The availability is generally poor. Granted, it’s technically better than the 5000 series, but that isn’t saying much. I track prices in several jurisdictions and countries and storefronts our of curiosity and actual MSRP cards are less populous than a fucking black unicorn. We’ll see 6 moths down the line. Unless you desperately need a card RIGHT NOW I can’t in good conscience advise buying today.
"Technically"? You imply there is a difference without a distinction. Screencaps of the Microcenter launch stock show 150+ launch units per store with individual online stores having over 1000 units. Out of the few times I've randomly checked availability online at various stores (amazon, newegg, best buy, etc) there was stock (albeit at $750 - $800).
Nvidia had less than 10 stock per Microcenter location.
I can understand that to consumers out of stock is the same regardless of how much had existed, but this argument requires you to ignore the significant differences we are seeing. A lot of people will make that kind of statement out of frustration, because once again they were not able to get a graphics card.
Saying they are even remotely equal is counter-productive, there is very clearly a sizable difference. What's the incentive for AMD to even bother holding back a launch in the future to build up stock if they are going to be chastised to the same degree as Nvidia for selling out, regardless of how many units were actually available.
I'm seeing this kind of attitude in some subreddits as well and I'll just warm PC gamers, you get the market you deserve. If the general PC gaming public doesn't seem to care about additional launch stock (as in it treats 1 5090 / store vs 100 9070 XTs / store the same), then expect AMD to just not care as well in future releases and more closely mirror Nvidia. Acting on arguments of emotion and washing away the very real difference between the two launches will in fact only bring the market further from the desired launch conditions.
We have yet to see how well AMD can stock up over the coming months and there's also the question of whether AMD will continue to have a good amount of MSRP cards. These are the big lingering questions. AMD has made statements affirming good stock coming in and more MSRP cards and customers should hold them to that, not engaging in arguments borne of emotion.
Maybe. Or maybe stores got their inventory before the new US-China import tariffs kicked in, and all further stock will have it added on.
IMO any increase in price as it relates to the tariff would and should look unfavorably upon AMD (and the same applies to Nvidia as well)
They knew months and months in advance that there was a potential for tariffs. Regardless of whatever probability they thought they'd actually be implemented, AMD should have priced their products accordingly, taking them into account. If they price their products too low and have to increase them due to extremely obvious and forseen tariffs, that is their bad and they would deserve any flak they receive.
Pretending as if they didn't know allows them to socialize the costs to the ignorant masses while keeping all their profits. These business aren't stupid, they are playing the stupid. It's the same thing for the chicken industry in the united states. In order to save 1 cent per pound they don't vaccinate their chickens against bird flu. Oh look at that, we have to cull 80% of all our hens? That's ok, we'll just pass the cost onto consumers by raising prices. Rinse and repeat for any cost increase be it tariff or other long forseen risks.
You are probably right about that. Tariffs are a stupid idea proven all the way back in the 1930s, so why we are doing them now makes no sense to me. No argument from me there.
I still think the price jumps can't be attributed solely to tariffs, they have not risen high enough yet.
Tariffs are useful and often necessary for countries to enable the growth of developing industries (mostly 3rd world countries) in a nation. It is, for example, very hard for a vehicle industry startup coming from nothing in a less than ideal investment environment (with often a lack of skilled labor, infrastructure, and logistical networks) to immediately compete with the big auto manufacturers without significant help. What typically happens in 3rd world countries if developing industries don't get help, is those outside auto companies tend to take over and control the market.
Blanket tariffs are 100% stupid though, particularly on goods that you cannot immediately replace. At that point it's just a tax on middle and low income people. Bill gates isn't impacted by the 0.25 cent increase in the cost of a toothbrush.
they are available, but cost 750eur up for 9070, 950eur up for 9070xt. wanted to buy one today, but not gonna pay a 350eur premium over msrp for the basic asus prime model. Taichi/Red Devil cost the same as cheapest 5070Ti's like ventus or gainward phoenix
Yeah, the premium over MSRP of many of these cards has gotten out of hand. It's just another way they are trying to get people to pay more when they are allocating so much stock to those models.
MSRP was for launch-day only. That price is going away. After that, until supply exceeds demand, prices will be much higher. I think they will eventually come back down, but if they're not making any money at MSRP, I don't expect prices to go below that until we're on to next generations and they need to clear out stock (assuming there's ever too much stock). Check out this listing from Best Buy showing that the MSRP pricing was limited to launch day only. They even put a count-down on it (which started with 16 hours from the launch time):
I have an extremely hard time believing that they aren't making money on a card that's $100 more expensive than a last gen product (which itself was only good value in comparison to Nvidia's modern pricing structure) with a very similar die size on the exact same node with the same RAM configuration (7800 XT). Nodes get less expensive over time and so does the memory.
AMD's GPU margins are likely so small due to the much lower volume they move. A lot of the cost of GPUs is sunk into the R&D and software. The more cards they move, the lower the cost on a per-unit basis.