Top AMD RDNA4 Part Could Offer RX 7900 XTX Performance at Half its Price and Lower Power

[Dr. Dro]

You still refuse to define your Garbage statement.

I mean, not that the burden of proof is on me, I made an assertion, it's up to you to prove me wrong. That's how forums - a medium for the exchange of ideas - work.

So, tell me. What benefits will I get from buying a Radeon that I do not get with buying a GeForce? Can you say with the utmost certainty that their drivers are feature-complete? (beyond a "doesn't happen to me so doesn't happen to anyone else prob'ly) Can I expect each and every application I could possibly want to run, without having to resort to driver downgrades/version swaps, workarounds, disabling features and whatnot? Can I use the latest and greatest graphics techniques without running into bugs, crashes, or at the very least a tremendous reduction in performance? Will this product sustain my expected performance target and provide the experience I want in newer titles? (keeping in mind, I play at 4K, and if raw frame rates cannot be sustained, are upscaler methods reliable?) Can I play older games or use mods that may require API support that is off the beaten path? Will all of my art and video editing software work with equal or superior speed? Will I be provided with day one targeted updates to all the latest games? Will AMD have an equivalent or superior competitor to all of the next-generation features that Nvidia will offer and extend to their products over the years? Will I have drivers for this card when it is old and passed down, possibly even to my children someday since now I am approaching my mid 30's? What can this card do that the one I plan on acquiring will not? And after all of this, can you guarantee that I will not have my work bitterly destroyed by my old friend darkness amdkmdag.sys? Are you able to concisely explain to me why am I wrong in my supposedly biased view?

Let me rephrase and simplify this question: Why should I give AMD my hard earned cash and faithfully opt for their product instead?

It is very much the opposite, there isn't any hostility in calling out what is very obvious here. It's the Nvidia users always dunking on AMD in these threads, the hostility is in the same people always bashing on AMD when they have no intention in buying anything from AMD while looking down on anyone who doesn't own an Nvidia card.
And yes Nvidia has became greedy, people have been willingly letting themselves getting ripped off since the RTX 30 series, but most still haven't realized it and blame the AIB's for pricing compared to the very rare purposely limited in supply FE card. If a meme like "ngreedia" really bothers anyone then they need to consider their bias on how much they like a GPU company that doesn't care about their gaming customers.

That argument would maybe work if I happened to be the individual behind the "AMDGPU" account on X. No one is looking down on you people, it's never, ever been a personal thing. I don't think anyone on this forum or anywhere else on the internet actually have a personal problem with the choice of graphics card you prefer, mate.

I invite you to join kapone on answering the question I directed at him. Make me want to buy a 9070 XT instead of an RTX 5080 or 5090 based not only on your experiences, but on things that we have today, not on the basis of a potential future or promise by AMD. What cool things can this product do that my old Ada card can not. I promise you, pinky promise that I do not have my mind completely made in the sense of "It's nvidia or else" out of sheer brand loyalty, or I wouldn't have written this post.

That's for a great start - then we can start to debate the merits for people who unlike me, aren't in pursuit of bleeding-edge technology, but that is for another day.

 

[Patriot]

It's a breath of fresh air having this type of feedback. Things must be a ton better in the enterprise world than they are at the client segment. ROCm on client can't come fast enough. The lack of an unified, standardized runtime has been a huge problem. CUDA runs on anything NV, even that laptop from 2008 you found in your attic after decades. The value of that can't be understated, IMO.

WSL is the current way enabled for full rocm stack on windows.

Install Radeon software for WSL with ROCm — Use ROCm on Radeon GPUs

rocm.docs.amd.com

 

[Dr. Dro]

WSL is the current way enabled for full rocm stack on windows.

Install Radeon software for WSL with ROCm — Use ROCm on Radeon GPUs

rocm.docs.amd.com

Unfortunately, quite impractical (to the point of unfeasibility) for anyone writing and using a Windows application, not to mention the entire footprint of a Linux system on top.

 

[Patriot]

Unfortunately, quite impractical (to the point of unfeasibility) for anyone writing and using a Windows application, not to mention the entire footprint of a Linux system on top.

Depends what you are wanting to do, it immediately unlocks all LLM models as they are mainly developed on linux in the first place. And the linux footprint is rather small...
But if you are wanting to use it for rendering... They are working on desktop app support for windows directly through hip.

HIP SDK installation for Windows — HIP SDK installation (Windows)

HIP SDK installation for Windows

rocm.docs.amd.com

YMMV
I ... don't use windows for work... so...

 

[AusWolf]

Define "noise". Define "knows". Define "facts".

Noise = online discussion.
Knows = in possession of definite information.
Facts = definite information coming straight from AMD.

Better?

Edit: typo

Why is it that when anyone speaks anything that isn't strictly positive about AMD, it is thread crapping and hostility, but when it is anything related to Nvidia it's fair game to dunk on anything, prices, call them "nGreedia", Jensen, people who "willingly let themselves get ripped off", yeah, it's perfectly okay to do so?

