Gigabyte's AORUS FO32U2P Sports DisplayPort 2.1 and a 4K 240 Hz QD-OLED Panel

[Event Horizon]

About time, now we need widespread GPU support. Nvidia gave us the Stockholm Syndrome 12VHPWR Connector (tm) instead of a DisplayPort upgrade.

 

[TheEndIsNear]

The 57 inch I got has 2.1 but my 4090 doesn't

 

[TheLostSwede]

I can confirm it'll be glossy after checking with a source at the company.
Will get info next week with regards to the daisy-chain port and the USB-C input.

 

[Tek-Check]

AMD with their RX7000 series and "DP 2.1" support which then turned out to be UHBR13.5

What are you talking about? Official RDNA3 presentation clearly states that Radiance Display Engine is capable of 54 Gbps on DP 2.1 ports

 

[sephiroth117]

I can confirm it'll be glossy after checking with a source at the company.
Will get info next week with regards to the daisy-chain port and the USB-C input.

thanks a lot for the update.

Unless it cost 2000 EUR or releases in more than a year, I will therefore be going with this one, speakers, DP2.1 80gbps, glossy, flat...

 

[Tek-Check]

I can confirm it'll be glossy after checking with a source at the company.
Will get info next week with regards to the daisy-chain port and the USB-C input.

Thanks for this. Much appreciated.
Will we be able to get a photo and block diagram of new display IC?

The 57 inch I got has 2.1 but my 4090 doesn't

Have Samsung and Nvidia been able to fix 120Hz limitation on RTX cards?

 

[TheLostSwede]

thanks a lot for the update.

Unless it cost 2000 EUR or releases in more than a year, I will therefore be going with this one, speakers, DP2.1 80gbps, glossy, flat...

If the price I just got is correct, it'll be competitively priced, but obviously not be a bargain. I'll update the post once I have a proper confirmation next week.

Thanks for this. Much appreciated.
Will we be able to get a photo and block diagram of new display IC?

I doubt I can get that.

 

[Nater]

Man I wish more monitors had outputs like that standard.

 

[Tek-Check]

I doubt I can get that.

It's fine. Someone will soon open the monitor to take a photo. I am simply curious to see whether this is first fully capable IC on all ports, and without hidden surprises.

 

[ir_cow]

Yep this is what i've been waiting for. A true 4k 240Hz monitor. None of that DSC.

 

[Metroid]

The thing about DP 2.1 is that UHBR support is... optional. So unless GPU or monitor manufacturer clearly specifies which DP 2.1 features are supported you're kinda going in blind (case in point AMD with their RX7000 series and "DP 2.1" support which then turned out to be UHBR13.5).

When is DisplayPort 2.1 Going to be Used on Monitors? - TFTCentral

Where are all the DisplayPort 2.1 monitors? What is holding up their development and launch, and what confusion exists in the market?

tftcentral.co.uk

Either way, even with full 80 Gbps support you won't avoid DSC once you go over 4K 240 Hz.

On topic:
There is also a cut down version of the same panel with DP 1.4 support:

AORUS FO32U2 Key Features | Monitor - GIGABYTE Global

31.5" QD-OLED Display @ UHD Resolution (3840 x 2160) 15M:1 Contrast Ratio & Perfect Viewing Angle 240Hz Refresh Rate & 0.03 ms Response Time (GTG) GIGABYTE...

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You are somewhat right, 4k 240hz needs 60g, 4k 360hz needs 90g, 4k 480hz needs 120g, 8k 120hz needs 120g. Maximum a dp 1.2 can do regarding 4k is 300hz 75g. That will be the limitation till something better comes out.

Yep this is what i've been waiting for. A true 4k 240Hz monitor. None of that DSC.

DSC is garbage. There is no need for DSC at all, people need to fight against the BS, manufactures created DSC to cut costs and that is the truth, DSC is not lossless, they are lying.

