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Is it not the notch cutter for floppies?
It is - but I'm asking, why would anyone want or need to cut a notch in floppies?

And to narrow it down a bit, it was only used with 5 1/4" floppies.
 
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It is, but for a very specific purpose. So we are part way there.

It punches a hole (notch) in something - what and why?
I'm going to say based on the lack of guide rails to align with the disk notches perhaps it's to punch holes in the disk to make it unreadable. Used for floppy destruction?
 
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I'm going to say based on the lack of guide rails to align with the disk notches perhaps it's to punch holes in the disk to make it unreadable. Used for floppy destruction?
Nope. Guess again. :)
 
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I'm going to say based on the lack of guide rails to align with the disk notches perhaps it's to punch holes in the disk to make it unreadable. Used for floppy destruction?
Me too. It should be red, though. A pink floppy destructor?!?
Another possibility... It cuts write protect notches.
Edit: or were they write-enable notches?
Ed-it: holes to put floppies in a binder?
 
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Another possibility... It cuts write protect notches.
Bingo!

Way WAY back in the day, 5 1/4 inch disks initially were single sided - you could only save (write) data to one side of the disk. When double sided disks came out, manufacturing techniques still were not good enough to ensure both sides were able to support writes. Impurities and flaws were common. So each floppy was tested at the factory and if one side failed, it was packaged in a single sided sleeve.

HOWEVER, many disk drives were able to successfully write to the second side but could not because the sleeve did not have the necessary write protect notch. This punch - with its built-in template/guide - punched a hole in the exact correct spot so when you flipped the disk over and inserted it in the drive, the drive's sensor light would detect a "double sided" disk and let you write to the second side.

These really came about when the Commodore 64 ruled the world - which is when I used this punch.
 
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KAO still makes the same stuff they've been making since ever. See www.kao.com . How floppy disks fit in their product range, I don't know.
 
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Bingo!

Way WAY back in the day, 5 1/4 inch disks initially were single sided - you could only save (write) data to one side of the disk. When double sided disks came out, manufacturing techniques still were not good enough to ensure both sides were able to support writes. Impurities and flaws were common. So each floppy was tested at the factory and if one side failed, it was packaged in a single sided sleeve.

HOWEVER, many disk drives were able to successfully write to the second side but could not because the sleeve did not have the necessary write protect notch. This punch - with its built-in template/guide - punched a hole in the exact correct spot so when you flipped the disk over and inserted it in the drive, the drive's sensor light would detect a "double sided" disk and let you write to the second side.

These really came about when the Commodore 64 ruled the world - which is when I used this punch.

I have never run into a single sided double density floppy that could not be notched and formatted by a 1541 on the opposite side, going back to 1984. I have accumulated well over a thousand of them in storage, way more than I'll probably never need.

Media rot is exaggerated, too, while we're on the subject. Disks I formatted and wrote back in the 80s still work like a champ today. They have to be deteriorating at least somewhat, though, as I have to clean the dust from them off of the drive heads every so often.

I just store the disks in the basement and keep them dry.
 
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HOWEVER, many disk drives were able to successfully write to the second side but could not because the sleeve did not have the necessary write protect notch. This punch - with its built-in template/guide - punched a hole in the exact correct spot so when you flipped the disk over and inserted it in the drive, the drive's sensor light would detect a "double sided" disk and let you write to the second side.
Wasn't that a good bit more complicated than that? Trying to remember how exactly that worked for 5.25" but initially there was a notch on both sides for double-sided disks because at first you needed to physically turn the disk over to read the other side. After dual head drives became common, one notch was enough. I do not remember if there was a good reliable indicated of sidedness. A paper-covered center ring was a factor but not a 100%. The hole on the bottom right corner of a 3.5" floppy was for High/Double density selection IIRC.
 
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I was there, 3000 years ago.

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Can't remember if this certificate is for DOS 5.0 or Win3.0... Picture is from my FB and years old.

Anyways, I'm not at home atm, so no pictures of my few cd's...
 
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Can't remember if this certificate is for DOS 5.0 or Win3.0... Picture is from my FB and years old.
From the looks of it I would say MS-DOS. I know 6.22 had pretty much exactly that one :)
At that time this was probably shared across all products though, with the new one only coming with Windows 95.
 
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How floppy disks fit in their product range, I don't know.
There are still legacy systems around the world that still use floppies. These tend to be isolated, stand alone (not connected to a network or the Internet) and are dedicated to a single purpose. Some consider them very secure because they are totally isolated.

