November 15 Launch Date for Sandy Bridge-E

[CDdude55]

Will X79 be compatible with Ivy Bridge like P67/z68 is supposed to be? If so a shockingly expensive and marginally useful upgrade might be in order to tide me over

Ivy Bridge is for LGA 1155 socket and X79 will be LGA 2011 so they aren't compatible.

 

[Millennium]

Yeah I was thinking more like will there be an ivy-bridge E sometime which seems likely. If it is in fact a year away though I'd rather play with the lower end ivy bridge sooner on my P67 platform.

cheers

 

[repman244]

Ivy Bridge is for LGA 1155 socket and X79 will be LGA 2011 so they aren't compatible.

You should read my post more carefully, Ivy Bridge is a die shrink of SB, and tell me why wouldn't they shrink the SB-E on x79 as well?

 

[n-ster]

source ?

Can't find where I saw it... It is not a fact, but a probability. They might just skip it though and go directly to Haswell, but I doubt it. SB-E will probably get a "tick" as well

Doesn't make sense that the enthusiast segment would get only 32nm and the mainstream would get 22nm. It would me as if the Honda Civic would come with leather seats, but for the Acura CSX, leather seats are not an option. Just wouldn't make sense.

Also, Haswell is slated for 2013~2014 IIRC, so IB-E would have to come before.

Anybody else liked the enthusiast segment before, when enthusiasts would get the "tock" first and therefore got the "tick" first as well? TBH, I would have wanted SB-E to be IB-E

 

[faramir]

Show me where AMD said this. I could save you the time and tell you that you are making this up on your own but I find it funnier to send you on an endless internet search that will stop you from posting nonsense for a while.

Well, you got me there - I have nothing better to do than to post outrageous lies under the pseudonym of one Thomas Seifert. I'm so incredibly successful in this endeavour of mine that I get quoted all over them tech-related interwebz for it. And then I argue with clueless fanboys on TR every once in a while ... but I digress.


Just back from my 30 second "endless" internet search - transcript of AMD's 2011 Q2 earnings call (dated July 21st, so I'd say they had a pretty good idea what they were talking about):

http://seekingalpha.com/article/281...sses-q2-2011-results-earnings-call-transcript

I quote:

"The Interlagos platform is our first server offering, optimized for today's cloud datacenters and the architecture excels at compute-intensive and HPC workloads, where it will deliver up to 35% performance improvements compared to our current offerings."

So Interlagos, the 16 core Bulldozer (that is 33% up from 12 cores for the mathematically challenged like you), is going to bring up to 35% better performance than existing offerings, that would be the 12-core Phenom core based Magny Cours.


Now kindly crawl back under your rock and don't mouth off unless you have a *really* good idea what you're blurbing about. Thank you.

 

[repman244]

Well, you got me there - I have nothing better to do than to post outrageous lies under the pseudonym of one Thomas Seifert. I'm so incredibly successful in this endeavour of mine that I get quoted all over them tech-related interwebz for it. And then I argue with clueless fanboys on TR every once in a while ... but I digress.


Just back from my 30 second "endless" internet search - transcript of AMD's 2011 Q2 earnings call (dated July 21st, so I'd say they had a pretty good idea what they were talking about):

http://seekingalpha.com/article/281...sses-q2-2011-results-earnings-call-transcript

I quote:

"The Interlagos platform is our first server offering, optimized for today's cloud datacenters and the architecture excels at compute-intensive and HPC workloads, where it will deliver up to 35% performance improvements compared to our current offerings."

So Interlagos, the 16 core Bulldozer (that is 33% up from 12 cores for the mathematically challenged like you), is going to bring up to 35% better performance than existing offerings, that would be the 12-core Phenom core based Magny Cours.


Now kindly crawl back under your rock and don't mouth off unless you have a *really* good idea what you're blurbing about. Thank you.

Wrong thread mate.


Anyway, I just noticed it has SAS support, does anyone have any more info on this, I could get rid of my controller this way and add some of my old SAS disks I've got.

 

[Disparia]

Anyway, I just noticed it has SAS support, does anyone have any more info on this, I could get rid of my controller this way and add some of my old SAS disks I've got.

Yup.

Here is some back-story: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/15/sas_in_patsburg/

And some info on the Patsburg variations: http://www.guru3d.com/news/intel-to...d-this-yearbut--with-reduced-functionalities/

 

[CDdude55]

You should read my post more carefully, Ivy Bridge is a die shrink of SB, and tell me why wouldn't they shrink the SB-E on x79 as well?