 

[Event Horizon]

My LG 4k 144hz monitor allows DSC to be toggled on and off. Is there a test that can reliably reproduce DSC artifacts or does it depend on the brand and model?

 

[Tek-Check]

My LG 4k 144hz monitor allows DSC to be toggled on and off. Is there a test that can reliably reproduce DSC artifacts or does it depend on the brand and model?

Interesting. Which monitor is that?
Why would they offer a toggle?

DSC is garbage. There is no need for DSC at all, people need to fight against the BS, manufactures created DSC to cut costs and that is the truth, DSC is not lossless, they are lying.

No need to be vulgar about the topic.

DSC should only be used when necessary, for example in multi-monitor set-up for public displays when raw bandwidth is not enough to power configurations.

The fact that some vendors abuse the system and offer lower bandwidth port when higher bandwidth is available, which is what we are seeing with the transition from DP 1.4 to DP 2.1, is another separate matter.

I agree that most vendors are cheap on new ports and offer older DP 1.4 when it is not necessary, while trying to sell to us expensive monitors at the same time. Monitor vendors know that this the last year they could possibly get away with this nonsense.

Once Nvidia finally releases 5000 GPUs with full speed DP 2.1 ports, all monitor vendors will be kicking and screaming at CES 2025 tha their displays also offer the same and are ideal for new Nvidia cards. Just watch it happen. They are so predictable and dependent on every fart from Nvidia.

 

[demu]

My LG 4k 144hz monitor allows DSC to be toggled on and off. Is there a test that can reliably reproduce DSC artifacts or does it depend on the brand and model?

A rather difficult task, because the PC side (GPU) sees the image uncompressed, and the compression takes place (real time) between the graphics card and the screen.
So the PC cannot see or record the compressed image.

In practice, there should be a very accurate video camera that would record the screen (with the used screen refresh rate), compressed and uncompressed, and then compare these two videos with each other.

Or make a program that would simulate DSC compression.

You also might find a tool for DCS simulation from Cadense or some other company.

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[Ferrum Master]

In practice, there should be a very accurate video camera that would record the screen (with the used screen refresh rate), compressed and uncompressed, and then compare these two videos with each other.

Why? Take a DP to HDMI adapter with DSC and feed the HDMI to a decent capture card.

 

[demu]

Why? Take a DP to HDMI adapter with DSC and feed the HDMI to a decent capture card.

This works fine if you are using max 4K@60/120Hz - which do not require or use DSC compression.
DP1.4 and lower also support max. HBR3, which means 4K@120Hz@8bit only (4K@97Hz@10bit is the maximum without DSC). Even 4K@120Hz@10bit do require a little bit of DSC .

But finding a capture card with real DSC-only refresh rates (like 4K@240Hz) may require a very expensive capture card (if they even exist).

 

[Asni]

DSC is garbage. There is no need for DSC at all, people need to fight against the BS, manufactures created DSC to cut costs and that is the truth, DSC is not lossless, they are lying.

DSC is great considering that, at this point, increasing resolution is pointless: the perceived resolution depends on the viewing angle which should be always the same no matter what display you buy (if you increase the diagonal the viewing distance has to increase too). Refresh rate wise, we reached a point where the image persistence (4ms on a 240hz, 3ms on a 360hz display) of a S&H monitor is equivalent to the old "impulse technology" of CRT/plasmas: anything above is placebo.

By the way, DSC has been tested and it was basically visually lossless in most static images and completely indistinguishable on panning images. So, stop that. Ty.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317425815_Large_Scale_Subjective_Evaluation_of_Display_Stream_Compression

I also want to point out that increasing bandwidth reduce the lenght of copper cables (attenuation and noise heavily affect signal integrity): DP80 cables are 1.2m maximum, if you want longer cables for 80Gbps you need fiber. And a fiber cable is obviously way more expensive than a copper one.

 

[Event Horizon]

Interesting. Which monitor is that?
Why would they offer a toggle?

