No kidding, eh? Well gee wiz, I'll have to remember that...
It's fine to disagree, guy!
Say why you don't agree. Offer a better solution. Have the conversation. That is the POINT OF THE FORUM. TO MAKE CONVERSATION. To get people to engage.
Do you feel the increased raster is worth it over other products and not worth saving for the better one? That's cool if you do!
You see, context is important. This is an important part of language lost on people sometimes.
When a person makes a thread and appears ready to buy a better thing, and are just slightly confused about an aspect of it, I feel it's okay to be slightly more blunt/affirming...Because they're probably going to buy the better thing (you and I know is worth it) anyway, AS INFERRED BY WHAT HE WROTE. It's called paying attention to the situation and NOT making it more complicated for someone that may not be as informed. I have now explained basic language skills to you.
*sigh*
I will wait and see what the price difference will actually be in the real world (and different locations). Something tells me that the “50 dollar more” for the XT will not actually keep anywhere other than the MSRP listed in the reviews. Which should make the 9070 an actually interesting product - a sub-250W with a 16G frame buffer and plenty enough grunt for mostly anything sane. I doubt that most well-specced AIB models of the 9070XT will actually exist below 700, which makes the 9070 more interesting too. Can also get away with lesser models - 100W difference is nothing to sneeze at in terms of cooling. 250 you can easily cool with a dual slot dual fan, maybe 2.5 slot. 350 - not so much.
I hope prices hold...The market is weird right now given the attrition before these products release, not-to-mention what nVIDIA is doing with their supply, so it could happen...but we're told supply is good.
So I suppose we'll see. I choose to believe, if nothing else, the price of 9070 could actually *drop*, as that's usually the case with lesser models of this class or lower (back before the lowest class was more-or-less only one model), and W1zzard even mentioned in his coverage of the architecture he believes, as well, these could be target for a market as low as $350. I don't know if that low, or rather very quickly, but it certainly possible over time. I feel it's more likely a drop to $500 quickly, if not even $450, is possible...but much below $400 would appear unlikely to me. I don't feel there will be similar demand for 9070 as XT. I feel at this point they would be a suitable option when they would truly be an improvement in price/perf to a new tier of customer (formerly relegated to <7800xt).
I'm now going to give my opinion on the RAM situation, which is the
actual point of this thread.
I believe you shouldn't worry. It's a complicated topic for this post (maybe), but it comes down to the fact the core speed "can" be maxed out, just not all shaders used at that max clock (I feel likely because of bandwidth limitations), which could cause a certain amount of centralized heat to those high-clocked units (creating a high thermal density that may also effect the ram). If you look at the hot spot temp, you'll notice it fairly closely aligns with the VRAM in the worse-case scenarios. I feel this is by design. AMD/partners are pushing everything right to the edge, but don't feel they would do it unless it was within acceptable tolerances. Part of this is due to keeping the prices low on coolers, but partially the design of the chip itself, which is of very high density and clocks higher than anything we've seen before.
I feel XT was designed with a 375W envelope, and for typical coolers that come along with that tier of card that usually do not butt up against that limit, but now are. When there is a higher tier, likely with larger margin (and ofc permeating more heat), I feel a higher class of cooler will be used. This type of scenario (in the old ATi days) was actually very common, but obviously lower TDP and simple coolers.
Suppose you've got an earlier generation system, with something like maybe a Ryzen 1000/2000 or 6th/7th Gen Core CPU but you're in need of a new GPU because your old one malfunctioned and you have no plans or funds to do a full rebuild, the regular 9070 will work for these folks just fine during the window the 9060 XT and 5060 Ti aren't available yet.
Otherwise yeah, put down the extra bones for the XT or a 5070 Ti.
C'mon, man. Do I have to explain why that doesn't make sense and/or other conceivable options that make more sense in that purely hypothetical scenario?
I don't get why people are making these what-if statements for a guy that was just worried about VRAM temp, which
clearly the AIBs are talking about thermal pads etc so people don't worry about.
Again, guys, it's very conceivable they knew people would ask about these things, hence they likely got out in front of it. This is Occam's Razor. I really didn't think I would have to explain all this to you.
I think guy just wanted to hear "It's okay, don't worry about it. XT will be fine and it's worth it."
I went a little further by throwing a little shade at AMD for the pricing/config of 9070 no-suffix (which clocks VERY LOW and is priced PRETTY HIGH compared to it's better brother RN).
This is called "feedback".
