Nvidia's GPU market share hits 90% in Q4 2024 (gets closer to full monopoly)

[eidairaman1]

Is that for both sides?

 

[Dr. Dro]

yep, pretty shitty of them I agree. i was actually hoping to replay some older physx games on a new nvidia gpu someday simply because i was trying to outlast the performance hit, as it was too much of a performance hit on say a gtx 970 to enable it in batman arkham asylum, etc. so yeah

PhysX has always had a dreadful impact on fps unless used with a dedicated secondary GPU, honestly, why is everyone up in arms about this only now that it's been discontinued? In fact, it's largely the same people who always had AMD GPUs and could never use it at all, going as far as calling it part of "gimpworks" and "anti-AMD sabotage" all these years. And the funniest is, they threaten to buy AMD in retaliation, who could never run it from the very beginning.

The fps impact is severe and there's lots of hitching, it makes the rendering rate almost completely erratic. It was never worth the squeeze unless you could offload it to another card, much like SLI, it's a relic of a bygone era.

 

[JustBenching]

PhysX has always had a dreadful impact on fps unless used with a dedicated secondary GPU, honestly, why is everyone up in arms about this only now that it's been discontinued? In fact, it's largely the same people who always had AMD GPUs and could never use it at all, going as far as calling it part of "gimpworks" and "anti-AMD sabotage" all these years. And the funniest is, they threaten to buy AMD in retaliation, who could never run it from the very beginning.

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Exactly, but nvidia gets a free pass and missing ROPs so good luck making sense...

As I've said, most of the issues are non issues for people actually interested in buying the cards. And it's the same with amd, the amd card with the most amount of issues was the xtx, and yet it's the highest selling rdna3 card. Because as long as it's under warranty, most people don't give a damn.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Exactly, but nvidia gets a free pass and missing ROPs so good luck making sense...

As I've said, most of the issues are non issues for people actually interested in buying the cards. And it's the same with amd, the amd card with the most amount of issues was the xtx, and yet it's the highest selling rdna3 card. Because as long as it's under warranty, most people don't give a damn.

This launch is a mess. Fires, QA issues, none of it is excusable... but PhysX? I really do not miss it. Sure, it had some amazing effects for its time, and I can leave my A2000 in to retain support if I'm so inclined, but... I'm probably not even gonna bother.

 

[JustBenching]

This launch is a mess. Fires, QA issues, none of it is excusable... but PhysX? I really do not miss it. Sure, it had some amazing effects for its time, and I can leave my A2000 in to retain support if I'm so inclined, but... I'm probably not even gonna bother.

Sure, this launch is so bad it's comical, but none of the issues will stop anyone from buying because.... warranty. It's the price and the performance that will stop most people, not an issue that might affect 1 out 100 that will get rmaed anyways.

See the x3d, latest bios is feeding ungodly amounts of vsoc to the chips. Will that drastically drop sales? No it won't and it shouldn't.

 

[Bomby569]

This launch is a mess. Fires, QA issues, none of it is excusable... but PhysX? I really do not miss it. Sure, it had some amazing effects for its time, and I can leave my A2000 in to retain support if I'm so inclined, but... I'm probably not even gonna bother.

the rops it's already solved, PhysX seems like a shit move but 99% won't even notice, the quality issues end up happening with every gen at launch more or less
the cable/connector is the real issue for those with the 5090, that was never addressed let alone solved, and the pricing that affects everyone. People will give a pass to Nvidia if they lose focus on what's really important

It's not drama, obviously these are real issues, but the influencers that need clicks and people that like the drama end up doing a mountain of a molehill, especially the rops thing imo

 

[Space Lynx]

PhysX has always had a dreadful impact on fps unless used with a dedicated secondary GPU, honestly, why is everyone up in arms about this only now that it's been discontinued? In fact, it's largely the same people who always had AMD GPUs and could never use it at all, going as far as calling it part of "gimpworks" and "anti-AMD sabotage" all these years. And the funniest is, they threaten to buy AMD in retaliation, who could never run it from the very beginning.

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The fps impact is severe and there's lots of hitching, it makes the rendering rate almost completely erratic. It was never worth the squeeze unless you could offload it to another card, much like SLI, it's a relic of a bygone era.

well I was hoping back in the batman arkham game days that the physx chips themselves would get better, no second card needed. its not a big deal, just kind of annoying.

