Nvidia's GPU market share hits 90% in Q4 2024 (gets closer to full monopoly)

[JustBenching]

I've said it many times people will keep buying Nvidia because the mindshare and marketing works, the 50 series issues are a great example.

It's not marketing man. You said it yourself, hundreds of games are unplayable without nvidia due to physx. So why would 90% of the market not buy nvidia? Seriously, answer the question...

 

[Hecate91]

You guys have got some massive amount of egicentrism twisting in your brains. Nobody said you should "care" about anything, but if you're not even interested in the slightest, then I don't know why you're here. A forum is about discussing stuff. That involves other people, you know. Some of those other people might think differently than you from time to time.

Nobody is out to hurt your precious brand, so chill out and grow up, will 'ya?

Also, if you really don't care, then why are you replying? Do you see the contradiction here?

They don't want to discuss anything, they just want a hivemind of agreement, I'm so tired of the selfish childish nonsense.

It's not marketing man. You said it yourself, hundreds of games are unplayable without nvidia due to physx. So why would 90% of the market not buy nvidia? Seriously, answer the question...

It is the marketing, people just aren't clued into a lot of the crap Nvidia pulls. I seen a thread of someone with a 5070Ti asking what happened to PhysX, people will just buy Nvidia having the expectation of getting the long standing features they've always paid for. People here being dismissive of backwards compatibility and the danger of being trapped in an ecosystem is a very dangerous slippery slope. If you don't care about backwards compatibility and not being locked into a single brand then you should be fine with games not working at all after a few years.
PhysX didn't become much of a vendor locked feature to trap people into a brand because back then the tech press refused to sing praise for a proprietary feature.

 

[JustBenching]

It is the marketing, people just aren't clued into a lot of the crap Nvidia pulls. I seen a thread of someone with a 5070Ti asking what happened to PhysX

Exactly, people all this time bought nvidia cause of physx. Hundreds of games are unplayable without it, so it makes sense that the marketshare is the way it is

Backwards compatibility is a pain in the ass with AMD. I tried playing divine divinity and yeah, black boxes everywhere. Nvidia cards (all of them, I tested 5) run it just fine

 

[Zazigalka]

Yeah the 600w is pretty intense, even with the old plugs.

Imagine buying a 650w PSU just to run your GPU, the insanity of it all.

The whole 12v rail of a 650w PSU on that teeny tiny plug is indeed madness.

600w sustained, higher spike

 

[AusWolf]

Exactly, people all this time bought nvidia cause of physx. Hundreds of games are unplayable without it, so it makes sense that the marketshare is the way it is

People keep buying Nvidia expecting that PhysX would be there. This is the point.

Backwards compatibility is a pain in the ass with AMD. I tried playing divine divinity and yeah, black boxes everywhere. Nvidia cards (all of them, I tested 5) run it just fine

Sounds like one single occurrence to me. I've never had backwards compatibility issues with any GPU.

 

[JustBenching]

Sounds like one single occurrence to me. I've never had backwards compatibility issues with any GPU.

Lots of older games can't be played on RDNA2 (probably 3, don't have one to test). They are full of rendering artifacts, black boxes, missing textures etc. Some of them can be run on software mode (running on the CPU) some of them can't.

 

[AusWolf]

Lots of older games can't be played on RDNA2 (probably 3, don't have one to test). They are full of rendering artifacts, black boxes, missing textures etc. Some of them can be run on software mode (running on the CPU) some of them can't.

Like what? I can't promise to test them all, as I'm on Linux, which is a bigger compatibility issue than any GPU.

Also, I'm not taking part in yet another childish red vs green penis measurement contest - I'm just genuinely curious, as I love playing old classics myself. Every GPU comes with its own issues.

 

[JustBenching]

Like what? I can't promise to test them all, as I'm on Linux, which is a bigger compatibility issue than any GPU.

Also, I'm not taking part in yet another childish red vs green penis measurement contest - I'm just genuinely curious, as I love playing old classics myself. Every GPU comes with its own issues.

I've already mentioned divine divinity. Bought it to play on my laptop and nope. It's 6$ on steam, ill buy it for you if you wanna test. Game works on 1060, 1080ti, 3060ti, 3090 and 4090. Doesn't work on 6700s and 680m, I have to run it in software mode.

 

[AusWolf]

I've already mentioned divine divinity. Bought it to play on my laptop and nope. It's 6$ on steam, ill buy it for you if you wanna test.

Is that it? Anything else? If it's literally just one game, then don't bother. There's no point drawing an overarching conclusion based on one example of one game.

 

[JustBenching]

Is that it? Anything else? If it's literally just one game, then don't bother. There's no point drawing an overarching conclusion based on one example of one game.

I can make you a list, how many games do you want me to add to said list? Im not going to go over hundreds, is 10 enough?

 

[AusWolf]

I can make you a list, how many games do you want me to add to said list? Im not going to go over hundreds, is 10 enough?

Give me as many examples as you consider relevant, with a focus on major titles (for a higher chance of me having them).

Edit: Anyway, the point is that the "AMD drivers are shit" statement doesn't hold based on one isolated example.
On that logic, I could say that Nvidia drivers are shit because none of my Nvidia cards will do a full 8-bit colour, full dynamic range image on my 4K TV at 60 Hz.

