AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX May Feature Faulty Coolers, Causing Overheating

[mahoney]

The copium from AMD fanboys is insane. Guys these companies do not care about you all they want is your hard earned money. Stop simping these mega rich companies

 

[kapone32]

My view is that the video is very much well balanced, form the headline to the effort being made to acquire 4 test sample to the wide range of hard mod testing to the problem isolastion to the conclusion and the assumption- all according to the definitiv findings.
There is no problem with personal opinion when it is clear that they are opinions.
At scientific article you have room for assumptions (you can call it personal opinion if you wish) in the end- the end of the discussion. There you can hypothesis according to the hard findings you shown.
It is very much acceptable as long you are within reason with that.
This video assumptions\personal opinion are well within the acceptable range, imo.

After reading around I really wonder if his Cable was the culprit? He said he tried everything but I only saw the standard black on the DP cable he was using all the time.

 

[ARF]

Although I'm probably not the type of person to jump on a BIG problem for AMD train, I must say I really don't like their latest stuff. AM5 IHS design compromise, and this RDNA3 reference design (let's keep the 450W card at 2.5-3 slots) bullshit. Reference cards from both of the war rooms were always an unobtanium for me anyway.

AMD wants to compete in the highest end but as always makes wrong decisions.
In order to compete with nvidia, they have to find a way to cheat the FPS charts - lower the texture resolution on a hidden driver level, and make something like FSR running like default.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

My view is that the video is very much well balanced, form the headline to the effort being made to acquire 4 test sample to the wide range of hard mod testing to the problem isolastion to the conclusion and the assumption- all according to the definitiv findings.
There is no problem with personal opinion when it is clear that they are opinions.
At scientific article you have room for assumptions (you can call it personal opinion if you wish) in the end- the end of the discussion. There you can hypothesis according to the hard findings you shown.
It is very much acceptable as long you are within reason with that.
This video assumptions\personal opinion are well within the acceptable range, imo.

I disagree with your Stance on the conclusion I don't see how he could extrapolate the scale of the issue with the testing, and information he showed.

And his conclusion drove a lot of other tuber's to regurgitate it with added nonsense IE claiming all 7### XTX and XT required recall like in the video I posted earlier.

AMD'S hand was pretty much forced into what follows regardless of the scale of the issue.



Exactly how many people have turned up here on TPU With this issue.

It's less than ten so far and certainly not thousands like der8aure claimed to be effected.

 

[Dirt Chip]

After reading around I really wonder if his Cable was the culprit? He said he tried everything but I only saw the standard black on the DP cable he was using all the time.

How do you explain the "flip test" phenomena with a cable and no vapor chamber involvement?
The cable thing might be another, unrelated, issue (and seems much more isolated than the vapor chamber issue).

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Well this getting worst by the day....maybe it is blown out of the proportion and some people returning their cards even if they working OK to swap them for new Nvidia GPU's but we can't denied that after this AMD seriously damage their company image......

 

[kapone32]

How do you explain the "flip test" phenomena with a cable and no vapor chamber involvement?
The cable thing might be another, unrelated, issue (and seems much more isolated than the vapor chamber issue).

Are you sure? It created the exact same issue. Can you say with confidence that all of the cards were not shipped with a bad DP cable or how many Users just used the DP cable sitting around? For me he debunked the Vapour chamber when he used all those different mounting methods, pressures and nothing changed. I am not saying that the Vapour chamber cannot be compromised but can we all agree that no one knows where the hot spot is specifically, the GPU was not the one going to that temp and the vapour chamber's main duty is that. Maybe it's the memory or the thermal interface,who knows. AMD. Sure there are a few (there are always a few) but the amount of "Avoid at All Costs" in the Headlines is crazy. If you count the other thread (on the same topic) we are probably at 17 pages and counting.

 

[Dirt Chip]

I disagree with your Stance on the conclusion I don't see how he could extrapolate the scale of the issue with the testing, and information he showed.

And his conclusion drove a lot of other tuber's to regurgitate it with added nonsense IE claiming all 7### XTX and XT required recall like in the video I posted earlier.

AMD'S hand was pretty much forced into what follows regardless of the scale of the issue.



Exactly how many people have turned up here on TPU With this issue.

It's less than ten so far and certainly not thousands like der8aure claimed to be effected.

Copy pate:
"The reason to mention recall is based on 48 confirmed cases by him and remember that he has a very limited reach compared to all 7900XTX owner worldwide so more are sure to exist, and the understanding it is a vapor chamber (VC) problem that no user can fix by himself (it is not a driver, cable, adapter issue). If the VC is the problem and it`s made by automated process than whole banches are possible effects and that`s thouthends if not more. Hance it is seems like a widespred problem so recall, and not RMA, is the right way to hendel it properly from all sides (AMD, retailers, consumer)."

Do you intend to blame him with shomething because others exploit on that matter? really? that is more un-reasonable than to bringing up the possibility for recall according to the findings.

