RX 9070 availability

[Bomby569]

Did you bother actually watching the video?

I ask because the first point that he makes answers this retort. No, it was not as papery of a launch as Nvidia. Yes, not everybody could get a card day one. Yes, scalping is prevalent. No, it's not worth buying these cards at the scalping prices. You're welcome to say a lot about GN, but they made all of this clear in the time most ADHD addled minds can continue to pay attention. Even dancing around calling it a paper launch because the data doesn't support that...if anecdotal experience sucked.


Regarding the other side...to have enough for everyone who wants one to have one on day one would require a stupid huge bank build, considering both AMD and Nvidia have spent the last several months "clearing out the channel." IE, not producing anything new from the old stuff, and allowing the consistent sales demand to clear inventory. Again, maybe 1 month of partial manufacture and 2-3 months of full production. Given demand is basically a peak followed by a huge drop off to stability, it sucks. Scalpers will get rewarded by people too impatient that buy a card, and rational people who can wait 2 months will likely see refresh 3 or 4 providing enough stock to have something on the shelves. It seems silly to say this, but not having a card day one is not a conspiracy when you've spent months driving demand up with scarcity.

i finally saw the video and Steve actually called it a paper launch

 

[Dr. Dro]

Did you bother actually watching the video?

I ask because the first point that he makes answers this retort. No, it was not as papery of a launch as Nvidia. Yes, not everybody could get a card day one. Yes, scalping is prevalent. No, it's not worth buying these cards at the scalping prices. You're welcome to say a lot about GN, but they made all of this clear in the time most ADHD addled minds can continue to pay attention. Even dancing around calling it a paper launch because the data doesn't support that...if anecdotal experience sucked.

"Have you watched the video you shared yourself? Not as papery a launch" is about the saddest attempt I've ever seen at pro-AMD damage control I have ever seen. Do better. He spent the entire video bringing up and reinforcing virtually all points brought forth in this thread thus far. And excuse us in the rest of the world if we truly could not care less about Micro Center and OCUK getting (still not enough) stock for the launch.

 

[AusWolf]

"Have you watched the video you shared yourself? Not as papery a launch" is about the saddest attempt I've ever seen at pro-AMD damage control I have ever seen. Do better.

The AMD launch was a bit less shit than Nvidia's. There were more cards available. That's a fact. Whether you call it a saving grace, or shit of (nearly) equal measure is up to you.

The only thing I'm inclined to completely disagree with is if someone calls AMD out on a paper launch without acknowledging Nvidia's unmitigated dumpster fire.

There aren't enough cards. Any cards. Pointing fingers is useless.

 

[Bomby569]

The AMD launch was a bit less shit than Nvidia's. There were more cards available. That's a fact. Whether you call it a saving grace, or shit of (nearly) equal measure is up to you.

The only thing I'm inclined to completely disagree with is if someone calls AMD out on a paper launch without acknowledging Nvidia's unmitigated dumpster fire.

There aren't enough cards. Any cards. Pointing fingers is useless.

it's a paper launch and what the other guys did is irrelevant (it was also a paper launch), if you're going to release a product the least you could do is make sure you have stock, this is applied to gpus, chickens, toilet paper, etc...
On the AMD subreddit there are accounts of stores not getting a single card, and the world is not just the UK, the US or the bigger cities like Steve pointed out.

 

[AusWolf]

it's a paper launch and what the other guys did is irrelevant (it was also a paper launch), if you're going to release a product the least you could do is make sure you have stock, this is applied to gpus, chickens, toilet paper, etc...
On the AMD subreddit there are accounts of stores not getting a single card, and the world is not just the UK, the US or the bigger cities like Steve pointed out.

Exactly - so let's not point fingers at AMD alone.

 

[Bomby569]

Exactly - so let's not point fingers at AMD alone.

someone had to be off their meds to claim the 5000 series was not a paper launch, i don't think I've seen a single person claim that, not even in the r/nvidia

 

[Dr. Dro]

The AMD launch was a bit less shit than Nvidia's. There were more cards available. That's a fact. Whether you call it a saving grace, or shit of (nearly) equal measure is up to you.

