Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+

[AusWolf]

As I've said, that's not how it works. But whatever, you do you.

Yes it is how it works. But yeah, you do you.

 

[AusWolf]

Disregarding everything else, how much cheaper does this need to be (in terms of store price, not MSRP) compared to the 5070ti to buy this instead with that ridiculous power draw? They really hit it out of the park on that one, but not in a good way.

If I remember right, you said you'd get one if it came with a 12-pin power connector. Well, here's your chance. It won't get any cheaper than this anytime soon.

No it is not but you will keep insisting until death instead of just dunno, googling and educating yourself. Damn

Look in the mirror, sir.

 

[JustBenching]

If I remember right, you said you'd get one if it came with a 12-pin power connector. Well, here's your chance. It won't get any cheaper than this anytime soon.


Look in the mirror, sir.

Not with that stupid power draw though

 

[AusWolf]

Not with that stupid power draw though

Ah right, the power draw... Because the "you can undervolt it" argument only applies to the 4090. Gotcha.

 

[Shou Miko]

OverclockersUK has teased on X and together with Adrian Thompson from Sapphire that they have 1000 or more RX 9070 XT Pulse at MSRP



Source: https://x.com/SAPPHIRE_Adrian/status/1896973507013304450

Better photos on OCUK's forum: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-ocuk-kings-of-stock-1000s-in-stock.18999810/

 

[Dr. Dro]

Disregarding everything else, how much cheaper does this need to be (in terms of store price, not MSRP) compared to the 5070ti to buy this instead with that ridiculous power draw? They really hit it out of the park on that one, but not in a good way.

Well, I brought it up before. This is obviously going to be one of, if not the very best performing model of 9070 XT (generally following the tradition of Sapphire Nitro cards being THE Radeons to get), and it does come at a sizable premium. I doubt it'll be sold at the $730 that Sapphire is asking for, and I personally expect its street pricing after initial MSRP batches go to be pretty similar to that of the MSRP (FE/basic AIB design) 5070 Ti's.

That leaves a situational choice for the customer, if they value Nvidia's ecosystem or their games run better on 5070 Ti, get that, otherwise, there are a roughly equal amount of games where this card has a strong showing, and it comes with AMD's traditionally better Linux support, so it shouldn't disappoint either.

We needed a GPU like this for a very long time.

OverclockersUK has teased on X and together with Adrian Thompson from Sapphire that they have 1000 or more RX 9070 XT Pulse at MSRP

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Source: https://x.com/SAPPHIRE_Adrian/status/1896973507013304450

Better photos on OCUK's forum: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-ocuk-kings-of-stock-1000s-in-stock.18999810/

While 1000 cards might as well be more than the entire 50 series stack global supply at launch, it's still not a whole lot of cards for the demand. This can probably barely cover the UK's enthusiast crowd, unfortunately. And they'll still have some demand unmet.

 

[Rover4444]

Why are so many of these cards so fat, by the way? 6800 XT never had this problem.

Now if they come up with an efficient compute runtime like CUDA... they'll have closed the gap as far as I'm concerned.

They already have that. It's ROCm. Lot of features missing on the hardware compared to NVIDIA, even on newer cards.

 

[JustBenching]

Ah right, the power draw... Because the "you can undervolt it" argument only applies to the 4090. Gotcha.

I've never ever ever ever suggested undervolting a card as a selling point. EVER. Let me repeat it, EVER

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not trying to lie here, you might be talking about power limiting? Sure, I've mentioned that. You can power limit any card - yes. That doesn't change the comparison, the 9070xt will still consume a lot more power than a 5070ti since you can power limit both and the latter needs a lot less power for the same performance. How exactly will powerlimiting a 9070xt make it pull less / same power as the 5070ti at iso performance?

 

[AusWolf]

Well, I brought it up before. This is obviously going to be one of, if not the very best performing model of 9070 XT (generally following the tradition of Sapphire Nitro cards being THE Radeons to get), and it does come at a sizable premium. I doubt it'll be sold at the $730 that Sapphire is asking for, and I personally expect its street pricing after initial MSRP batches go to be pretty similar to that of the MSRP (FE/basic AIB design) 5070 Ti's.

