AMD RDNA 4 and Radeon RX 9070 Series Unveiled: $549 & $599

[john_]

Why not $599 and $499? The non-XT is supposed to replace the 7800 XT after all.

Because prices are going up. AMD put a higher price than the one intended (the original pricing probably was $479 and $549, based on what prices we where hearing in January), but stayed under $600 because they knew that, going over $600 with an official MSRP, tech press and Nvidia trolls, payed or not payed, would turn all the negativity against them. We know that if Nvidia kills 50 cats and AMD one kitten, everyone will be pointing fingers at AMD.

It seems that who ever runs Radeon today, has more brains than the one running Radeon when 7000 series came out. Also the one making desisions of what the RDNA4 architecture should offer, seems to be smarter than the one making desitions about RDNA3 architecture.

 

[10tothemin9volts]

What I personally like about RX 9070 non-XT is the 220W TDP. NV has a 32GB VRAM consumer GPU, but it's 575W and 2000 $, now AMD is hopefully also going to release a 32GB VRAM consumer GPU using the 220W chip (not 300W, as LLM inference doesn't need all the additional cores, I confirm this when I reduce the power by -50% and get like only -3% in inference speed decrease) (it would be a clamshell VRAM design (=GDDR6 chips on both sides of the PCB)) at, say, 800-900 $ for AI LLM self-hosting/inferencing people. + HDMI 2.1a fix + >=DLSS2-like quality upscaling + decent increase in Path-tracing perf = win.

First time I've heard about it myself. Is it even true?

Unfortunately it's true (many, including TPU, reported about it and I myself can confirm it) (and still no fix after over 4 years. also the amount of comments) + DLSS + power scaling issues in RDNA3 is why I switched from a RX 6600 XT (previously RX 580, then RX 5500 XT) to a 4070. If HDMI 2.1a fix + >=DLSS2-like quality upscaling + power scaling fix (if chiplets in RDNA3 are the issue, then this one should be fixed, but let's see) = win.

 

[Zach_01]

Power usage looks rather questionable for a card in this category tbh. And yes, 9700 needs to have a $100 difference.

Now to see if AMD has restrained AIB pricing to mostly around MSRP or not I guess.

There is no 9700.
The new GPU series is 9070 and competes with 4070-5070 series.

You either have sight/brain issues or you are trying to pass the narrative that top RDNA4 is a x700 successor, which is not.

If the XTs will start at 650 euros Imma buy one even though I rarely play nowadays.

Does your country have VAT? Import fees?
If yes then don’t expect 650€ for the 9070XT.

Here VAT is 24%.
So $600 = 578€ + 24%=716,72 €
I don’t expect to see prices here less than 750€ at start.

 

[medi01]

only HDMI 2.0 support on Linux,

NV's GPUs on Linux are no-go either way. On all 1-3% gaming PCs using Linux over Windoze that is.

 

[wolf]

I bought an RX 6800 a couple of years ago after contemplating a 4070. I wasn't convinced that I should spend 200$ more for DLSS and ray-tracing. Instead, I bought a card with the same raster performance at 60% of the cost

Well, you bought a card with 85% @ 4k, 82% @ 1440p, 80% at 1080p of raster performance (2025 TPU test suite) relative to a 4070, at "60%" of the cost, If that cost is to be believed when your other numbers are stretched roughly one whole performance tier. I'm not saying you made the wrong choice by any means, the lions share of the performance and 16GB over 12GB for a big chunk cheaper is compelling. However a 6800 does not have the same raster performance as a 4070.

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This new race could be closer than ever. Perhaps the delays and negative press around the CES launch will be worth if it there is enough MSRP stock to satisfy demand. If 24 hours after launch all we have is cards $50-100++ over MSRP in stock and MSRP stock being drip fed, they'd not be doing much better than the 5070Ti. If I wasn't gifted a 5080 I think it's what I'd be trying to snag at launch myself.

 

[Zach_01]

This new race could be closer than ever. Perhaps the delays and negative press around the CES launch will be worth if it there is enough MSRP stock to satisfy demand. If 24 hours after launch all we have is cards $50-100++ over MSRP in stock and MSRP stock being drip fed, they'd not be doing much better than the 5070Ti. If I wasn't gifted a 5080 I think it's what I'd be trying to snag at launch myself.

So…
5070Ti with MSRP of $750 are sold at $1200 (+60%) minimum, and if 9070XT would start from $700 it would be the same.

Ok!

 

[wolf]

So… it would be the same.... Ok!

Not all markets are where you locally live. I am referring to my locality, admittedly using the USD as a reference, but yeah. Different availability and local pricing.

 

[AusWolf]

If I wasn't gifted a 5080 I think it's what I'd be trying to snag at launch myself.

Who gifted you a 5080? Do they want to be my best friend?

 

[Zach_01]

Not all markets are where you locally live. I am referring to my locality, admittedly using the USD as a reference, but yeah. Different availability and local pricing.

Yeah I used $$$ and talk about my EU market
Ok!
Think again please.

I was referring to US market
What market were you talking about, and for how much can you find a 5070Ti?

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah I used $$$ and talk about my EU market
Ok!
Think again please.

I was referring to US market
What market were you talking about, and for how much can you find a 5070Ti?

They start at £829 at Scan UK and £799 at Overclockers UK, although it's not in stock anywhere. Here, price isn't a problem. Availability is.

 

[Zach_01]

If you can’t find it then it doesn’t exist in that price.

