NVIDIA Reportedly Prepares GeForce RTX 5060 and RTX 5060 Ti Unveil Tomorrow

[Vayra86]

That's your option. It's not fact.
If an old GTX980 with 4GB can still run modern titles at 1080p and get very playable framerates, an RTX 5060 with twice as much VRAM will have no trouble what-so-ever.

If an old RTX2060 with 6GB can run modern titles at 1080p and get playable framerates, an RTX 5060 with 2GB more VRAM will have no trouble what-so-ever.

If an RTX4060 with 8GB can run modern titles at 1080p & 1440p and get playable framerates, an RTX 5060 with 2GB more VRAM will have no trouble what-so-ever.

For the 5060/5050 models, 8GB is going to be enough, even with RT turned on.

You're on a completely different level now You can also run a lot of modern games on an IGP and if you knock down the bar of acceptable framerate and IQ low enough, you can even sell it as something fantastic to some fool somewhere along the way.

I think you have a great sales pitch for your store Not for TPU.

I agree, the 5060 is such a good deal. It could have 4GB and be priced at $700 real MSRP and it would be a steal, especially if they gave us 21% better performance in exchange versus the 4060. Don't know why everybody's complaining about such "low" VRAM, last I checked doing more with less was just called good engineering!

Yeah speak of going on a tangent about something being enough lmao... this is so out there... 'fact' he says . Because now, medium suddenly means 'looking great' and dips to sub 30 FPS is 'playable'. I'm curious what the next goal post is going to be now.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I agree, the 5060 is such a good deal. It could have 4GB and be priced at $700 real MSRP and it would be a steal, especially if they gave us 21% better performance in exchange versus the 4060. Don't know why everybody's complaining about such "low" VRAM, last I checked doing more with less was just called good engineering!

Context isn't your strong suit now is it?

You're on a completely different level now You can also run a lot of modern games on an IGP and if you knock down the bar of acceptable framerate and IQ low enough, you can even sell it as something fantastic to some fool somewhere along the way.

I think you have a great sales pitch for your store Not for TPU.

Oh, high horse riding are we? News flash for you there, your majesty, most people who come to TPU looking for info ARE the peasants/plebs you seem to be looking down your nose at. Your snarky BS not does change reality.

Now, be careful your majesty, that annoying elitism badge is showing..

For the record: 8GB of VRAM is absolutely enough for 1080p gaming and will continue to be as very games can or will use more at that resolution. Anyone who needs more should consider a different card.

 

[Rightness_1]

Does anyone actually care about nVidia graphics cards anymore?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Does anyone actually care about nVidia graphics cards anymore?

You asked the question, you tell us.

 

[Vayra86]

Context isn't your strong suit now is it?

Oh, high horse riding are we? News flash for you there, your majesty, most people who come to TPU looking for info ARE the peasants/plebs you seem to be looking down your nose at. Your snarky BS not does change reality.

Now, be careful your majesty, that annoying elitism badge is showing..

For the record: 8GB of VRAM is absolutely enough for 1080p gaming and will continue to be as very games can or will use more at that resolution. Anyone who needs more should consider a different card.

Yes, at this point you can objectively say an 8GB card is a bad way to spend 350+ bucks. The paradigm has changed over the last three generations. Slowly, but surely.

There is nothing elitist about advising people to find a better way to spend their money than an x60 card that is obsolete the moment it rolls of the factory line. Its just good advice. x60 at this point is a fine way to destroy your investment completely as the cards have no resale value. You can also spend twice the amount, recoup 350 after 3-4 years time as well by selling it, and then upgrade for free to an x60 after all. You'll have spent the same, but your first 3-4 years of gaming have been done at a substantially higher fidelity and performance level and you can stay current in the second period for free. Performance in all segments in stagnating, so cards keep their value longer, but sub-par cards will be pointless to sell after a while. At the same time, I could still sell a GTX 1080 6,5 years later for about 30% of its initial price. And why? Because its net performance and VRAM was still on the level of an entry-level x50/x60 at the time. You're just offering a used alternative at a much lower price then.