 

[Hecate91]

the rops it's already solved, PhysX seems like a shit move but 99% won't even notice, the quality issues end up happening with every gen at launch more or less
the cable/connector is the real issue for those with the 5090, that was never addressed let alone solved, and the pricing that affects everyone. People will give a pass to Nvidia if they lose focus on what's really important

It's not drama, obviously these are real issues, but the influencers that need clicks and people that like the drama end up doing a mountain of a molehill, especially the rops thing imo

The missing ROPs isn't solved until Nvidia does a recall, IMO. They went from saying it was 0.5% to saying a "launch batch issue" with the 5080 with missing ROPs, Nvidia pays for every single die they order so they knew how many were defective.
The removal of PhysX is a real disappointment because one of the best parts of PC gaming is having backwards compatibility, regardless of how many people care it's still losing a feature on games which people still enjoy. Nvidia could have easily written a translation layer if they wanted to, but instead quietly depreciated PhysX so most wouldn't notice.
As for the 12v2x6 cable issue, Nvidia will probably get another free pass on it as they did with 12vhpwr by passing it off as user error, 12v2x6 is just a slightly modified design of the same failure prone cable.
I disagree on the ROPs issue being overblown, Nvidia is supposed to be the brand people pay more for because they have the reputation for quality, letting the QA slip that badly is just another sign of Nvidia not caring about the gaming market.

 

[JustBenching]

is just another sign of Nvidia not caring about the gaming market.

That's exactly the point im trying to get across. Nvidia doesn't care a tiny bit about the gaming market and they still manage to easily one up the competition by having the 6 fastest cards on the planet. Not in RT, but in plain old raster that nvidia cards aren't even good at.

None of the issues you keep mentioning ad nauseam will stop anyone from buying cause A) They are either covered by warranty or B) they don't have access to them even if they don't buy nvidia (physx). Nvidia will happily continue to dominate the gaming market while putting the least amount of effort possible cause their competition is even worse. Sad but true.

 

[Bomby569]

The missing ROPs isn't solved until Nvidia does a recall, IMO. They went from saying it was 0.5% to saying a "launch batch issue" with the 5080 with missing ROPs, Nvidia pays for every single die they order so they knew how many were defective.

I disagree on the ROPs issue being overblown, Nvidia is supposed to be the brand people pay more for because they have the reputation for quality, letting the QA slip that badly is just another sign of Nvidia not caring about the gaming market.

not sure where you got that, but nvidia cards are notorious for having issues at launch, this is nothing new.

 

[AusWolf]

sure you can i talk, but not pretending you were ever going to buy it, and won't just because of this. The same i will never buy a Bugatti because of what they done, true story.

Except that I never said I'd never buy an Nvidia card again. I've got issues with the way they're doing business these days (skimping on vram, retaining chips for super variants coming later, etc), but if they ever intended to return to normalcy again, I'll be happy to buy an Nvidia card.

Besides, I see nothing wrong with talking about why you wouldn't buy a product.

That's exactly the point im trying to get across. Nvidia doesn't care a tiny bit about the gaming market and they still manage to easily one up the competition by having the 6 fastest cards on the planet. Not in RT, but in plain old raster that nvidia cards aren't even good at.

None of the issues you keep mentioning ad nauseam will stop anyone from buying cause A) They are either covered by warranty or B) they don't have access to them even if they don't buy nvidia (physx). Nvidia will happily continue to dominate the gaming market while putting the least amount of effort possible cause their competition is even worse. Sad but true.

You need to shove more and faster components into a GPU whether you want to make it for gaming, rendering, AI, or whatever. So why couldn't they have the fastest GPU in gaming by actually focusing on other areas?

 

[Hecate91]

Nvidia doesn't care a tiny bit about the gaming market and they still manage to easily one up the competition

That isn't a good thing, it makes no sense why you'd see Nvidia having a monopoly like Intel did 10 years ago being a good thing.

None of the issues you keep mentioning ad nauseam will stop anyone from buying cause A) They are either covered by warranty

I've said it many times people will keep buying Nvidia because the mindshare and marketing works, the 50 series issues are a great example.
And as a customer I shouldn't have to rely on the warranty in order to get a product working as advertised. It's like buying a car known to be a lemon but buying it on a chance anyway you might get a decent one.

B) they don't have access to them even if they don't buy nvidia (physx).

