Top AMD RDNA4 Part Could Offer RX 7900 XTX Performance at Half its Price and Lower Power

[Deleted member 223428]

And you're in every AMD thread defending them. All is well in the world, after all, if a problem did not exist, we would sound like complete lunatics instead and you should have been able to dismiss any concerns instead of feeling outraged and writing walls of text. food for thought.

btw... nvcleanstall is a software utility from TPU. W1zzard made it. It's not an official Nvidia tool. It's meant to strip components out of the setup utility and make a custom driver installation. Doesn't serve the same purpose of AMD's cleanup utility, which is a driver uninstaller tool. They serve completely different purposes, despite the similar name.



This thread makes me yearn for bottle. and I don't even drink... John Jameson my old friend. Hearing that "gpu compute isn't important" pretty much shattered my view of the readership.

I can be a bit reluctant to accept things sometimes, but a few months ago I came to the realization that the type of conversation and interaction I want around tech just isn't possible here. :sadface:

 

[Sound_Card]

Weird, I would think that anyone posting here would know all software has bugs.

AMD even tells you about them:

• Fixed Issues and Improvements​

  • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using llama.cpp. This may also impact Ollama and LM Studio.
  • Texture corruption may appear while playing The Crew™ Motorfest.
  • System crash may be observed when first launching SteamVR while using Valve Index® at 144Hz on Radeon™ RX 6000 series graphics products.
  • Intermittent application freeze may be observed while loading a save file in Monster Hunter: World.
  • Intermittent application crash may be observed while playing Fortnite on Radeon™ RX 5000 series and above series graphics products.
  • H.264 encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.

Known Issues​

• Intermittent driver timeout or crash may be observed while playing Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 on some AMD Graphics Products, such as the AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370. Users experiencing this issue can enable Variable Graphics Memory in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition as a temporary measure (AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition -> Performance -> Tuning -> Variable Graphics Memory).
• Intermittent stutter may be observed while playing Marvel Rivals when AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation is enabled. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to disable AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation in the per-game settings as a temporary workaround.
• After using the AMD Cleanup Utility for Windows®, the AMD Bug Report Tool may appear intermittently during a new driver install on AMD Ryzen™ 7000 and above series processors paired with AMD Graphics Products.
• HEVC encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.
• Limitations for Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL 2) support can be found here.
• Lower than expected performance may be observed while using LM Studio on AMD Ryzen™ AI and Radeon™ products. We recommend users experiencing this issue to install our new driver, available here.

Nvidia does not state open issues in their releases. You need to go to their forums to see the issues. AMD has always been transparent in their documentation.

Never mind, I just saw you have a 4090. Adding you to my filter list. You spend 2k on a graphics card, but give opinions worth a canadian dollar.

I only know one person that may make use of GPU compute, and he no longer has any issues with amd for his work. I do programming, I don't even need a gpu for that, just video output. GPU compute, for most users (specially your every day, gaming and social media user), is not nearly as important as you think it is.

You won't see him reply to this. It's always the same marketing talking points.

 

[Dr. Dro]

You won't see him reply to this. It's always the same marketing talking points.

I'll reply to you alright. But since you're filtering us, why bother. Go enjoy your echo chamber paradise.

I can be a bit reluctant to accept things sometimes, but a few months ago I came to the realization that the type of conversation and interaction I want around tech just isn't possible here. :sadface:

Guess that makes two of us. I'm just stubborn

 

[Sound_Card]

There is a difference between necessary and nice to have. GPU Compute, for most people is a nice to have, for a few it is a necessity.

I don't deny that it is a necessity for some, but I deny that it is a necessity for all.

He won't tell you how he personally benefits from it. It will just be obfuscations. You will never get specifics. Just the marketing points paraphrased from Nvidia powerpoint slides.

 

[Dr. Dro]

He won't tell you how he personally benefits from it. It will just be obfuscations. You will never get specifics. Just the marketing points paraphrased from Nvidia powerpoint slides.