Its really that simple. The 'new' midrange these days is positioned extremely poorly, and 8GB hurts its value even more in the long run.

You clearly just haven't gotten that memo yet, and that's fine. Some things take time or personal experience to realize they are true. I just do the math, there's really no discussion here, just numbers and ROI over the span of five-year brackets, moving from one GPU to the next. This story isn't new. Its the whole reason the poor get poorer, and the rich get richer. Better budgettary options and choices. If you start tossing north of 1k worth on a new build, these considerations should be in the picture. Penny wise, pound stupid is real here. Save a few more months, get something better, and extract more value.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I just do the math

No, you didn't. That's part of the point I was making. IF you had, you'd be right...

there's really no discussion here.

...there wouldn't be.. But here we are.

Now, am I saying that 8GB is good? Yes. It's 8GB optimal for all games? No. Will it get the job done well at 1080p? Hell yes.

Yes, there are games that will push a bit above that 8GB limit at 1080p, but I can count those games on one hand. None of those will run well on a "60" series GPU at setting that would push them above 8GB, so the debate is purely academic.

The reality is, ANYONE buying a "50"/"60" series card will be turning some settings down enough to drop the needed VRAM below 8GB. This is mathematical fact. IF you had actually "done the math", you would know this and this debate would not be taking place. Thus.

 

[Quicks]

No, you didn't. That's part of the point I was making. IF you had, you'd be right...

...there wouldn't be.. But here we are.

Now, am I saying that 8GB is good? Yes. It's 8GB optimal for all games? No. Will it get the job done well at 1080p? Hell yes.

Yes, there are games that will push a bit above that 8GB limit at 1080p, but I can count those games on one hand. None of those will run well on a "60" series GPU at setting that would push them above 8GB, so the debate is purely academic.

The reality is, ANYONE buying a "50"/"60" series card will be turning some settings down enough to drop the needed VRAM below 8GB. This is mathematical fact. IF you had actually "done the math", you would know this and this debate would not be taking place. Thus.

So you are saying all reviewers saying 8GB is not enough and even 12GB is now bare minimum is WRONG and you are RIGHT?

Seriously?

 

[lexluthermiester]

So you are saying all reviewers saying 8GB is not enough and even 12GB is now bare minimum is WRONG and you are RIGHT?

Seriously?

At 1080p? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. ANY reviewer who says something like that is not seeing the forest for the trees.

 

[Rover4444]

At 1080p? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. ANY reviewer who says something like that is not seeing the forest for the trees.

1080p 60hz is not an acceptable target resolution/framerate for any $300+ card.

 

[Hecate91]

Reviewers have been saying 8GB isn't enough at 1080p for several GPU generations now, and it isn't acceptable for any card over $200.
It seems some people are still stuck on the opinion that 8GB is enough because the average gamer should be fine with playing games on all low settings upscaled from 720p, there is no getting them to comprehend that games will run poorly with 8GB of VRAM, anyone spending $300-400 on a GPU shouldn't be getting a worse experience than consoles with downgraded textures, texture pop in, or frame stuttering.
8GB on an xx60 class GPU is planned obsolescence yet people keep defending the awful sales tactic of barely any incremental improvements on the low end to keep gamers on a budget spending more.

 

[solidusKirbo]

The fact that they were advertising the 4060 ti as a 1080p card is crazy, when the 3060 ti was able to run newer games fine at 1440p with high settings at launch. Seems that we're stuck with 1080p for a while with the 60 series class. thx nvidia

 

[lexluthermiester]

1080p 60hz is not an acceptable target resolution/framerate for any $300+ card.

That is YOUR opinion. A lot of people disagree.

Reviewers have been saying 8GB isn't enough at 1080p for several GPU generations now

Oh? Please, share examples from CREDITABLE reviewers.. Go on. We'll wait.