The only thing I'm inclined to completely disagree with is if someone calls AMD out on a paper launch without acknowledging Nvidia's unmitigated dumpster fire.

There aren't enough cards. Any cards. Pointing fingers is useless.

...which, GN has. It seems I wasn't the one who did not watch the video, after all

 

[RandallFlagg]

It should be obvious at this point that neither AMD nor Nvidia is going to use its limited TSMC fab allocation to allow the dGPU market to have reasonable prices. They both have more lucrative markets for that allocation (Epyc, or AI/Blackwell). Nvidia's AI revenue is literally 13X its client/gaming revenue (32B vs 2.5B).

What's happening now is predictable. Regardless of what AMD/Nvidia charge for the GPU (chip), retailers are now increasing prices to the market price. AIBs now see this as well so they are increasing prices on the next 'batch' of cards.

In other words they are in price discovery and will raise prices until they get supply / demand in equilibrium.

It doesn't really matter what AMD/Nvidia say or do, they simply mis-priced their GPUs (chips) and let retail / AIB soak up some high profit margins. This is probably done on purpose, to keep these companies alive in case they need them in the future.

The only one that might be able disrupt this market right now is Intel.

Since I still wanted to buy something, I bought a drone instead so I could inspect my roof after some wind storms.

 

[Bomby569]

why not just end the AIB thing, and do like Sony does with the PS5, let someone make the thing and Nvidia/AMD would sell them with a fixed MSRP. At this point they aren't serving any useful purpose anymore and are just making things worst, gpu's sell themselves and influencers do the job any Asus marketing team could do and probably better, they don't need a middle man. 42% over MSRP is just absurd, there is no way in hell whatever they do can justify the price differences.

 

[RandallFlagg]

why not just end the AIB thing, and do like Sony does with the PS5, let someone make the thing and Nvidia/AMD would sell them with a fixed MSRP. At this point they aren't serving any useful purpose anymore and are just making things worst, gpu's sell themselves and influencers do the job any Asus marketing team could do and probably better, they don't need a middle man. 42% over MSRP is just absurd, there is no way in hell whatever they do can justify the price differences.

Wouldn't make any difference. They have to fab the chips for there to be supply. Having only one channel to buy through would just make it easier for scalpers, or if sold to retail like PS5 then retail would just mark them up to the going price.

 

[wNotyarD]

Paraguayan brick and mortar stores seem to have stock (and I don't know how, at least their websites mention "in stock" or "available") on both RX 9000 and RTX 5000 cards, but pricing on all of them are ludicrous.

9070 - USD 755 to 815
9070XT - USD 910 to 990

In comparison:
5070 - USD 800 to 900
5070Ti - USD 1090 to 1275
5080 - USD 1500 to 1850
5090 - USD 3900 to 3945

 

[Assimilator]

The cheapest 9070 XTs currently available in the UK from etailers, are at least £100 more than what the cheapest model cost on launch day. The level of customer screwage is insane. It doesn't matter whether it was technically a paper launch or not - all that matters is that AMD and NVIDIA are marketing products that either do not exist to purchase, or are never sold at the marketed price during the 20 seconds here an there that they are in stock. Nobody should be giving either company a pass here, this is capitalist greed at its worst.

 

[Event Horizon]

Canada Computers got more stock of the 9070 and 9070xt today. The price of the 9070 models are still the same as launch. Not sure about the XT as I didn't pay much attention to it. The scalpers are going to be very upset here.

 

[Bomby569]

Wouldn't make any difference. They have to fab the chips for there to be supply. Having only one channel to buy through would just make it easier for scalpers, or if sold to retail like PS5 then retail would just mark them up to the going price.

those are different topics: fab issue vs pricing issue. Just talking about the 2nd one now, Nvidia FE cards don't increase in pricing for example.
Nvidia has it's own queue now for people to get their cards and doing so you avoids the scalpers, these could be the standard going forward. They even made people register emails to use their software, so they know who bought their cards in the past and if they used it for gaming.

