it makes no sense.

 

[MacZ]

Selling GPU's for $2000 is not a charity, not even close.
And you're saying we should all get on our knees thanking Jensen for selling defective GPUs?
No that isn't how it works, when you pay $2000 for something, you should expect it to work as it was advertised.
AMD and Intel has nothing to do with these issues, your argument is so far removed from reality it makes no sense.

Selling $2,000 GPUs when you could sell $25,000 GPUs instead is what I would call charity, yes.

And I'm pretty sure that according to US laws, Jensen could be in trouble if his company provided much more gaming GPUs that it has. His investors could sue his *ss to Mars and back.

It's not the fact that you bought a GPU. It's the fact that this $2,000 GPU is available for sale in the first place.

And as I explained above, lower quality means greater stock and lower price.

But when people have that much comprehension impairment, it's a miracle we are only sinking at this slow pace. Jeez.

 

[Visible Noise]

Good god, Nvidia mucked up good.

Thank you for the clarification.
As you can tell I just don't have much of any trust left for Nvidia, after their doubling down on the power connector, and now trying to downplay missing ROPs, I wonder how Nvidia is actually going to fix this or are the AIBs going to be left dealing with customers.

And you also apparently have no faith in W1zzard either, posting that he would participate in some kind of coverup.

 

[notoperable]

Mondays Jensen gonna tell everyone Its a design feature

 

[Carillon]

Selling $2,000 GPUs when you could sell $25,000 GPUs instead is what I would call charity, yes.

And I'm pretty sure that according to US laws, Jensen could be in trouble if his company provided much more gaming GPUs that it has. His investors could sue his *ss to Mars and back.

It's not the fact that you bought a GPU. It's the fact that this $2,000 GPU is available for sale in the first place.

And as I explained above, lower quality means greater stock and lower price.

But when people have that much comprehension impairment, it's a miracle we are only sinking at this slow pace. Jeez.

I think nvidia is not in the position to exit the gaming market, unlike amd and intel, nvidia has a monopoly on gaming, while on the datacenter side it has a gazillion competitors. All of it's customers hate them, and are designing their own gpus.

 

[MacZ]

I think nvidia is not in the position to exit the gaming market, unlike amd and intel, nvidia has a monopoly on gaming, while on the datacenter side it has a gazillion competitors. All of it's customers hate them, and are designing their own gpus.

This doesn't change the fact that Data center are 78% of its revenue while gaming GPU are 17.1%.

And the trend is not in favor of gaming GPUs.

I don't think it will exit the gaming market, but as, any company would do, it will prioritize the segment that makes 4.5 times more revenue than the other (and growing).

I'm sorry to say that it is how things are.

 

[Hecate91]

Selling $2,000 GPUs when you could sell $25,000 GPUs instead is what I would call charity, yes.

And I'm pretty sure that according to US laws, Jensen could be in trouble if his company provided much more gaming GPUs that it has. His investors could sue his *ss to Mars and back.

It's not the fact that you bought a GPU. It's the fact that this $2,000 GPU is available for sale in the first place.

And as I explained above, lower quality means greater stock and lower price.

But when people have that much comprehension impairment, it's a miracle we are only sinking at this slow pace. Jeez.

It isn't a charity when Nvidia just cannot treat the gaming customers like crap, Nvidia is still invested in the gaming market and not caring about the gaming market is a dumb move as the AI bubble can pop, or the need for Nvidia for GPGPU as AI cards can diminish as many other companies are producing their own compute hardware.
Also according to US laws, Jensen could be in trouble for selling the AIBs cards with missing ROPs, he's already lied about the 5070 being faster than a 4090 when the 5070Ti doesn't even beat a 4090.
It doesn't matter what the GPU costs, to use the car analogy again, say you paid full price for a car it should be expected for the car to perform as advertised, not get a V6 vehicle only firing on 5 cylinders. There are laws against false advertisment and anti-consumer tactics.
And there is no excuse for lower quality chips, Nvidia had the choice to delay Blackwell to fix the quality issues.
I can comprehend your argument just fine, but your logic of praising Nvidia for selling defective hardware is a completely flawed argument.

And you also apparently have no faith in W1zzard either, posting that he would participate in some kind of coverup.