LG 27GN95R-B. It let's me pick between DP1.4 with DSC, DP1.4 without DSC, and DP1.2. I'm guessing it's there to help with troubleshooting and/or older GPUs.

 

[xSneak]

I would like some 27" versions; 32" is too big for using kbm at a desk.
Getting rid of dsc is good since it will allow for nvidia dsr to work again.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I also want to point out that increasing bandwidth reduce the lenght of copper cables (attenuation and noise heavily affect signal integrity): DP80 cables are 1.2m maximum, if you want longer cables for 80Gbps you need fiber. And a fiber cable is obviously way more expensive than a copper one.

This is incorrect. You can get active cables that aren't fibre.
For example:

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-DisplayPort-Certified-Compatible-FreeSync/dp/B0CDW8J7GY/

https://www.amazon.com/JSAUX-Displayport-Backward-Compatible-Graphics/dp/B0CLNRBR5Y/

I would like some 27" versions; 32" is too big for using kbm at a desk.
Getting rid of dsc is good since it will allow for nvidia dsr to work again.

It works with DSC as well, but it depends on the hardware. It's more of an Nvidia issue than a DSC issue.

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[Asni]

This is incorrect. You can get active cables that aren't fibre.
For example:

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-DisplayPort-Certified-Compatible-FreeSync/dp/B0CDW8J7GY/

https://www.amazon.com/JSAUX-Displayport-Backward-Compatible-Graphics/dp/B0CLNRBR5Y/

And this is exactly how marketing works: this is a DP 2.1 Vesa certified cable but the 80Gbps part isn't. This is a DP 2.1 DP40 certified cable.
(cannot find the Jsaux one, probably a rebranded iVANKY since they both come from Shenzhen: DP40 too).

And, as i said, there isn't any >1.2m DP80 certified cable.

DP80 Certified Archives - DisplayPort

www.displayport.org

 

[trsttte]

The thing about DP 2.1 is that UHBR support is... optional. So unless GPU or monitor manufacturer clearly specifies which DP 2.1 features are supported you're kinda going in blind (case in point AMD with their RX7000 series and "DP 2.1" support which then turned out to be UHBR13.5).

Even UHBR10 is a massive increase in bandwidth because of the signalling differences between DP1.4 and 2.1

There is also a cut down version of the same panel with DP 1.4 support:

That along the bullshit and pointless 18W power delivery makes me sad

What are you talking about? Official RDNA3 presentation clearly states that Radiance Display Engine is capable of 54 Gbps on DP 2.1 ports
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I don't know what to tell you, that's what they advertised for the professional cards. Just because they said that in the regular consumer stuff presentation doesn't mean the silicon doesn't support more.

AMD Announces Radeon Pro W7900 & W7800: RDNA 3 Comes To Workstation Cards

www.anandtech.com

 

[Tek-Check]

I don't know what to tell you, that's what they advertised for the professional cards. Just because they said that in the regular consumer stuff presentation doesn't mean the silicon doesn't support more.

Silicon does support UHBR20, but the member mentioned RX cards, not W cards.

 

[ghazi]

This is the monitor I've been waiting for since I gave up on 16:10 years ago and got a 27GN850. I've got to applaud it. Though given the pricing is sure to be high, and my 6900 XT probably isn't too great at 4K, I think I'll skip this gen. Glad it's finally here though. Now if only there was a compelling new graphics card.

 

[atomek]

I really love the KVM feature on Gigabyte monitors. I currently have M28U, I bought it with gaming in mind, but I really underestimated its KVM feature for work.

I have it connected with TB4 to Macbook Air (4k, 144hz) and PC. It works flawlessly - no external KVM needed, everything works like a charm (dual monitor when on Mac, shared camera, 2.5G NIC, mouse/keyboard and speakers and Mac is always charging - and thats all with single cable with magnetic tip). I just wish they would make this monitor in 27''. 31.5'' is too big for me and with OLED, text clarity is probably poor at this PPI. Please, please make this in 27''.