I`m sure you agree that just as you can`t decide about the scope by internet polls, you can`t correctly estimate the number of affected people worldwide by active comment on forums as you for sure will see less then real numbers by large margin.

 

[kapone32]

Copy pate:
"The reason to mention recall is based on 48 confirmed cases by him and remember that he has a very limited reach compared to all 7900XTX owner worldwide so more are sure to exist, and the understanding it is a vapor chamber (VC) problem that no user can fix by himself (it is not a driver, cable, adapter issue). If the VC is the problem and it`s made by automated process than whole banches are possible effects and that`s thouthends if not more. Hance it is seems like a widespred problem so recall, and not RMA, is the right way to hendel it properly from all sides (AMD, retailers, consumer)."

Do you intend to blame him with shomething because others exploit on that matter? really? that is more reasonable than to bringing up the possibility for recall according to the findings.

I`m sure you agree that just as you can`t decide about the scope by internet polls, you can`t correctly estimate the number of affected people worldwide by active comment on forums as you for sure will see less then real numbers by large margin.

I guess AMD Reddit does not exist.

 

[Jism]

AMD does'nt design coolers. AMD buys a cooler based on the specs of their hardware.

 

[kapone32]

What is the Key word that makes it sensationalized? Could? Has not AMD issued a statement already?

 

[Dirt Chip]

Are you sure? It created the exact same issue. Can you say with confidence that all of the cards were not shipped with a bad DP cable or how many Users just used the DP cable sitting around? For me he debunked the Vapour chamber when he used all those different mounting methods, pressures and nothing changed. I am not saying that the Vapour chamber cannot be compromised but can we all agree that no one knows where the hot spot is specifically, the GPU was not the one going to that temp and the vapour chamber's main duty is that. Maybe it's the memory or the thermal interface,who knows. AMD. Sure there are a few (there are always a few) but the amount of "Avoid at All Costs" in the Headlines is crazy. If you count the other thread (on the same topic) we are probably at 17 pages and counting.

I didn't test anything so i`m not sure and didn't try to pretend otherwise.
As I said, "The cable thing might be another, unrelated, issue".
I wish AMD and all others that it is just a bad DP cable.

"Avoid at All Costs" is from Jay video, not der8auer original video that start all of this.

"Avoid at All Costs" is well within the 'clickbite' realms imo, and just emphasize that der8auer headline is reasonable.
I'm sure soon we'll see much more absurd headline

 

[Fouquin]

AMD does'nt design coolers. AMD buys a cooler based on the specs of their hardware.

Yes they do. They contract Cooler Master to manufacture them, but AMD absolutely has a team designing coolers.

 

[Veseleil]

AMD does'nt design coolers. AMD buys a cooler based on the specs of their hardware.

But they had the choice, did they? It's not like they haven't been presented with at least 3 designs like: 1. big ass brick, 2. a brick, 3. a smaller brick. And they've chosen the smaller brick probably because: 1. the looks, 2. compatibility (fits everywhere! sigh...), 2. bragging rights. And we all know that miniaturization requires compromises.
But seriously, people should stop being early adopters of any new tech. There's a reason why Zen2, especially Zen3 and Rdna2 are the fine wine both hardware and software wise.

 

[Jism]

It's really a small portion of cards out of the larger set. RMA it if your in that and youll get a replacement back.

No company wants to release faulty products. A card like that i would watercool anyway.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Copy pate:
"The reason to mention recall is based on 48 confirmed cases by him and remember that he has a very limited reach compared to all 7900XTX owner worldwide so more are sure to exist, and the understanding it is a vapor chamber (VC) problem that no user can fix by himself (it is not a driver, cable, adapter issue). If the VC is the problem and it`s made by automated process than whole banches are possible effects and that`s thouthends if not more. Hance it is seems like a widespred problem so recall, and not RMA, is the right way to hendel it properly from all sides (AMD, retailers, consumer)."

Do you intend to blame him with shomething because others exploit on that matter? really? that is more un-reasonable than to bringing up the possibility for recall according to the findings.

I`m sure you agree that just as you can`t decide about the scope by internet polls, you can`t correctly estimate the number of affected people worldwide by active comment on forums as you for sure will see less then real numbers by large margin.

48 cases confirmed with photos and evidence by him,. Legitimacy checked Not known.

4 known affected cards bought out of those, from those willing to sell.

His sphere of influence, IE his sample pool size,. Not known.

My point is he had limited reach, yet without statistical training extrapolated to the moon, I respect his engineering not his statistical analysis or dramma skills.


Recall or RMA, not his call to make, but he did and that has and will influence what followed.

Blame him for others doing shit videos leaning on his, but amplified.

Not his fault I agree but he didn't have to be so dramatic either.

There's no comparison between me calling out his conclusion and him making it.

His reach is millions, my reach just isn't.

Oh and like I said before this causes stuttering in game's,.