I didn't read your post, calm down. It's no ones job to read your posts and respond to them.

Yes Ivy Bridge is the 22nm version of the current 32nm Sandy Bridge chips, i never stated otherwise. I also never stated Sandy Bridge-E chips couldn't shrink down, only that our current knowledge only know of the LGA 2011 SB -E
chips existing.

Where are you getting the claims that i said otherwise?

 

[Damn_Smooth]

Well, you got me there - I have nothing better to do than to post outrageous lies under the pseudonym of one Thomas Seifert. I'm so incredibly successful in this endeavour of mine that I get quoted all over them tech-related interwebz for it. And then I argue with clueless fanboys on TR every once in a while ... but I digress.


Just back from my 30 second "endless" internet search - transcript of AMD's 2011 Q2 earnings call (dated July 21st, so I'd say they had a pretty good idea what they were talking about):

http://seekingalpha.com/article/281...sses-q2-2011-results-earnings-call-transcript

I quote:

"The Interlagos platform is our first server offering, optimized for today's cloud datacenters and the architecture excels at compute-intensive and HPC workloads, where it will deliver up to 35% performance improvements compared to our current offerings."

So Interlagos, the 16 core Bulldozer (that is 33% up from 12 cores for the mathematically challenged like you), is going to bring up to 35% better performance than existing offerings, that would be the 12-core Phenom core based Magny Cours.


Now kindly crawl back under your rock and don't mouth off unless you have a *really* good idea what you're blurbing about. Thank you.

Sorry bub, but obviously you can't comprehend the difference between throughput and IPC.

I'll kindly explain it to you though.

Throughput = amount of work done.
IPC = Speed of work done.

JF has explained this before so maybe you should do some research before passing off your nonsense as fact.

Good day.

 

[Casecutter]

Is this from Intel or a source DonanimHaber says, and it’s again all still just speculative rumors?

And mind you, at no point were those timelines media speculation. They were given out by AMD (official), to the press from time to time. It's AMD that has been giving us timelines, and jumping them each time.

But the last story from Xbit wasn't any official word but it was presented as gospel.

AMD had been claiming market releases all that time

I've yet to hear of a Official Release date (just like this purportedly from Intel) for Bulldozer, most folk realize "year" road-map are always Pie-in-Sky.

That said it doesn't help when John Fruehe «Server Highlights From Financial Analyst Day November 9, 2010» said, "client version of “Bulldozer” (code named “Zambezi”) in Q2 2011.
Or even more damming, the Q1 2011 Earnings Call April 21, 2011 from Rick Burgman where he said "So in the last call, we indicated early summer for desktops and late summer for servers. And that's still where we're at."

Find those links here provided by HummanSmoke
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151709&page=5

So yes, those looze-cannon where oddly un-tethered? And showed that the ship was hurdling in a storm of uncertainty.

So you'll be spending anywhere between $50~$150 more on the i7-3820 platform compared to FX-8150

Well, I don't see any prices for either Sandy Bridge-E (enthusiast) or a new socket LGA2011 DX79TO mobo so you're speculating. But, if B-D platform is 25% less costly, while 5-10%, behind a high-end i7-3820 platform that a good thing. That whole "Core i7-3960X About 47% Faster On Average Than Core i7-990X" from Intel appear to be a case of if it sounds to good to be true... I think we all need to take a wait and see.

AMD is going to loose a lot of sales everywhere.

The sales in the Enthusiast market is not going to make or break AMD at this time. Sure it take a hit on their reputation, but that might not be a long term set-back. (look at Nvidia and Fermi there not any worse for wear). Though when we really get to see each platform cost and merits it might be AMD and a BfB equation that more might gravitate to... money talks, bu!!shit walks as the saying goes.

 

[erocker]

~snip~

Wrong thread.

 

[repman244]

I didn't read your post, calm down. It's no ones job to read your posts and respond to them.

Yes Ivy Bridge is the 22nm version of the current 32nm Sandy Bridge chips, i never stated otherwise. I also never stated Sandy Bridge-E chips couldn't shrink down, only that our current knowledge only know of the LGA 2011 SB -E
chips existing.

Where are you getting the claims that i said otherwise?

Errr, sorry about that mate, I thought you quoted me

 

[Casecutter]

Wrong thread.

Nope this is all pertaining to the November 15 Launch of SB-E.

 

[erocker]

Nope this is all pertaining to the November 15 Launch of SB-E.