Maybe in a few months

Typical…

 

[AusWolf]

If you can’t find it then it doesn’t exist in that price.

Maybe in a few months

Scan accepts pre-orders with a 3-10 week waiting time.

 

[wolf]

Yeah I used $$$ and talk about my EU market
Ok!
Think again please

Felt like you only talked about one market. Here cards are coming in stock at MSRP or close in smaller batches multiple times per week. Non MSRP cards but not 60% like you talk about more often, more like 20-30%. I'm not saying that's 'good', but you can maybe calm the attitude.

 

[newsunrise0130]

Here, price isn't a problem.

UK prices on GPUs are honestly quite good. I'm not afraid of the 9070 XT being overpriced, it should settle between £600 - £700 here.

600$ = £480. Add 20% VAT for £576. Add additional fees and it'll land at around the mid £600s. The XTX is at around £800. I'll happily buy a 9070 XT at £650.

 

[AusWolf]

UK prices on GPUs are honestly quite good. I'm not afraid of the 9070 XT being overpriced, it should settle between £600 - £700 here.

600$ = £480. Add 20% VAT for £576. Add additional fees and it'll land at around the mid £600s. The XTX is at around £800. I'll happily buy a 9070 XT at £650.

Exactly my thoughts. I hesitated selling my 7800 XT last summer (I needed cash) because it was an awesome card, but now I'm glad. If I still had it, I'd be reluctant to jump on a 9070 XT. This way, I'm not.

 

[Zach_01]

Felt like you only talked about one market. Here cards are coming in stock at MSRP or close in smaller batches multiple times per week. Non MSRP cards but not 60% like you talk about more often, more like 20-30%. I'm not saying that's 'good', but you can maybe calm the attitude.

No doubt you know your market better than me from half the planet around.
Still we are talking about 20-30% over $750 = $900-1000
And 9070XT with +$100 is +16% with $700 final price. Still $200-300 cheaper for the ~same performance …if AMDs charts are turn to be true.

 

[AusWolf]

No doubt you know your market better than me from half the planet around.
Still we are talking about 20-30% over $750 = $900-1000
And 9070XT with +$100 is +16% with $700 final price. Still $200-300 cheaper for the ~same performance …if AMDs charts are turn to be true.

This is what some people forget when they say "if the 9070 XT is more expensive in retail just like the 5070 Ti, it'll be a fail".
Even if the 9070 XT really does end up being more expensive in retail, it'll still be cheaper than the 5070 Ti.

 

[igormp]

NV's GPUs on Linux are no-go either way.

How so?

 

[AusWolf]

How so?
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He probably meant AMD is easier to use on Linux than Nvidia.

 

[igormp]

He probably meant AMD is easier to use on Linux than Nvidia.

"no-go" is pretty different from that.

 

[medi01]

HDMI mafia doesn't let 2.1 into open source drivers.
So AMD would need to put it as a blob in firmware (?) or uh oh.

DP to HDMI cables should work fine for those who need 2.1 features (4k @ 120?)

PS
Anyway, shows what pain in the back HDMi crap with all that encrypt and re-encrypt waste is.

 

[igormp]

HDMI mafia doesn't let 2.1 into open source drivers.
So AMD would need to put it as a blob in firmware (?) or uh oh.

DP to HDMI cables should work fine for those who need 2.1 features (4k @ 120?)

PS
Anyway, shows what pain in the back HDMi crap with all that encrypt and re-encrypt waste is.

FWIW, AMD already has a proprietary firmware blob, which is required for AMDGPU to even work. It would just be a matter of AMD moving the HDMI 2.1 support into that already existing blob.
Nvidia already does so and packs this support within the firmware itself, so even their open kernel modules have support for it.

But yeah, HDMI is a pain.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Can we appreciate after 9+ pages that the discussion has gone from "AMD really messed up their reveal and un-reveal in late January" to "wow, this might actually compete with the 5070...and given the fact cards were nearly on shelves almost a month and a half ago the inventory should mean this isn't a paper launch."

All it took was for Nvidia to burn a few cards using their "fixed" cheaper connector, and forget some ROPs, and have a paper launch, oh and to price their middle range card well into the premium tier. Man, I want to support you AMD. I want to believe you can win. That said, if you pull a Blackwell level of crap launch after being handed this win I'm going to think that you want to commit market suicide. If you can offer some real 9070XTs at your MSRP then anyone looking at cards as old as or older than the 3000 series from Nvidia are finally looking at very good reasons to upgrade. Fingers crossed.

 

[wolf]

Who gifted you a 5080? Do they want to be my best friend?

Family, there's a fair story behind it for another day, but it was a meterial thank you for some significant efforts I've made. My lovely wife was asking more questions than usual about my hobby which instantly made sense when it arrived at the door.

This is what some people forget when they say "if the 9070 XT is more expensive in retail just like the 5070 Ti, it'll be a fail".

At this rate I don't think the 9070XT can be a "fail", but if most available cards are significantly enough above MSRP it will take much of the shine away. Here's hoping all the stockpiling was worth it. Pending reviews I'm absolutely recommending it to everyone I know that's salivating for an upgrade and doesn't want to get gouged on a 50 series / wait and put in loads of effort trying to secure one at MSRP.

 

[wheresmycar]

My lovely wife was asking more questions than usual about my hobby which instantly made sense when it arrived at the door.

Wow! I was asked the same at some point, only ended up with a ~£50 aftershave.