Not great but when there was a minor potential for a GPU caused pc fire did Der8aur request a recall, no he waited for the manufacturer's to discern the issue and decide the response.

 

[oliverprescott]

You also, like others, didnt fully understand his video: the sample of known 4 bad cards only used to isolate the cause of the problem- not to show how widespread it is.
The reason to mention recall is based on 48 confirmed cases by him and remember that he has a very limited reach compared to all 7900XTX owner worldwide so more are sure to exist, and the understanding it is a vapor chamber (VC) problem that no user can fix by himself (it is not a driver, cable, adapter issue). If the VC is the problem and it`s made by automated process than whole banches are possible effects and that`s thouthends if not more. Hance it is seems like a widespred problem so recall, and not RMA, is the right way to hendel it properly from all sides (AMD, retailers, consumer).
As time gows by, we see more and more cases of people showing the same hot spot problem so his assumption of a must happend recall is very much valid and plusiable.

The high widespreadness of the problem is a quite established by now, all is left is to see how AMD handle it.
After all, it`s not a core\electrical design issue so just replace the collar and it`s fix.
Non-reference models can keep on sale with no problem.

AMD can still close the whole incident quietly and efficiently.

Yeah I understood the video, which is why it’s confusing at the end when he makes statements about how widespread it must be and how they’ll probably need to do a recall. I don’t think you understood my post because it’s specifically about how he’s making claims specifically about how widespread it must be without anything to actually back that up other than hearsay online. This is the 12v issue all over again.

Also that videocardz article says it’s only the xtx and not the xt models with this issue…. So what’s with all those people jumping in online saying they had this issue with an xt model? Could it be that it’s another case of YouTubers sensationalizing an issue and blowing it out of proportion and their fans wanting to join in even when they don’t have an issue and probably don’t even have the card in question?

 

[Dirt Chip]

I personally understand how he came to say that recall is the best option but I can understand the more caution approach to making those claims.

I`m sure in couple of days more channels will get fault cards from users and do their own testing and/or get feedback on more cases so we can better know how widespread it is and if the VC is indeed the root cuse of everything.
Also AMD might choose to comment on the subject, the sooner the better.

 

[Warrior24_7]

“AMD’s Senior Director of Gaming Marketing Sasa Marinkobic spared no time making fun of NVIDIA’s biggest problem with the RTX 40 series, which are melting power cables.”

Really? And he puts out faulty garbage like this?

You get what you pay for!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

“AMD’s Senior Director of Gaming Marketing Sasa Marinkobic spared no time making fun of NVIDIA’s biggest problem with the RTX 40 series, which are melting power cables.”

Really? And he puts out faulty garbage like this?
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You get what you pay for!

Such a great post well worth the sign up.

Marketing senior director.

Does that sound like the guy who designs cooler's.

Butt hurt 4### owner perchance.

Plus it's not a fire hazard unlike said cable after 30 re fit's STILL.

The more you buy the more you save.

 

[Dirt Chip]

Also that videocardz article says it’s only the xtx and not the xt models with this issue…. So what’s with all those people jumping in online saying they had this issue with an xt model? Could it be that it’s another case of YouTubers sensationalizing an issue and blowing it out of proportion and their fans wanting to join in even when they don’t have an issue and probably don’t even have the card in question?

Sadly it will probebly turn into that, already started.
But that not what start all the saga- an abnormally behaving 7900XTX are.
Also, the bad clature of sensationalizing in youtube is not a reason to to investigate cases like this in the first place.

AMD themself add to that bad sensationalizing clature by playing the 12vhpwr card in NV face ("Stay safe this holiday season" tweet from their marketing director). Lets see how NV not doing the same.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Yeah it's a shame AMD have a history of being pricks, The Fixer, "Poor Volta" etc always end up coming back to bite them one way or another in the end.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Yeah it's a shame AMD have a history of being pricks, The Fixer, "Poor Volta" etc always end up coming back to bite them one way or another in the end.

Marketing has always been AMD's biggest problem. The second biggest being whoever didnt put the brakes on bulldozer.

 

[Warrior24_7]

Such a great post well worth the sign up.

Marketing senior director.

Does that sound like the guy who designs cooler's.

Butt hurt 4### owner perchance.

Plus it's not a fire hazard unlike said cable after 30 re fit's STILL.

The more you buy the more you save.

Oh that’s riiiight, he designs power cables! He puts out junk and stuck his foot in his mouth! He might as well keep it there until the 7900 XTX central heating unit is fixed! Butt hurt 5### owner perchance. You fell for his “marketing” tricking you into buying the POS in the first place! Ha!

 

[kapone32]

Oh that’s riiiight, he designs power cables! He puts out junk and stuck his foot in his mouth! He might as well keep it there until the 7900 XTX central heating unit is fixed! Butt hurt 5### owner perchance. You fell for his “marketing” tricking you into buying the POS in the first place! Ha!

Context please?