That leaves a situational choice for the customer, if they value Nvidia's ecosystem or their games run better on 5070 Ti, get that, otherwise, there are a roughly equal amount of games where this card has a strong showing, and it comes with AMD's traditionally better Linux support, so it shouldn't disappoint either.

We needed a GPU like this for a very long time.



While 1000 cards might as well be more than the entire 50 series stack global supply at launch, it's still not a whole lot of cards for the demand. This can probably barely cover the UK's enthusiast crowd, unfortunately. And they'll still have some demand unmet.

It's listed at OCUK for £699.95 VAT included.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Why are so many of these cards so fat, by the way? 6800 XT never had this problem.

Unless all cards go liquid (which has issues of its own), the only way to make them quieter is to increase heat dissipation area. The only way to do so is to make the cards thicker so the heatsink and fins are larger, maximizing surface area. This will allow the chip to transfer heat more effectively, slow down the "heat soak" effect (as it takes longer to heat up all of the metal) and allow acoustic tuning to take place. Not even Nvidia's engineering marvel of a flow through design made a 575 W dual slot card quiet, something all 5090 reviews definitely accounted for and probably one of the reasons AMD opted not to release a reference design 9070 XT.

It's listed at OCUK for £699.95 VAT included.

Yes, notice the "after initial MSRP batches are gone"

 

[JustBenching]

Well, I brought it up before. This is obviously going to be one of, if not the very best performing model of 9070 XT (generally following the tradition of Sapphire Nitro cards being THE Radeons to get), and it does come at a sizable premium. I doubt it'll be sold at the $730 that Sapphire is asking for, and I personally expect its street pricing after initial MSRP batches go to be pretty similar to that of the MSRP (FE/basic AIB design) 5070 Ti's.

That leaves a situational choice for the customer, if they value Nvidia's ecosystem or their games run better on 5070 Ti, get that, otherwise, there are a roughly equal amount of games where this card has a strong showing, and it comes with AMD's traditionally better Linux support, so it shouldn't disappoint either.

We needed a GPU like this for a very long time.

I like the card but I can't see me buying this thing to save 150$ and have to suffer that much extra power. It's a lot, and it seems to extent to the more entry level cards as well, HUB supposedly tested the Pure and his power draw numbers were still crazy high.

 

[AusWolf]

I've never ever ever ever suggested undervolting a card as a selling point. EVER. Let me repeat it, EVER

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not trying to lie here, you might be talking about power limiting? Sure, I've mentioned that. You can power limit any card - yes. That doesn't change the comparison, the 9070xt will still consume a lot more power than a 5070ti since you can power limit both and the latter needs a lot less power for the same performance. How exactly will powerlimiting a 9070xt make it pull less / same power as the 5070ti at iso performance?

Well, pay more for the same performance, then. Personally, I'd just look at a more reasonable 9070 XT model (which is what I'm gonna do). Each to their own, I suppose.

Yes, notice the "after initial MSRP batches are gone"

Yeah, that's a real bummer.

 

[JustBenching]

Well, pay more for the same performance, then. Personally, I'd just look at a more reasonable 9070 XT model (which is what I'm gonna do). Each to their own, I suppose.

Even the most reasonable 70xt is over your personal absolute max limit of 250w. You are out of luck man, but the 9070 should be under that.

 

[Dr. Dro]

They already have that. It's ROCm. Lot of features missing on the hardware compared to NVIDIA, even on newer cards.

ROCm... is not ready, nor is it available on Windows in a runtime format.

I like the card but I can't see me buying this thing to save 150$ and have to suffer that much extra power. It's a lot, and it seems to extent to the more entry level cards as well, HUB supposedly tested the Pure and his power draw numbers were still crazy high.

Well... it's not exactly for me either, which is why I got a 5090. But the power draw is the least of my worries, even in this case. 100 W won't exactly make me change my mind. Now if they fail to fulfill my order within the promised lead time, I'm going to be quite tempted to cancel it and might pick up this card by default. Specifically this model.

 

[AusWolf]

Even the most reasonable 70xt is over your personal absolute max limit of 250w. You are out of luck man, but the 9070 should be under that.

I thought of that, but it's not that much cheaper, and I'm not planning to upgrade for a while after this, so I might as well bite the bullet.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's for both heat and waste. A bottle of cola costs 1€ but I ain't throwing down the sink just so I can afford it, so why would you treat electricity and differently? The card consuming the power is does is awful for the performance available.