 

[SirKeldon]

Back to the topic, these are currently the availability/prices at some of the major spanish/ships to spain you can buy online for 9070/XT. Some of them are quite crazy TBH, can't understand that much fluctuation.

edit: bad reviews on the second image corresponds to a lot of ppl getting pissed off due to the pricing stuff/launch situation

 

[Dr. Dro]

Back to the topic, these are currently the availability/prices at some of the major sites you can buy online shipping to Spain on 9070/XT. Some of them are quite crazy TBH, can't understand that much fluctuation.

It could not be any easier to understand: MSRPs are artificial and badly undershot. The prices are utterly unsustainable, this is especially true for the AMD GPUs, but holds true to an extent to all models including the RTX 5090.

If you got a card for MSRP or anything close to it, rejoice. Most won't be that fortunate.

 

[Scattergrunt]

That's luck. The 10/20-series (especailly 10) and RDNA 2 were pretty good generations, imo. You can't possibly know when Nvidia/AMD will replicate such good value again.

Would disagree with 20 series, it only really became a nice buy after 40 series dropped (the prices were still relatively high around ampere, due to.. you know), where the used prices for the 20 series were *just* right. Especially for a 2080S and 2080Ti. 2080Ti surprisingly has good value if you can get one for around ~250 USD. RDNA2 has similar value with the RX 6700XT and RX 6800XT (I actually plan on snagging a RX 6800, funnily enough)

I can imagine that RDNA 3 will also reach that level in the future. Ampere struggles in value due to vram but the 3070 has been popular for used for a long time.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

Overclockers UK (one single retailer) had about 4000 cards at launch. Based on what I've read, that's more than the total number of Nvidia 50-series cards allocated for the whole USA during its launch. So relative to that, 9000-series stock was actually "plentiful".

Edit: Non-XT cards are still available, albeit at an increased price

The AMD launch was a bit less shit than Nvidia's. There were more cards available. That's a fact. Whether you call it a saving grace, or shit of (nearly) equal measure is up to you.

The only thing I'm inclined to completely disagree with is if someone calls AMD out on a paper launch without acknowledging Nvidia's unmitigated dumpster fire.

There aren't enough cards. Any cards. Pointing fingers is useless.

lol Nvidia's 50-series launch is a low bar. By low I mean it's on the ground. For all intents and purposes, there were no cards and still aren't.

I'd say the 9070 and 9070XT launch had more cards than most recent launches, but it still wasn't nearly enough. I think the bigger problem was the launch-day only MSRP. Sure, AMD might be pressured by the consumers (good!) to offer more rebates, allowing more MSRP cards to go on sale, but how many? It's clearly "we're only doing as many as we think will limit complaints". According to GN, they had to reach out to Best Buy after they said the quiet part out loud and called it a "deal price" that was ending 16 hours after the launch minute (by minute, I mean about 5-10 seconds that the availability of MSRP cards lasted on Best Buy). BB indicated that the actual price of that card is $729.99, i.e. there are no "MSRP Models", just models discounted to MSRP when AMD deems it necessary. As GN pointed out (as have many people long before that), there are no AMD graphics cards for 9000 series. So they can't directly control the price of the partner models. They can just offer various rebates or compensation along the distribution chain to cause price-lowering. The partners have a higher MSRP than what AMD is promising, which means it really is a fake MSRP and AMD is putting money into every card sold at that price just for "good will" and to try and not look like the bad guy.

Does any of this make AMD as bad or this launch as bad as Nvidia's 5000-series? Nope. Not even close. That doesn't mean it was flawless and nobody should complain. If there were no complaints, we'd definitely not see any more MSRP rebates happen.

 

[SirKeldon]

It could not be any easier to understand: MSRPs are artificial and badly undershot. The prices are utterly unsustainable, this is especially true for the AMD GPUs, but holds true to an extent to all models including the RTX 5090.