The fact that they were advertising the 4060 ti as a 1080p card is crazy

When you factor in raytracing? Not really.

 

[Scattergrunt]

That is YOUR opinion. A lot of people disagree.

Oh? Please, share examples from CREDITABLE reviewers.. Go on. We'll wait.

It's one thing to go after someone and claim their a elitist and then start projecting your opinion onto other people to try and come off as if your speaking some sort of common sense when its all just opinion at the end of the day. Like dude, come on. There is very fair arguments for both sides of this debate, and I wouldn't consider either side really 'correct', because there a ton of factors to if 8GB of VRAM is enough. I'm all for the debate about 1080p, VRAM, and all that, but a lot of this comes down to opinion and all sorts of contexts and configurations, regarding what you consider xx50 / xx60 cards target point for fps / resolution, how much VRAM your comfortable with, what games you play, etc.

I would add my own personal opinion here but I just felt the need to say something before that. Don't hold anything against ya man.

 

[solidusKirbo]

When you factor in raytracing? Not really.

When you factor in raytracing it is a 720p or less card when you consider you need DLSS to achieve playable framerates. You don't buy a 60 series class card for raytracing.

 

[Scattergrunt]

When you factor in raytracing it is a 720p or less card when you consider you need DLSS to achieve playable framerates. You don't buy a 60 series class card for raytracing.

If your not willing to tune down the settings, sure.. I don't think its nearly that extreme. I mean, I will say, in my own experiences with games like RE2:R which have pretty minimal RT, I still had to throw some settings down. Refused to use DLSS if I could though, and still got playable frame rates.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's one thing to go after someone and claim their a elitist and then start projecting your opinion onto other people to try and come off as if your speaking some sort of common sense when its all just opinion at the end of the day. Like dude, come on.

I am actually one of the people that think 12GB should be the starting point currently, however I'm also playing devils advocate on behalf of all of the people out there who are not made of money and just can't afford higher end cards. For those folks, they need to know that 8GB is not going to hold back their 1080p experience. They need to know that the elitism perspective the frequents TPU is not the only school of thought to consider.

There is very fair arguments for both sides of this debate...

True and I've already stated there are exceptions.

...because there a ton of factors to if 8GB of VRAM is enough. I'm all for the debate about 1080p, VRAM, and all that, but a lot of this comes down to opinion and all sorts of contexts and configurations

Exactly.

When you factor in raytracing it is a 720p or less card when you consider you need DLSS to achieve playable framerates.

Nonsense. A 2060 6GB can do good RT at 720p. Starting with the 3060, RT became very doable at 1080p. A 4060 has no issues with higher end settings.

You don't buy a 60 series class card for raytracing.

Moose Muffins! This statement shows that you either don't have an experience in this area or are just out of touch with reality.
For reference;
3060 Raytracing performance

EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 XC Review

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www.techpowerup.com

Palit GeForce RTX 3060 Dual OC Review

Palit's GeForce RTX 3060 Dual OC is a compact dual-slot design that comes with a factory overclock to 1867 MHz boost. It is the only card we tested today that has its default power limit raised beyond the NVIDIA default setting of 170 W, which should help with performance.

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MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X Trio Review

The MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X Trio uses a huge triple-slot, triple-fan cooler that's much better than any other RTX 3060 we've tested today. Unsurprisingly, temperatures and noise levels in our RTX 3060 Gaming X Trio review are outstanding, with it runing incredibly cool while being...

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4060 Raytracing performance

MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Gaming X Review

MSI's GeForce RTX 4060 Gaming X achieves impressive noise levels that are whisper quiet and temperatures are low, too. Unlike other vendors, MSI achieves that with a compact dual-slot card, which ensures it will fit into all cases out there, and PSU requirements are minimal, too.

www.techpowerup.com

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4060 Gaming OC Review

The Gigabyte Gaming OC is a custom-designed, factory-overclocked variant of the GeForce RTX 4060. It features a slim two-slot cooler for effective heat dissipation and offers a dual BIOS with a convenient "quiet" mode switch for low-noise operation.