Not having access to an AMD or Intel card? I doubt it in the current market.

 

[Vya Domus]

The missing ROPs isn't solved until Nvidia does a recall

They wont and they're leaving themselves open to yet another lawsuit because they're knowingly letting products being sold which do not conform to advertised specifications.

 

[mclaren85]

Missing ROPs is covered under warranty. It won't stop anyone from buying nvidia cause that's what warranty is there for. What other design flaws are you referring to?

According to rumours the card draws an unbalanced load of current which eventually causes burns.
I don't know the real cause and rumours' genuinity but the photos are real enough.

 

[Bomby569]

According to rumours the card draws an unbalanced load of current which eventually causes burns.
I don't know the real cause and rumours' genuinity but the photos are real enough.

bildzoid debunked that, that's just normal shit that happens. The drama train is completely out of control at this point

 

[AusWolf]

bildzoid debunked that, that's just normal shit that happens. The drama train is completely out of control at this point

Cards burning up is "just normal shit"? Are you for real?

 

[freeagent]

No it isn't normal.

But there are guys out there who have been using them for a couple of years already on their cards.

I don't have any answers for you as to why it happens. But it seems to be just the high powered cards that are doing it.

 

[AusWolf]

No it isn't normal.

But there are guys out there who have been using them for a couple of years already on their cards.

I don't have any answers for you as to why it happens. But it seems to be just the high powered cards that are doing it.

There was a post in one of the threads (I can't remember which one) that mentioned the angled connector and how it relates to the different resistance in the wires, leading to uneven load. I find that explanation the most reasonable.

 

[freeagent]

There was a post in one of the threads (I can't remember which one) that mentioned the angled connector and how it relates to the different resistance in the wires, leading to uneven load. I find that explanation the most reasonable.

I agree.

This is one of the reasons I moved to a big case, I worry about cables no more

Except I did break the clip off of my 12V2X6 about a month ago. Keep meaning to get it replaced.

 

[AusWolf]

I agree.

This is one of the reasons I moved to a big case, I worry about cables no more

Except I did break the clip off of my 12V2X6 about a month ago. Keep meaning to get it replaced.

It's not the cables, but the way the connector on the card itself is angled.

Basically, when it's flat, every 12V+ground trace pair is of equal length, having equal resistance. But when it's tilted to its short edge, like on the 5080 and 5090 FE cards, some traces connect to the card through a longer path, and some through a shorter one, which creates a difference in resistance among the 6 12V+ground pairs.

I could draw some illustration, but I'm at work on my phone at the moment.

 

[freeagent]

I could draw some illustration, but I'm at work on my phone at the moment.

No no, I understand.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

No it isn't normal.

But there are guys out there who have been using them for a couple of years already on their cards.

I don't have any answers for you as to why it happens. But it seems to be just the high powered cards that are doing it.

It's a poor design with very little room for both user error and manufacturing tolerances and now Nvidia wants to shove nearly 600w through it.

Had Nvidia just continued the 3090ti version of it we likely wouldn't be here talking about it.

 

[freeagent]

Nvidia wants to shove nearly 600w through it.

Yeah the 600w is pretty intense, even with the old plugs.

Imagine buying a 650w PSU just to run your GPU, the insanity of it all.

The whole 12v rail of a 650w PSU on that teeny tiny plug is indeed madness.

 

[Visible Noise]

Who said anything about Nvidia stock? You made a personal suggestion to me. I made myself a better one.


Like that's an answer to anything on a public forum. Well done, mate, top attitude!

We honestly don’t care what you buy. Why should we, we don’t know you. Are you really concerned about how people you have never met spend the money that they earn? If so, I suggest seeing a mental health professional for assistance in getting your priorities straight.

 

[AusWolf]

We honestly don’t care what you buy. Why should we, we don’t know you. Are you really concerned about how people you have never met spend the money that they earn? If so, I suggest seeing a mental health professional for assistance in getting your priorities straight.

You guys have got some massive amount of egicentrism twisting in your brains. Nobody said you should "care" about anything, but if you're not even interested in the slightest, then I don't know why you're here. A forum is about discussing stuff. That involves other people, you know. Some of those other people might think differently than you from time to time.

Nobody is out to hurt your precious brand, so chill out and grow up, will 'ya?

Also, if you really don't care, then why are you replying? Do you see the contradiction here?