While you make a fair point, ATM there are no other high/higher performance alternatives that are also energy efficient. So your argument about power consumption is of little consequence.

 

[PaddieMayne]

Overclockers UK have the Sapphire Pulse 9070xt for £569. Hoping to bag one for my wife.

Cheapest 5070 I can find in the UK available is £709, Cheapest 5070ti available is £900. I think the 5070 series is dead now.

 

[Rover4444]

Unless all cards go liquid (which has issues of its own), the only way to make them quieter is to increase heat dissipation area. The only way to do so is to make the cards thicker so the heatsink and fins are larger, maximizing surface area. This will allow the chip to transfer heat more effectively, slow down the "heat soak" effect (as it takes longer to heat up all of the metal) and allow acoustic tuning to take place. Not even Nvidia's engineering marvel of a flow through design made a 575 W dual slot card quiet, something all 5090 reviews definitely accounted for and probably one of the reasons AMD opted not to release a reference design 9070 XT.

Okay okay, but having EVERY card (besides PowerColor and one ASUS model, thank you PowerColor) be a three-slot+ or near three-slot? I don't think any of the 6800 XTs were even flow-through!

Sapphire's putting a three-slot on their baseline Pulse, two eight pins only. WHY

ROCm... is not ready, nor is it available on Windows in a runtime format.

Works for me. The hardware's what's holding it back for the most part, not ROCm itself... outside of the unofficial support, having to build for each card, and narrow support windows. As far as I know, it's just a translation layer for CUDA that devs can port to, devs not doing it and AMD not putting it on Windows is really on them.

 

[AusWolf]

While you make a fair point, ATM there are no other high/higher performance alternatives that are also energy efficient. So your argument about power consumption is of little consequence.

Especially at a $/€/£150 MSRP difference. If you assume a 50 W difference and 4 hours of gaming each day, you would only see the price difference returned over 8.21 years at current UK electricity prices. Penny wise, pound stupid, as they say.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Especially at a $150 MSRP difference. If you assume a 50 W difference and 4 hours of gaming each day, you would only see the price difference returned over 8.21 years at current UK electricity prices.

Nearly double that time at US power prices. Power here is fairly cheap ATM.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Okay okay, but having EVERY card (besides PowerColor and one ASUS model, thank you PowerColor) be a three-slot+ or near three-slot? I don't think any of the 6800 XTs were even flow-through!

MBA 6800 XT were regular triple fan axial designs. Many factors involved, by the way, and one of the factors that matters the most is the heat density of ever smaller chips. Navi 21 was large at 520 mm² and approximately 10% of it was disabled (and thus dark) on the 6800 XT, this one is at 357 mm², cranking out the same wattage. It's more difficult to cool.

Still, they can make relatively compact designs based on it, the Pulse 9070 non-XT is about the same size of most 6700 XT's, just a simple dual fan axial.

 

[Jtuck9]

Nearly double that time at US power prices. Power here is fairly cheap ATM.

I've heard good things about geothermal advances to boot!

 

[R0H1T]

Sure, I've mentioned that. You can power limit any card - yes. That doesn't change the comparison, the 9070xt will still consume a lot more power than a 5070ti since you can power limit both and the latter needs a lot less power for the same performance. How exactly will powerlimiting a 9070xt make it pull less / same power as the 5070ti at iso performance?

That's now how power draw or power limiting works, it's literally silicon lottery at that point so YMWV. How do you think Intel can sell the 14700 with such low "TDP" when the unlocked K version is a mini furnace?

 

[JustBenching]

ATM there are no other high/higher performance alternatives that are also energy efficient.

How did you figure that? The 9070xt consumes more power than a 5080, a 5070ti, a 4070ti super, a 4080, a 4080 super while being as fast or slower than all of these. Almost every nvidia card of the last 2 generations (bar the 4060) is more efficient

https://tpucdn.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/images/energy-efficiency.png

 

[Jtuck9]

How did you figure that? The 9070xt consumes more power than a 5080, a 5070ti, a 4070ti super, a 4080, a 4080 super while being as fast or slower than all of these. Almost every nvidia card of the last 2 generations (bar the 4060) is more efficient

https://tpucdn.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/images/energy-efficiency.png

What do we think the scope for improvement is going forward on these cards?