 

[JustBenching]

Give me as many examples as you consider relevant, with a focus on major titles (for a higher chance of me having them).

Edit: Anyway, the point is that the "AMD drivers are shit" statement doesn't hold based on one isolated example.
On that logic, I could say that Nvidia drivers are shit because none of my Nvidia cards will do a full 8-bit colour, full dynamic range image on my 4K TV at 60 Hz.

I did not say amd drivers are shit. Was talking about the backwards compatibility aspect.

Hdmi 2.1 can do 4k 60hz 8bit hdr. What are you referring to exactly?

 

[AusWolf]

I did not say amd drivers are shit. Was talking about the backwards compatibility aspect.

So where are the other games?

You seriously cannot expect any hardware manufacturer to test every new design and every new driver on every old game in existence.

Hdmi 2.1 can do 4k 60hz 8bit hdr. What are you referring to exactly?

Yes it can - on my Intel Xe iGPU, and AMD GPUs, perfectly. But whenever I plug it into an Nvidia GPU, it's either 60 Hz with half dynamic range and washed out colours, or bright colours at 30 Hz, not both.
The latest card I tested is a 2070, which has HDMI 2.0b, which theoretically should be enough for the above - but for some reason, it won't do it.

 

[Red Hood]

By GPU shipments, do they mean the number of cards sold to end users or retailers and oems? Also does that include workstation cards?

 

[AusWolf]

By GPU shipments, do they mean the number of cards sold to end users or retailers and oems? Also does that include workstation cards?

I assume it's everything. At least I haven't seen anyone count workstation cards sold separately.

 

[Red Hood]

Some people see that 90% market share and assume its all gaming cards

It would be interesting to see the numbers of the models sold

 

[JustBenching]

So where are the other games?

You seriously cannot expect any hardware manufacturer to test every new design and every new driver on every old game in existence.


Yes it can - on my Intel Xe iGPU, and AMD GPUs, perfectly. But whenever I plug it into an Nvidia GPU, it's either 60 Hz with half dynamic range and washed out colours, or bright colours at 30 Hz, not both.
The latest card I tested is a 2070, which has HDMI 2.0b, which theoretically should be enough for the above - but for some reason, it won't do it.

How can it be a driver issue? Ive been running 4k 60 with older cards than the 2070 like the 1080ti

 

[TumbleGeorge]

hundreds of games are unplayable without nvidia due to physx

Do U sure for hundreds? Do U sure that games which support physx didn't work if physx is disabled?

 

[Bomby569]

Some people see that 90% market share and assume its all gaming cards

It would be interesting to see the numbers of the models sold

what cards are people using on steam other than gaming cards? doesn't steam paint a similar picture? and there it's probably even worst when you compare older vs new cards

 

[Red Hood]

what cards are people using on steam other than gaming cards? doesn't steam paint a similar picture? and there it's probably even worst when you compare older vs new cards

Is the shipment data from Steam?

Since you brough up Steam, the hardware survey includes laptops and intergrated chips, also the survery is optional

nvidia have a very large market share in dgpus but a breakdown of the models sold would make that 90% figure more useful

 

[Bomby569]

Is the shipment data from Steam?

Since you brough up Steam, the hardware survey includes laptops and intergrated chips, also the survery is optional

nvidia have a very large market share in dgpus but a breakdown of the models sold would make that 90% figure more useful

what are you talking about, YOU DO have a breakdown of the models on Steam

 

[Red Hood]

what are you talking about, YOU DO have a breakdown of the models on Steam

breakdown of the models sold

Why do you keep brining up steam, did you not read the original post of this thread?

 

[WhenMusicAttacks]

it'd be great if you could actually prove that 10/11/12GB cards have that problem with anything other than this old hub video, which doesn't address 10/12GB cards at all.

Yes, that video is almost 3 years old now. And vram requirements go up, not down. They also clearly show how some games do not regress performance but show empty spaces and actually run faster but look awful.

 

[Zazigalka]

Yes, that video is almost 3 years old now. And vram requirements go up, not down. They also clearly show how some games do not regress performance but show empty spaces and actually run faster but look awful.

.......which means you have no tangible proof of the same happening on 10-12gb cards, exactly like I can tell from experience. thank you.

also, vram requirements topped around 2021-23 and what you're seeing now on ue5/nothlight/motor/red engines is pretty much here to stay for a while as far as vram goes.
cards made with older architectural features get obsolete faster these days. it seems like amd will just let rdna2 die a slow death when you see 3080 beat 6800xt by 30-35%.

 

[AusWolf]

How can it be a driver issue? Ive been running 4k 60 with older cards than the 2070 like the 1080ti

4k 60 Hz, half dynamic range, no problem. Full dynamic range only works at 30 Hz, though. For a while, I thought it was my TV's limitation, but then I found out that it works on both AMD cards, and my Intel Xe iGPU in the 11700, it only doesn't work on Nvidia.

Also, my brother's DAC is in constant conflict with the Nvidia drivers, giving him popping sounds in games at random places. Again, something that doesn't happen with AMD.

The only difference is that I'm not roaming the forums shouting "Nvidia drivers are shit" left and right, like some people do with AMD, because I know nuance, and I recognise that my issues are probably one in a million.