Even if I owed you any explanation (which I don't), it ultimately doesn't matter. You want to be a victim. So, excuse me if I have more productive things to do than appease to people who refuse to listen anyway. It's funny you claim to have put us all on ignore, yet you are still replying to this thread anyway. Go hang out at r/AMD and on AMDGPU's profile on X, you'll find likeminded individuals there.

 

[kapone32]

I am still waiting on the explanation of how AMD drivers are Garbage?

 

[Dr. Dro]

I am still waiting on the explanation of how AMD drivers are Garbage?

It'd literally be more productive to reply to you in Yiddish. It's above your pay grade, and it will always be if you keep this up.

Won't be replying here anymore.

 

[kapone32]

It'd literally be more productive to reply to you in Yiddish. It's above your pay grade, and it will always be if you keep this up.

Won't be replying here anymore.

You cannot even defend your own statement? Now you are running away from the thread you destroyed because someone is asking you to explain your very own comment? What was that word you used again?

 

[Dr. Dro]

You cannot even defend your own statement? Now you are running away from the thread you destroyed because someone is asking you to explain your very own comment? What was that word you used again?

If all it took was a single line claiming AMD drivers are horrible to "destroy a thread", then maybe I'm not the one in the wrong. All I got was ad hominem fallacies, the ol' "doesn't happen to me" and "nuh uh" as answers to the questions I've posed. So there's really nothing to talk about, not even you know why you're attached to that brand, other than some personal bias from however long ago.

However, it did open my eyes. I just don't have anything to discuss with people who genuinely state "GPU compute isn't important" in the year of our Lord 2025, in a place like TPU.

 

[kapone32]

If all it took was a single line claiming AMD drivers are horrible to "destroy a thread", then maybe I'm not the one in the wrong. All I got was ad hominem fallacies, the ol' "doesn't happen to me" and "nuh uh" as answers to the questions I've posed. So there's really nothing to talk about, not even you know why you're attached to that brand, other than some personal bias from however long ago.
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However, it did open my eyes. I just don't have anything to discuss with people who genuinely state "GPU compute isn't important" in the year of our Lord 2025, in a place like TPU.

No your continuance down that rabbit hole and then your usual accomplices joining in? Do you want me to show you? One of you shoved NV clean install at me and did not even know what it was> What are we doing? If you remember you basically said the card was dead in the water. Where I took issue is in where you stated that AMD drivers were garbage. Even now you cannot explain how you came to AMD drivers are horrible,

 

[AusWolf]

If this was the Linus Tech Tips forum I'd probably expect this, but not here. I'm surprised.

So you people genuinely believe that GPU compute is not necessary. Alrighty then!

Maybe it is for you, but definitely not for me. I don't know why it is so hard to understand that different people have different needs.

You just can’t seem to stop posting about Nvidia history in a thread about the 9070. Bizarre.

It's not about Nvidia. It's about the fact that every driver has occasional issues. The fact that AMD actually posts the known issues doesn't make them more problematic - just more transparent.

And you're in every AMD thread defending them. All is well in the world, after all, if a problem did not exist, we would sound like complete lunatics instead and you should have been able to dismiss any concerns instead of feeling outraged and writing walls of text. food for thought.

So destroying every AMD thread is the holy mission, and trying to preserve the discussion is wrong. See where we're going?

btw... nvcleanstall is a software utility from TPU. W1zzard made it. It's not an official Nvidia tool. It's meant to strip components out of the setup utility and make a custom driver installation. Doesn't serve the same purpose of AMD's cleanup utility, which is a driver uninstaller tool. They serve completely different purposes, despite the similar name.

Oh yes, AMD has a clean (no control panel) install option in its setup, no utility is needed.

This thread makes me yearn for bottle. and I don't even drink... John Jameson my old friend. Hearing that "gpu compute isn't important" pretty much shattered my view of the readership.