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ASUS GeForce RTX 4060 Dual OC Review - The Best RTX 4060

The ASUS RTX 4060 Dual OC is priced competitively: at NVIDIA's $300 MSRP, yet offers an excellent cooler and a dual BIOS. Especially the "quiet" BIOS impressed us, it turns the card into a whisper-quiet 1080p gaming machine. The cooler comparison test in our review confirms this is the most...

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All of those review show very good RT performance. Adjust a few settings and the "60" series cards are very capable 1080p raytracing enabled offerings.

The 5060 is going to take all of that to a new level. We can hope they'll do a 12GB version of the card like they did with the 3060, but if they don't 8GB will not hold things back.

 

[Rover4444]

That is YOUR opinion. A lot of people disagree.

Why yes, that is MY opinion! A lot of other people disagree? Oh no! Are the "lot of other people" in the room with us right now? What are they gonna do about it? Maybe... *GASP* convince me otherwise!?

They have their work cut out for them, because there isn't a world where a 1440p 160+ hz panel costs under $200 and we're still talking about $300+ cards optimized for 1080p 60hz native like that's a good thing.

I am actually one of the people that think 12GB should be the starting point currently, however I'm also playing devils advocate on behalf of all of the people out there who are not made of money and just can't afford higher end cards. For those folks, they need to know that 8GB is not going to hold back their 1080p experience. They need to know that the elitism perspective the frequents TPU is not the only school of thought to consider.

The B580/B570 exists, there's no longer any excuse. If you can afford a $400 card, you can afford a $200 monitor which would be a much more worthwhile upgrade. If you're playing 1080p 60hz stick to older hardware, you don't need to upgrade.

 

[Scattergrunt]

I am actually one of the people that think 12GB should be the starting point currently, however I'm also playing devils advocate on behalf of all of the people out there who are not made of money and just can't afford higher end cards. For those folks, they need to know that 8GB is not going to hold back their 1080p experience. They need to know that the elitism perspective the frequents TPU is not the only school of thought to consider.

Then it really just sounds like a issue of miscommunication and misunderstanding. I don't think anyone is being elitist by saying that 1080p 8GB VRAM w/ RT on some games is not a recommend experience.
I don't think anyone who's disagreed you (besides someone) is being elitist.. a recommendation against is not the same as entirely gatekeeping you away from something. At least I'd say so.

12 / 16 / 20 for 1080 / 1440 / 4K is about where I'd like it to be, to be honest, for VRAM, ignoring the bus bandwidth performance stuff (which is unrealistic of me)

 

[lexluthermiester]

Oh no! Are the "lot of other people" in the room with us right now? What are they gonna do about it? Maybe... *GASP* convince me otherwise!?

Context doesn't seem to be your thing, so let me clarify as you glossed over this point in my last post:

I'm not debating these points to convince you or the others. I really don't care what you think.

I'm debating this so that when people out in the general public come looking for info and find this thread they will see that there is someone with a logical, rational perspective other than the elitist point of view. They will see that someone with objectivity and impartiality is saying that the purchase they're contemplating will be a fair good one and that as long as they keep their expectations within the realm of reality, they are going to have a very good, potentially great, experience at the resolution that STILL dominates the display world, 1080p.

If you're playing 1080p 60hz stick to older hardware, you don't need to upgrade.

Terrible advice. Just stop. You're not doing yourself or anyone else any favors with such nonsense.

Then it really just sounds like a issue of miscommunication and misunderstanding.

Not at all. It's failure to understand context, and not my failure.

I don't think anyone is being elitist by saying that 1080p 8GB VRAM w/ RT on some games is not a recommend experience.

Sure it is. By saying that, the others are directly implying that a 5060 8GB will not be good enough to do raytracing, which is total and complete bullsh!t. If a 3060, 3060ti, 4060 or 4060ti can offer a good experience with RT enabled, a 5060 will have no issues at all, regardless of having only 8GB.