Nehalem's early preview

[farlex85]

I am guessing that showing a multi of 20 thats an unlocked ES sample....but look at that FSB! damn, am I reading that right? cause if I am then that chip aint going anywhere near 4gig.

There is no fsb, quickpath (similar to HTT). Remember this is an entirely new architecture, comparable to amd's current system, at least w/ reference to the way the cpu connects to the ram and the rest of the system. I don't think that is unlocked, I'm thinking that's stock. It really depends on how much oc intel allows, so saying how far it will oc is purely speculation at this point.

 

[mandelore]

hmm.. interesting, but in all fairness it doesnt blow me away. im quite happy with my QX9650, where all cores are infact never bleedin used by any game so far. so i see zero need for this new type of cpu imo. as for gaming, when i get a 4870x2, that coupled with a quad well over 4ghz should give me all the performance i will ever need. Hell, my highly clocked 2900xt is nearly giving me that now on a 1920x1200 display ^^

think maybe the next logical upgrade would be cheapish ssd's

 

[InnocentCriminal]

Don't forget, we've still got at least 6 months before this is actually anywhere near release. Even upon release boards will still be in it's infancy which will give time to dev's to create game that'll actually make use of the hardware.

It'll be good to see a decent platform with a less bottlenecking, for example, the cards we have today, 3850's, 3870's 8800's etc etc should be able to finally stretch their legs giving us even better valve for money.

^^

I really need to hold out, I'm so tempted to buy a new mobo and Q6600 but I really should hold out, by the time I've saved Nehalem should be starting to walk and I should have enough money for a relatively respectable machine.

 

[johnnyfiive]

*Looks at computer... cries.*

Dammit AMD... hurry up!

I know Intel is King currently and will remain King passed 2009. But... thats a bad thing. A Nehalem rig is going to be really fricking expensive in every aspect. I've always been a fan of the underdog (AMD), but the lack of an actual REAL contender to even Conroe is starting to change my way of thinking.

 

[farlex85]

I don't know, it really depends on ddr3 prices I think as for the cost. If ddr3 prices are the way they are now, then yeah, it will be expensive. If those start dropping, which they probably will at least just after nehalem is released if not before, I don't see this being any more expensive than core 2, and actually, considering core for core and performance for performance, it will probably be cheaper.

I'm not sure why people are having a meh attitude toward this. I think it looks great. This is at least 6 months before release, and already this chip is beating current high-end chips by a fair amount. Plus 8 logical cores for the price of 4, it's gonna be a beast.

 

[johnnyfiive]

EDIT: I guess the word cheap has a lot of variations.

 

[farlex85]

You honestly think its going to be a cheap setup? lol

Upon its initial release? No, of course not. A few months afterwards, after intel spreads out their market and everything settles, why not? Even if it is more expensive, if the price/performance is right, who cares? They arent' exactly cheap now. You want a good 45nm quad you gotta pay $300+ for it. You want cf board you gotta pay $200+ for it. You think that's cheap? Intel will make things affordable, if not at the outset then eventually, they have to. The only difference in price your likely to see is DDR2 v.s. DDR3. That difference won't be so different in half a year's time. If AMD can give them some solid competition then prices will be cheaper than they are now. What is your reason for believing it will be super expensive?

 

[johnnyfiive]

Upon its initial release? No, of course not. A few months afterwards, after intel spreads out their market and everything settles, why not? Even if it is more expensive, if the price/performance is right, who cares? They arent' exactly cheap now. You want a good 45nm quad you gotta pay $300+ for it. You want cf board you gotta pay $200+ for it. You think that's cheap? Intel will make things affordable, if not at the outset then eventually, they have to. The only difference in price your likely to see is DDR2 v.s. DDR3. That difference won't be so different in half a year's time. If AMD can give them some solid competition then prices will be cheaper than they are now. What is your reason for believing it will be super expensive?

The same reason that I always have.... when Intel has a hold of the market by the balls, they tend to hike the prices really high. Its an easy way to make money and we all know its smart business. Intel's new products are always expensive off the bat, especially new architectures and chipsets. They will remain expensive until AMD responds.

 

[farlex85]

The same reason that I always have.... when Intel has a hold of the market by the balls, they tend to hike the prices really high. Its an easy way to make money and we all know its smart business. Intel's new products are always expensive off the bat, especially new architectures and chipsets. They will remain expensive until AMD responds.

True, true. Hopefully the boys in red will offer some competition. I was just saying I don't see it being much more expensive than intel chips now a few months after launch, aside from ddr3 prices, which hopefully will be down.

 

[hat]

There is no fsb, quickpath (similar to HTT). Remember this is an entirely new architecture, comparable to amd's current system, at least w/ reference to the way the cpu connects to the ram and the rest of the system. I don't think that is unlocked, I'm thinking that's stock. It really depends on how much oc intel allows, so saying how far it will oc is purely speculation at this point.

so what do you call the 133 in 133(20)=2660MHz then?