Go, drink then. Even that's better than endlessly going on about how shit AMD is and what idiots the few of us using AMD are.

If all it took was a single line claiming AMD drivers are horrible to "destroy a thread", then maybe I'm not the one in the wrong. All I got was ad hominem fallacies, the ol' "doesn't happen to me" and "nuh uh" as answers to the questions I've posed. So there's really nothing to talk about, not even you know why you're attached to that brand, other than some personal bias from however long ago.

However, it did open my eyes. I just don't have anything to discuss with people who genuinely state "GPU compute isn't important" in the year of our Lord 2025, in a place like TPU.

Which one is more believable? Someone who's had several AMD GPUs in the last 3-4 years and never had an issue with any of them, or someone who hasn't had one, just read a bunch of stuff on the internet? Which one is the bigger fallacy? Basing an opinion on personal experience, or parroting shit from random websites?

Besides, I'm sure I could find lots of pages discussing issues with Nvidia drivers as both I and my brother has had some. I just won't because there's no point in it, issues happen, it's called life. I see no perverted joy in bashing anyway.

 

[Patriot]

Which one is more believable? Someone who's had several AMD GPUs in the last 3-4 years and never had an issue with any of them, or someone who hasn't had one, just read a bunch of stuff on the internet? Which one is the bigger fallacy? Basing an opinion on personal experience, or parroting shit from random websites?

Besides, I'm sure I could find lots of pages discussing issues with Nvidia drivers as both I and my brother has had some. I just won't because there's no point in it, issues happen, it's called life. I see no perverted joy in bashing anyway.

I think you drank the red coolaid a bit hard... as someone who daily drives AMD cards for compute...
I also have encountered some terrible frame pacing and artifacts on pubg with my 6900xt, and witnessed it last night troubleshooting a friends rig with a 7900xtx. I have a 7900xtx, but its not gotten to game yet, its been on rocm duty. I bought my 7900xtx because AMD said this is a mid tier card, I don't see it unseating the 7900xtx, and if it does... its not going to be $500. But its got less vram and less vram bandwidth and less cores... on the same node. AMD makes decent hardware but they don't pull off miracles.

 

[3valatzy]

Nah, probably fake, but still - is this even realistic?
Pink bar is 9700 XT, orange bar is 9700, green bar is FE RTX 4080, purple bar is AIB RTX 4080, yellow bar is RTX 4070 Ti S.

 

[Zach_01]

^^This is pure raster and allegedly over a month ago with the 9070XT at 305W

 

[3valatzy]

^^This is pure raster

This is all we care about, is it not?

and allegedly over a month ago with the 9070XT at 305W

Meh! This means in March we can expect RTX 5090 performance, right? Right?

 

[Zach_01]

Meh! This means in March we can expect RTX 5090 performance, right? Right?

Wrong. On the same video it is said that those cards gain 1%/month roughly from drivers, so +2-3% overall at the same W.
I know... mocking can be fun, so no hard feelings

 

[3valatzy]

Wrong. On the same video it is said that those cards gain 1%/month roughly from drivers, so +2-3% overall at the same W.
I know... mocking can be fun, so no hard feelings

This means it doesn't make sense to hold the launch with the "software optimisation" excuse. Performance will remain the same.

From what I can see here, AMD now has a very golden opportunity to clinch some important market share back. If it is very careful to not overprice the cards, but give hefty discounts, which correspond to the declining market share, and lost popularity and credibility of the Radeon brand.

 

[Zach_01]

This means it doesn't make sense to hold the launch with the "software optimisation" excuse. Performance will remain the same.

From what I can see here, AMD now has a very golden opportunity to clinch some important market share back. If it is very careful to not overprice the cards, but give hefty discounts, which correspond to the declining market share, and lost popularity and credibility of the Radeon brand.

Are we suppose to take these videos with a grain of salt, or not?

I think AMD just found the opportunity for better optimization, wider FSR4 support, and its the matter of pricing too.
We can speculate as much as we want. AMD only knows why...