So by your logic, if there are people throwing "Ngreedia" around, then you may as well join the fight and throw in a line about some "crappy drivers" with zero detail or explanation? How does that make you better than the "Ngreedia" people? How does that help anybody on the forum make an informed judgement? It doesn't.

 

[Dr. Dro]

So by your logic, if there are people throwing "Ngreedia" around, then you may as well join the fight and throw in a line about some "crappy drivers" with zero detail or explanation? How does that make you better than the "Ngreedia" people? How does that help anybody on the forum make an informed judgement? It doesn't.

Let's start by the completely dysfunctional compute architecture, inconsistent release schedule and the incomplete API support. Their habit of taking the lazy route and doing the barest minimum work on the software as possible. The mindset which resulted in the recent "Antilag gets you VAC banned" disgrace. Amongst many others, the thing is, going into each and every of these takes time and effort unsuitable even for a topic all its own about this. It's not really going to result in a productive back and forth because frankly, nobody's interested.

But I am not as conceited as thinking I am above reproach or that my word is law. I too make mistakes (many of them, in fact) and like any other human being, highly prone to talking smack. Thus, I am still waiting: Why should I give AMD my hard earned cash and faithfully opt for their product instead?

 

[Visible Noise]

There are three problems with this theory. The first is that AMD doesn't need multiple GCDs to reach the high end market. RDNA3 is evidence of that, where they have one GCD and multiple cache dies. The second is that it assumes AMD completely bungle their ability to have multiple GCDs on a single die for the second generation in a row.

Most of all though economically it makes zero sense for AMD to stop at the mid-range. AMD can add or subtract chiplets from a design at a near linear cost.

Alas here we go. People making stories about the narrative is crazy. Is there any statement from an AMD employee that they are not looking for the most powerful GPU to get over 50% more performance than the 7900XTX? How quickly the people in this thread forget that the 7900 series cards are faster than the 3090. I guess that does not matter in a world where the narrative is more trusted than the truth. This reminds me of the stories that purported that Ryzen was focused for the mainstream market and not for the high end.

These aged well…

 

[AusWolf]

Let's start by the completely dysfunctional compute architecture, inconsistent release schedule and the incomplete API support. Their habit of taking the lazy route and doing the barest minimum work on the software as possible. The mindset which resulted in the recent "Antilag gets you VAC banned" disgrace. Amongst many others, the thing is, going into each and every of these takes time and effort unsuitable even for a topic all its own about this. It's not really going to result in a productive back and forth because frankly, nobody's interested.

But I am not as conceited as thinking I am above reproach or that my word is law. I too make mistakes (many of them, in fact) and like any other human being, highly prone to talking smack. Thus, I am still waiting: Why should I give AMD my hard earned cash and faithfully opt for their product instead?

1. Not everybody cares about compute.
2. The release schedule doesn't affect the product, let alone drivers.
3. It wasn't anti-lag, but anti-lag plus, and it got fixed, as far as I know.
4. What incomplete API support?

+1. No one said you should buy AMD. But just because you have your reasons not to, it doesn't mean that those reasons aren't highly subjective.

 

[Dr. Dro]

1. Not everybody cares about compute.
2. The release schedule doesn't affect the product, let alone drivers.
3. It wasn't anti-lag, but anti-lag plus, and it got fixed, as far as I know.
4. What incomplete API support?

+1. No one said you should buy AMD. But just because you have your reasons not to, it doesn't mean that those reasons aren't highly subjective.

1. Everyone should care. What is a GPU without reliable compute in 2025? We're in the middle of the AI age. Everything uses GPGPU compute today, and it's incidentally at this time that they most sorely miss having a viable CUDA equivalent. All of their attempts have been trash on Windows. ROCm more or less took off on Linux out of sheer necessity, but remains an unfulfilled promise on Windows.

2. Yes, it does affect the product. GPUs without drivers are as good as expensive paperweights. You should demand of them the very highest standards in support software releases.

3. Semantics, and yes, of course it got fixed. But the fact remains that should have never shipped. It's one of the most unsanitary, unsafe, utterly stupid ideas I have ever seen. I've once heard a rather stupid joke about the AMD driver being developed by 4 Indian guys in a basement, paid with a goat and a crate of cheap beer. Of course, to even entertain such a notion that this individual was actually being serious is completely absurd, but stunts like the VAC issue truly do place them in that exact light to anyone who has an actual sense of the do's and don'ts of how the Windows DLL architecture works.

4. There was a reason as to why I made the inquiry as to if they actually offer comprehensive support to all API extensions from a wildly popular, 16 year old graphics API. Just as there was a reason I did not get an answer.

I take it no one will try to make a good faith answer to a good faith question, then. I genuinely want to understand what drives this passion, and why are their products worth it.