 

[farlex85]

so what do you call the 133 in 133(20)=2660MHz then?

Quickpath? Didn't you tell me that's what it was called? CPU-Z I presume still reports it as fsb b/c it hasn't been modified for nehalem. The front side bus doesn't exist in nehalem architecture, although its just a name. Quickpath is more similar to amd's HTT than fsb in design I believe.

 

[johnnyfiive]

Quickpath? Didn't you tell me that's what it was called? CPU-Z I presume still reports it as fsb b/c it hasn't been modified for nehalem. The front side bus doesn't exist in nehalem architecture, although its just a name. Quickpath is more similar to amd's HTT than fsb in design I believe.

Word.

" Nehalem no longer has a conventional FSB, its clock speed is derived from a multiplier of an external clock frequency - in this case 133MHz. Expect all Nehalem chips to come out in frequencies that are multiples of 133MHz. "

Source is the link on the first post of this thread.

 

[hat]

Quickpath? Didn't you tell me that's what it was called? CPU-Z I presume still reports it as fsb b/c it hasn't been modified for nehalem. The front side bus doesn't exist in nehalem architecture, although its just a name. Quickpath is more similar to amd's HTT than fsb in design I believe.

indeed I did. Quickpath is the link with the rest of the system, however, I still call the 133 in 133(20) FSB

 

[farlex85]

indeed I did. Quickpath is the link with the rest of the system, however, I still call the 133 in 133(20) FSB

Well you can call it whatever you want I suppose. It uses completely different architecture, but the method w/ which to reach the cpu speed is the same. But the numbers and such will be different.

 

[Gam'ster]

Even though Nehalem is quicker than the current intel line up, how much does QuickPath contribute to that ?, like if conroe used the QPI wouldnt it be just as quick or closer to Nehelem ?. Or does QPI mostly contribute to memory/system latency and not actual proc power ? Like AMD's HT link.

Gam

 

[farlex85]

Even though Nehalem is quicker than the current intel line up, how much does QuickPath contribute to that ?, like if conroe used the QPI wouldnt it be just as quick or closer to Nehelem ?. Or does QPI mostly contribute to memory/system latency and not actual proc power ? Like AMD's HT link.

Gam

Well, these numbers here in the op seem to be almost entirely based on the new architecture of the core itself, not as much w/ the qpi. These boards are in very early stages, and like the reviewer said could only be run in single channel and such, so those numbers are mostly due to the faster core architecture. If fsb was eliminated for the core 2 series, it would likely definatley be faster, but as fast as nehalem will be?, not likely. Its pretty safe to bet these will be faster clock for clock than the core 2s, add in the qpi and it will likely be a whole lot faster. I think that yeah, the addition of qpi in place of fsb eliminates the bottleneck fsb had, but raw proc power will still be better.

 

[hat]

I want to know what AMD has planned for this :/

 

[johnnyfiive]

I want to know what AMD has planned for this :/

Bulldozer.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3050&p=5

 

[Gam'ster]

Well, these numbers here in the op seem to be almost entirely based on the new architecture of the core itself, not as much w/ the qpi. These boards are in very early stages, and like the reviewer said could only be run in single channel and such, so those numbers are mostly due to the faster core architecture. If fsb was eliminated for the core 2 series, it would likely definatley be faster, but as fast as nehalem will be?, not likely. Its pretty safe to bet these will be faster clock for clock than the core 2s, add in the qpi and it will likely be a whole lot faster. I think that yeah, the addition of qpi in place of fsb eliminates the bottleneck fsb had, but raw proc power will still be better.

Thanks man, that makes sense.


Gam

 

[Morgoth]

i have seen bloomfield pricechard its gona be 300~900us dollars

 

[hat]

i have seen bloomfield pricechard its gona be 300~900us dollars

You forgot to say that Nehalem will pwn Bulldozer and how bad AMD sucks.

 

[farlex85]

i have seen bloomfield pricechard its gona be 300~900us dollars

That's what they charge now for quads, so yeah, that would make sense.

 

[ShadowFold]

You forgot to say that Nehalem will pwn Bulldozer and how bad AMD sucks.

Is the moon AMD? Oh wait you dont know yet. Who knows? Maybe AMD will pull another Athlon? I sure hope they do. My E7200 would probably cost as much as a extreme if AMD went out before Phenom.

 

[hat]

No, it's supposed to be the end of the world... cause Morgoth is always bowing down to Nehalem and bashing AMD

 

[ShadowFold]

Now that I think of it.. the moon should symbolize AMD because they are smaller and Intel is very large and in charge, like earth.