I have never run into a single sided double density floppy that could not be notched and formatted by a 1541 on the opposite side, going back to 1984. I have accumulated well over a thousand of them in storage, way more than I'll probably never need.
I can't say I had over a 1000 but definitely had at least 600. And I never ran into one that didn't work on the second side either. IMO, that just means the manufacturers were pretty strict in their quality assurance - something you don't see very often these days. :(

Media rot is exaggerated, too, while we're on the subject. Disks I formatted and wrote back in the 80s still work like a champ today. They have to be deteriorating at least somewhat
It is exaggerated but also inconsistent so the reports probably reflect worst-case scenarios more so than "normal" scenarios. Media rot is affected by many variables. The data density capacity is a factor. The greater the density, the smaller the magnetic particles and the easier it is for them to "drift" and/or be influenced by outside forces. Single and double density disks required pretty strong magnetic fields to move the particles. Quad density used smaller particles and a much weaker magnetic field. That was great for packing more data on the disk, but it also meant outside influences could more easily corrupt the data. Smaller particles also meant a smaller drift would make the bit unreadable.

This included affects of disks stored next to each other. That said, reel-to-reel tape would last for years in storage too and each layer of tape on the reel was much closer to the next layer and still, "magnetic bleed through" took a very long time to become a factor.

Not sure your cool, dry basement had a direct impact in preserving the data but probably helped preserve the materials used by the media and so in turn, protected the data.

Wasn't that a good bit more complicated than that? Trying to remember how exactly that worked for 5.25" but initially there was a notch on both sides for double-sided disks because at first you needed to physically turn the disk over to read the other side.
Ummm, no, sorry. You're confused.

Yes, "IF" the disk was marketed as "double-sided", that meant both sides already passed quality testing so then the maker inserted the floppy in a sleeve that was already notched.

This punch was designed to be used on disks that were marketed as "single-sided" because the 2nd side failed quality testing. They were then inserted in a sleeve that was not already notched so it could not be written to on the 2nd side. Hence the need for the punch.

And the ONLY reason one had to physically turn the disk over was because the earlier drives could only read/write to one side. In later years, as you noted, you did not have to flip the disks over because the drives were made to read/write both sides of double-sided disks without flipping. HOWEVER, even when dual head drives came out, the "double-sided" disk still needed a notch on both sides so the drive would know it was a double-side floppy inserted.

Then, if we wanted to protect one or both sides, we had to place one of those pieces of tape that came in each box over the notch to block the sensor's light.

Pretty sure all 3.5 inch floppies were double-sided so different story for them.

IIRC, MS-DOS 6.22 was the first DOS version that was available on 3.5" floppies. My previous versions, which for some reason, I cannot find :( (guessing the Ex tossed them :mad:) came on a bunch of 5 1/4 inch floppies.

BTW - I am NOT getting email notifications for any replies in this thread. Anyone else having the same issue?
 
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Wasn't that a good bit more complicated than that? Trying to remember how exactly that worked for 5.25" but initially there was a notch on both sides for double-sided disks because at first you needed to physically turn the disk over to read the other side.
What about the sync hole, or whatever it's called, placed asymmetrically near the center? I assume you would need another one on the opposite side.

Media rot is exaggerated, too, while we're on the subject. Disks I formatted and wrote back in the 80s still work like a champ today. They have to be deteriorating at least somewhat, though, as I have to clean the dust from them off of the drive heads every so often.
Spinning rust sure has an advantage: once it's rusty, it can't get more rusty!
 
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What about the sync hole, or whatever it's called, placed asymmetrically near the center? I assume you would need another one on the opposite side.
Ummm, no. Even if needed, when you flip the disk over, that hole is still the same distance from the center so already in the right place.
 

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A bunch (discs, not many boxes) but these two are probably the best:

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Ummm, no. Even if needed, when you flip the disk over, that hole is still the same distance from the center so already in the right place.
If you can insert the disk in either of these two orientations:

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then the index hole is in one of two different locations. So for the sensor to work, you either need a pair of sensors (to the left and to the right of spindle), or an additional hole in the black envelope (but not the rotating disk), where I made a red mark.

I note that you also say "even if needed". Not all systems needed the index hole. I don't know about the PC and the C64.
 
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Do DVDs count?





This was the last time I bought a physical copy of an operating system. The OEM disc came with an OptiPlex 380.

The most important CDs I still have are these ones, and stop me if this is too obvious...









Those manuals definitely aren't as thick as some of the ones from PC games and software from the earlier years (and the second one is merely a filthy promotion for PlayOnline and the movie!), but it had them still.

I'm not a physical game collector because I don't particularly mind digital, so the physical games I have are merely those that I've retained over the years, but I'll never get rid of those of this game. They're not particularly valuable monetarily, so that's not why I'll always holding onto them (in fact, I was considering buying a second copy for redundancy precisely because they're not expensive right now), but the game means the world to me and it's the original one I owned (the first copy I ever played was sort of long term borrowed from a friend's sibling so this isn't it).

I've tried to keep it in good condition and there's not really any scratches on the discs, compared to most of my other games I had at the time which eventually got fairly scratched. Since I'm the second owner, the first owner either never played it much and/or kept it in good condition. Remember those discs with brushes to clean the console lens, and the instructions for cleaning discs to wipe gently from the center out towards the edge? Yeah, I originally thought you were supposed to wipe in a circular pattern (similar to how you would expect them to be read) and learned later that was wrong.
 
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