To be honest I don't have trust in most reviewers with Nvidia cards, and every reviewer has to follow the rules or they no longer get cards or press guides.
For example, Hardware Unboxed tried calling out Nvidia, they nearly got blacklisted for it so HWUB changed to being significantly less critical of Nvidia.

 

[PerfectWave]

Jensen say it is a features the more you buy more you save in ROPS LUL

 

[tfdsaf]

All of those Nvidiots deserve it. $2500+ for what is essentially a 5080, just rebranded so that their stockhold syndrome slaves can make Jensen richer!

The 4080 historically would have been the 5070 and the 4090 the actual 4080, the 5090 would have historically been the 5080 or maybe 5080ti at best, not an actual $2500+ halo product. Every single Nvidia GPU in these past 2 generations is a scam!

 

[MacZ]

And there is no excuse for lower quality chips, Nvidia had the choice to delay Blackwell to fix the quality issues.
I can comprehend your argument just fine, but your logic of praising Nvidia for selling defective hardware is a completely flawed argument.

I'm not praising anyone or anything. I'm just explaining reality as I see it, however bleak it may seem.

Explaining is not condoning.

As I explained, I think that stricter quality controls would have resulted in less stock therefore even more expensive hardware.

And what would have been the reaction of the community then ?

If you think you have ground for suing nVidia, more power to you.

 

[Tek-Check]

I'm saying that you should be grateful to buy a $1,000 car when this company can sell $25,000 cars all day.
If you are not happy with the quality you get, you should stop buying the $1,000 car.

What kind of nonsense is this?

 

[MacZ]

What kind of nonsense is this?

Please explain what you find nonsensical.

Any for profit company in the world would rather sell a thing for $25,000 than for $1,000.

Where is the mystery ?

 

[Tek-Check]

As I explained, I think that stricter quality controls would have resulted in less stock therefore even more expensive hardware.

No. This is flawed. Nvidia knew about defective dies and yet they waited until the community discovered it to make any statement.
Nobody forced them to announce cards at CES. It's their fault they rushed this non-launch with a handful of cards. I have not seen such disastrous paper launch with additional issues in a decade.

Any for profit company in the world would rather sell a thing for $25,000 than for $1,000.

Which "thing"?
If they want to sell only data center GPUs, that's fine by me. Leave gaming market and sell what you want.

 

[MacZ]

No. This is flawed. Nvidia knew about defective dies and yet they waited until the community discovered it to make any statement.
Nobody forced them to announce cards at CES. It's their fault they rushed this non-launch with a handful of cards. I have not seen such disastrous paper launch with additional issues in a decade.

Yes, I think they knew.
Yes, I think it's on purpose.

It is a choice between less quality and less quantity (and more expensive).

And quality always loses.

Look at the debacle with SMR hard drives.

Which "thing"?
If they want to sell only data center GPUs, that's fine by me. Leave gaming market and sell what you want.

Or you just don't buy nVidia cards. You are not alone. For some reason, some people want high end graphics cards whatever the price (almost). And there is no alternative to nVidia. So not everything is about you.

 

[Godrilla]

Yes it's illegal!

 

[MacZ]

Yes it's illegal!

A full $1.3 millions ?

I'm sure Jensen at the head of its $3 trillions company will have a hard time sleeping.

Especially when you can RMA the faulty cards.

 

[JustBenching]

To be honest I don't have trust in most reviewers with Nvidia cards, and every reviewer has to follow the rules or they no longer get cards or press guides.
For example, Hardware Unboxed tried calling out Nvidia, they nearly got blacklisted for it so HWUB changed to being significantly less critical of Nvidia.

Hub changed to being significantly less critical of nvidia? The same hub that made 7 videos scrapping on nvidias 8gb vram cards (while at the time amd was also offering 8gb vram cards which they ignored mind you). We are talking about the same hub? Oh lord...

 

[Krit]

The more you spend the harder you will fall.

- Poor performance
- High prices
- A lot of issues
- Worst nvidia gpu generation ever

When was the last time when nvidia had such bad times in general ?

I thought that RTX 40 Series was the worst but this one seems to be is even worse thanks to nvidia buyers.