Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+

[jootn2kx]

Need to see more FSR4 vs DLSS4 data.

Agreed i'm bit surprised there are barely any FSR4 tests.
I would like to see latency difference between fsr4 and multiframe generation. Maybe also comparison fsr4 vs lossless scaling (which has been improving like crazy last few months).

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

A lost cause though.
All the R&D effort for much smaller margins and market share.

Margins are VERY high on those big cards. You don't think Nvidia made billions off of low margins did you?

The 5080 doesnt cost $350 more to make then a 5070ti. I doubt there is a $350 delta between a 4060 and the 5090.

People in that segment are after halo products and don't care about 20% discounts.

We've heard the "people dont want AMD and dont care if they compete" mantra for months here, only for this thread to prove that idea very, VERY wrong. As predicted.

If AMD releases a COMPETITIVE flagship, it will sell.

 

[Hyderz]

Great result and hopefully customers can get it at msrp and back to my original comment I still think it’s an experiment card from AMD especially in the rt department and it shows the massive improvement there.. if RDNA4 can achieve this next gen UDNA is gonna be very exciting

 

[SSGBryan]

It's what now? When did it become irrelevant again?

It has always been irrelevant.

 

[alwayssts]

People gotta stop smoking those averages. This is why you struggle with the stutter.

Well, that, and apparently nVIDIA's frametimes. Thanks Jay.

 

[JIWIL]

First good news I've read in... I can't even remember. Please let stock be plentiful.

 

[SSGBryan]

The only people not murdering each other are the Intel fans (all 4 of them)

There are dozens of us!

Dozens!

I am just as happy with my B580 as I was with my a770.

 

[Palindrome]

Ain't over till the fat lady sings. Availability of MSRP-level cards still to be seen. Improved idle/desktop power draw is very welcome.

 

[Acesbong]

So this is a 4070 ti super (900-950€) a year later for (750-800€?)
I don't see the reason for all the excitement. It's ok.

 

[Scattergrunt]

There are dozens of us!

Dozens!

Better than 0. At least Intel fans are pretty humble.

I am just as happy with my B580 as I was with my a770.

Can't wait for any new Intel GPUs, but I don't know if were gonna get a potential B770.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

It's what now? When did it become irrelevant again?

For dealing with heat or PSUs? It's never been irrelevant. Where it becomes irrelevant is when people start hand-wringing about electric bills, because $10 in electricity a year shouldnt be a dealbreaker when you are buying $300+ luxury items. But when people have no good reason to reject something, they will invent new problems.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

It will all come down to pricing in the end. IF MSRP is really $599 then it's a decent buy, not great just decent. IF on the other hand real street price is closer to Sapphire's $730, it's a dissapointment. I mean I got 4070TIS in retail for 700 bucks. Granted, it's 8% slower than 9070XT on average but has better upscaling option in form of DLSS4. So I'd say it's a tie at 600 and thumb down if it's 700 bucks or more. All in all Blackwell and RDNA4 will go down as very bad generations. One can choose between compete stagnation and marginal improvement. Gone are the days when next gen dGPU releases were actually exciting

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

So this is a 4070 ti super (900-950€) a year later for (750-800€?)
I don't see the reason for all the excitement. It's ok.

It's a 4070ti super for the MSRP of a 4070, that's a 25% price reduction. Let us not forget, the ada refresh cards (IE the supers) had their prices lowered in response to weak demand (see also, the 4080 super). Most importantly, it is 4070ti super+ performance from a company that ISNT nvidia.

 

[Exargy]

Does anyone know what XTX was used in these tests? I imagine different AIBs getting different results, and it’s no surprise the Nitro+ is such a beast, but I wonder how the Nitro+ 70 XT compares to its XTX counterpart in raster.

 

[blued]

Why are the relative performance, FPS per $ and other charts not including both 9070 and XT cards so we can see their comparability vs one another?

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

It will all come down to pricing in the end. IF MSRP is really $599 then it's a decen tbuy, not great just decent. IF on the other hand real street price is close to Sapphire's $730, it's a dissapointment. I mean I got 4070TIS in retail for 700 bucks. Granted, it's 8% slower than 9070XT on average but has better upscaling option in form of DLSS4. So I'd say it's a tie at 600 and thumb down if it's 700 bucks or more. All in all Blackwell and RDNA4 will go down as very bad generations. One can choose between compete stagnation and marginal improvement.

The RT improvements in rDNA4 are pretty impressive. Nobody was expecting miracles here.