If you got a card for MSRP or anything close to it, rejoice. Most won't be that fortunate.

I was mainly referring to the second retailer charging way more than the others. Surprisingly, it's the same shop where I got mine at 100% AMD MSRP. Now it's by far the one with the highest prices. Just look at the €1100 for the 9070 XT Aorus Elite; I get that it's a top-tier model, but it's kind of unacceptable

I agree with you, those prices weren't sustainable, especially if the 20% tariff situation actually goes through. In the end, that will hit consumers' pockets. It seems like AIBs and retailers anticipated this, just like Linus mentioned on the last WAN Show when talking about the second 9070/XT batch at around 20% increase. So this situation might be here to stay, even if we’re not happy at all about it. And the worst part is, AMD knew this all along and still came up with a fake suggested price which still infuriates us even more, cause we really thought it would stick, at least I did.

So yeah, I’d consider myself lucky, getting it at MSRP feels like I struck gold or something.

 

[Scattergrunt]

The AMD launch was a bit less shit than Nvidia's. There were more cards available. That's a fact. Whether you call it a saving grace, or shit of (nearly) equal measure is up to you.

There was definitely much more stock than NVIDIA, the problem is just that the demand far outweighed the supply. Not to mention, once the initial supply was gone (which it is now), it will take AMD awhile to really restock enough cards to satisfy the demand, due to them probably putting their silicon to their higher margin business stuff (such as CPU's).

I think overall, the launch was still.. fine. The actual cards themselves are great at least. But these prices are not sustainable. I think AMD will be hit really hard when tariffs go into effect, but lets not forget that everyone is losing with tariffs in place.

 

[Bomby569]

I think AMD will be hit really hard when tariffs go into effect, but lets not forget that everyone is losing with tariffs in place.

not everyone is in the US, in fact most of the world isn't, the tariffs wont affect the majority of us and by extension AMD that much

 

[SirKeldon]

not everyone is in the US, in fact most of the world isn't, the tariffs wont affect the majority of us and by extension AMD that much

But AMD is, and if it has to pay 20% more to import his chips before global distribution to the AIBs then it would impact to the rest of the world somehow? Just asking here, I wish I knew more about tax/economic stuff, but being honest, I'm a total failure on that field

 

[Scattergrunt]

not everyone is in the US, in fact most of the world isn't, the tariffs wont affect the majority of us and by extension AMD that much

Hyperbole. Ever heard of it? But they will definitely affect AMD lol. The company is based in the US. It will affect the costs, just not for the rest of the world. When I am talking about the effect, I'm talking specifically within the US (which is a, rather unsurprisingly, one of AMD and NVIDIA's biggest markets. Who could of guessed?)

Sass / attitude aside, I'm actually curious how they'll compare to VAT, even though a tariff and a VAT are not super comparable. The spending power of Europeans vs US should probably be accounted for too. Who knows, might see if theres a chart out there for that.

 

[Bomby569]

But AMD is, and if it has to pay 20% more to import his chips before global distribution to the AIBs then it would impact to the rest of the world somehow? Just asking here, I wish I knew more about tax/economic stuff, but being honest, I'm a total failure on that field

not sure that's how it works, the chips should go directly from tsmc to the AIB's, it makes no sense to fly them 1st to the US.

 

[RandallFlagg]

those are different topics: fab issue vs pricing issue. Just talking about the 2nd one now, Nvidia FE cards don't increase in pricing for example.
Nvidia has it's own queue now for people to get their cards and doing so you avoids the scalpers, these could be the standard going forward. They even made people register emails to use their software, so they know who bought their cards in the past and if they used it for gaming.

Essentially attempting to 'price control' by having a single vertical source is what you're talking about, and that never works because of one simple metric : The lower the price, the higher the demand.

That's why prices go up until it hits equilibrium where supply = demand.

What you will wind up with is absolutely massive shortages through any normal channel, and black markets ('scalpers') with massively inflated prices. Price fixing is something that has repeatedly failed in the real world.