Nope, just one part of it. I'm not discussing it here so if you want to argue with me about it PM me, otherwise I don't care.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

What is all this bickering going on here. I thought I was on TPU, not HARD. Come on people, let's all go to the camp fire and sing Kumbaya.


ROFLMAO, just kidding people.


On a serious note though, I have about $1500 coming to me sometime between Oct 15 and Nov 15. Looks like I'm moving from 775 to 2011.

 

[CDdude55]

Errr, sorry about that mate, I thought you quoted me

Oh, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Well, I don't see any prices for either Sandy Bridge-E (enthusiast) or a new socket LGA2011 DX79TO mobo so you're speculating...

IMO, I think you'll find that Intel keeps it's pricing structure as per the P55/X58 market differentiation (i.e. since mainstream/enthusiast socket split). If you cast your mind back to 2009, you would note that the entry level i7 920 + budget (!) board (Gigabyte EX58-UD3R/Asus P6T SE for sake of argument) pricing had a degree of overlap with the upper tier P55 segment ( i7 870 + Maximus III Extreme/ Giga -UD7 )

...But, if B-D platform is 25% less costly, while 5-10%, behind a high-end i7-3820 platform that a good thing.

Probably a whole lot better than the present situation

That whole "Core i7-3960X About 47% Faster On Average Than Core i7-990X" from Intel appear to be a case of if it sounds to good to be true...

Obviously a best/corner-case-scenario type of deal, in much the same way that Intel'ers are apt to tout the mighty x87 SuperPi and AMD fanboys point to Cinebench 11.5 as being the be-all-and-end-all of benchmarking programs.

The sales in the Enthusiast market is not going to make or break AMD at this time.

Nope, but the vast majority of people who read tech reviews don't own enthusiast grade ubersystems either- so while these people have no direct vested interest in who wins the bar-graph war, the underlying message of who's better, who's best still permeates the collective tech community. How many nVidia GT 430's get sold on the strength of the GTX 580's performance ranking? (substitute HD 6770 and HD 6990 where applicable).

Sure it take a hit on their reputation

Seems to be shaping up as Thuban vs. Sandy/Gulftown Redux, as such, it's probably a matter of maintaining a status quo....good in some respects (i don't think AMD are going out of business any time soon) , bad in some others (exhorbitant Intel XE/Xeon pricing, AMD's marketing unnatural obsession with taking pot-shots at competitors -BD Comic books?!?-rather than highlighting their own products).

Though when we really get to see each platform cost and merits it might be AMD and a BfB equation that more might gravitate to... money talks, bu!!shit walks as the saying goes.

Maybe so. Just remember that pronouncement can fall either way.

[Sandy Bridge-E preliminary pricing]
[Sandy Bridge-E outed 23rd October]
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[Casecutter]

HumanSmoke, thanks for staying on the topic.

 

[MikeMurphy]

^ re link above of SB preliminary pricing:

If people need to pay $583 for an unlocked multiplier SB-E cpu then the entire platform will be a complete flop. I suspect the pricing and / or specs must be incorrect.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Maybe.....but it didn't stop the Core i7 950 from being reasonably popular.

Here's the initial Nehalem lineup:
Core i7 965 XE.....$999 (replaced fairly quickly by the 975XE)
Core i7 940.........$562 (replaced fairly quickly by the 950)
Core i7 920.........$284

Notice a similarity in pricing given in the earlier link?

 

[[H]@RD5TUFF]

^ re link above of SB preliminary pricing:

If people need to pay $583 for an unlocked multiplier SB-E cpu then the entire platform will be a complete flop. I suspect the pricing and / or specs must be incorrect.

That's a laughable assumption, if you think the platform will flop because of a processor costing $600 dollars ( a not for sure price) your foolish at best. AMD trolls need to GTFO of this thread, ES of BD show it will barely be able to handle SB let alone SB-E, the chips are in different leagues! You have high performance then you have BD....

 

[faramir]

Wrong thread mate.

Some dweeb called me a liar up there. It wasn't my intention to post semi-related information here but alas it was the only way to shut him up ... or perhaps not, seeing how he's trying to backpaddle now

 

[Damn_Smooth]

Some dweeb called me a liar up there. It wasn't my intention to post semi-related information here but alas it was the only way to shut him up ... or perhaps not, seeing how he's trying to backpaddle now

You were saying?

Now I would suggest you hush up to avoid further embarassment.

 

[Casecutter]

ES of BD show it will barely be able to handle SB

What does "ES" suppose to mean? Estimated Specifications...

 

[CDdude55]

What does "ES" suppose to mean? Estimated Specifications...

Engineering Samples.