Gonna are the days when next gen dGPU releases were exciting

One generation of GPUs being made on the same process didnt bring drastic improvements and you're predicting the end times for GPU excitement? LOL.

Everyone said the same thing with turing. Then we got ampere.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Mhm, looks exactly where I thought it would land. ~5% below RTX 4080 in raster, ~5% below 4070 Ti Super in RT, with large improvements in the feature set which mostly make it look ok next to Ada, something that RDNA 3 didn't manage to do. Definitely an overhyped product, however by no means a bad one, it's a very solid midranger. Price made or broke it, and at the suggested retail price, it's a win in my book. After a couple of years of driver updates I expect it to be more or less at the RTX 4080 Super's performance level.

Whether the extra $130 is worth for Sapphire's improvements, beefy cooler and 12v-2x6 input is worth, that is up to the customer, it certainly damages the value proposition of the 9070 XT, but on the other hand you get a very premium product indeed. I'd be happy to part with this kind of cash. Unfortunately... this thing doesn't perform anywhere near as well as I want my PC's GPU to perform, if I had waited for it from the RTX 4080 I had over the past 2 years I would be pretty disappointed.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

One generation of GPUs being made on the same process didnt bring drastic improvements and you're predicting the end times for GPU excitement? LOL.

What's to be excited about?... Turing was a flop, Ampere was good on paper but abysmal in real life due to crypto craze, Lovelace was a flop besides 4090 and now Blackwell is a flop due to quoting Steve from Gamers Nexus: "Jensen saying FU to gamers" and embrassing AI cash cows. The last generation that got me excited was Pascal and Polaris. It's been 8 years of a complete shitshow in dGPU market and it looks like things will only worsen with trade wars and AI craze

 

[Denver]

I just don't get it.
How could it be both more power hungry and less performant in HUB review, if it is so ahead at fixed FPS?

I don't know, but you're not the only one who noticed this. HUB's numbers are way below all the other reviews. Maybe… he broke his OS for the millionth time?

 

[Daven]

More reviews will be added, I have 14 more GPUs that I need to publish .. 5090, 5080, 5070 Ti, 5070, 9070 XT, 9070

It's just too many to handle

Oh dear and the 5060, 5060Ti, 9060 and 9060XT are just around the corner. If Intel wakes up, W1zzard might explode!!!

 

[dir_d]

I don't know, but you're not the only one who noticed this. HUB's numbers are way below all the other reviews. Maybe… he broke his OS for the millionth time?

I believe there's a big difference between the OC models and the non OC models. This GPU seems to clock very well.

 

[AnotherReader]

Mhm, looks exactly where I thought it would land. ~5% below RTX 4080 in raster, ~5% below 4070 Ti Super in RT, with large improvements in the feature set which mostly make it look ok next to Ada, something that RDNA 3 didn't manage to do. Definitely an overhyped product, however by no means a bad one, it's a very solid midranger. Price made or broke it, and at the suggested retail price, it's a win in my book. After a couple of years of driver updates I expect it to be more or less at the RTX 4080 Super's performance level.

Whether the extra $130 is worth for Sapphire's improvements, beefy cooler and 12v-2x6 input is worth, that is up to the customer, it certainly damages the value proposition of the 9070 XT, but on the other hand you get a very premium product indeed. I'd be happy to part with this kind of cash. Unfortunately... this thing doesn't perform anywhere near as well as I want my PC's GPU to perform, if I had waited for it from the RTX 4080 I had over the past 2 years I would be pretty disappointed.

I don't think it was overhyped; on the contrary, many leaks and AMD's own projections led many to conclude that it wouldn't be faster than the 7900 XT. AMD's own claims were rather conservative for a while.

 

[Roboyt0]

It's a 12V2x6 (H++). The included cable meets this spec, too.

I was speaking of this. RTX 3000 had 6-pins split into 3 groups of 2. This way you couldn't end up with the vast majority, or all, of the load through a single pin. Why we're seeing the resurgence of melting with 5080's and 5090's.

If things were to go awry, the card still pulls enough amps/watts to torch a single wire/pin on the 12V-2x6. Each pin/wire is spec'd to max at ~9A.

 

[Dave65]

Any idea on Blender work loads?

 

[SilentPeace]

Where you looking?

OCUK has models at £569. The 5070ti's are all £800+

All out of stock, but OCUK have stock incoming.

I was looking at OcUK. Their 9070 XTs are also up to £800. I agree the AMD cards are cheaper, but also a little slower and use more power. Plus when you come to sell it later you'll get less for it, so it's swings and roundabouts. Doesn't seem like a terribly exciting proposition to me.