 

[AusWolf]

1. Everyone should care. What is a GPU without reliable compute in 2025? We're in the middle of the AI age. Everything uses GPGPU compute today, and it's incidentally at this time that they most sorely miss having a viable CUDA equivalent. All of their attempts have been trash on Windows. ROCm more or less took off on Linux out of sheer necessity, but remains an unfulfilled promise on Windows.

Bullshit. Why should a gamer care about compute? I've never used compute in my life and I don't intend to.

2. Yes, it does affect the product. GPUs without drivers are as good as expensive paperweights. You should demand of them the very highest standards in support software releases.

You still haven't mentioned a single issue with the drivers.

3. Semantics, and yes, of course it got fixed. But the fact remains that should have never shipped. It's one of the most unsanitary, unsafe, utterly stupid ideas I have ever seen. I've once heard a rather stupid joke about the AMD driver being developed by 4 Indian guys in a basement, paid with a goat and a crate of cheap beer. Of course, to even entertain such a notion that this individual was actually being serious is completely absurd, but stunts like the VAC issue truly do place them in that exact light to anyone who has an actual sense of the do's and don'ts of how the Windows DLL architecture works.

Sure, be angry about a past error related to an optional feature that got fixed. It won't fix it any further, you know.

4. There was a reason as to why I made the inquiry as to if they actually offer comprehensive support to all API extensions from a wildly popular, 16 year old graphics API. Just as there was a reason I did not get an answer.

What extensions aren't supported?

I take it no one will try to make a good faith answer to a good faith question, then. I genuinely want to understand what drives this passion, and why are their products worth it.

Where are your good faith answers? All I see is some general shittalk about AMD and drivers, but no examples.

 

[Visible Noise]

Bullshit. Why should a gamer care about compute? I've never used compute in my life and I don't intend to.

Is gaming the only thing you do on your PC?

You still haven't mentioned a single issue with the drivers.

Have they gotten all their HDR issues straightened out yet?

 

[AusWolf]

Is gaming the only thing you do on your PC?

I also browse the web, watch YouTube and offline videos, look at family photos, edit documents, etc. None of these tasks needs GPU compute.

Edit: I also crunch with WCG, but it doesn't have any GPU work for my Nvidia cards, either.

Have they gotten all their HDR issues straightened out yet?

What HDR issues? I might have missed the news on that one. I've never had problems with HDR on my system.

 

[Dr. Dro]

no examples

Nothing more from me... I don't know how to reply while remaining cordial, really. Even if gaming is all you ever did (to the extent it'd make a gaming console blush, strictly by the books), GPU compute has been an integral part of it. It was one of the pillars of the unified shader revolution, and since DirectX 11, it's been a core function of the API. As for the rest, you know most of it already to some extent or the other. The juice is not worth the squeeze, because I know myself and I will sound patronizing. That is not something I wish to do.

I can take things in sport and learn from experiences, so I was hoping that someone could shed light on why am I wrong, without resorting to anecdotal "evidence". The simple truth is, there is not one department where AMD's software ecosystem measures up, but like I said, I am not conceited as to considering myself to be above reproach.

The one thing I won't accept is the regarding the whole Anti-Lag VAC issue. That was beyond unacceptable, it's not just an "error", it's going below even the lowest software quality standards that anyone could have. I just won't look the other way for something like that. I'm generally lenient with blunders as long as things are made right and made right fast, but this one was easily the most egregious of all.

 

[AusWolf]

Nothing more from me... I don't know how to reply while remaining cordial, really. Even if gaming is all you ever did (to the extent it'd make a gaming console blush, strictly by the books), GPU compute has been an integral part of it. It was one of the pillars of the unified shader revolution, and since DirectX 11, it's been a core function of the API. As for the rest, you know most of it already to some extent or the other. The juice is not worth the squeeze, because I know myself and I will sound patronizing. That is not something I wish to do.

Aha, so you personally have nothing, but you expect everyone to believe you based on evidence you don't have?

Sure, my evidence on current issues with Nvidia (one) and current issues with AMD (none) are anecdotal, but even that's better than just talking out of thin air, don't you think?

Personally, I always take stuff on the internet with a grain of salt. Even reviews. That's why I go out of my way and buy stuff that I'm interested in. I even bought a 6500 XT only because everyone on the online world was outrageous about it, I wanted to see what the fuss was about. That's the kind of person I am. I've had lots of disappointment in generally loved products, and I've grown to love ones that are generally hated by the public.

So I'm sorry, but no first-hand evidence = no evidence in my eyes. It's only fan-talk or shittalk.

I can take things in sport and learn from experiences, so I was hoping that someone could shed light on why am I wrong, without resorting to anecdotal "evidence". The simple truth is, there is not one department where AMD's software ecosystem measures up, but like I said, I am not conceited as to considering myself to be above reproach.

Control panel? Linux support? Overclocking / tuning? Just to name a few.

The one thing I won't accept is the regarding the whole Anti-Lag VAC issue. That was beyond unacceptable, it's not just an "error", it's going below even the lowest software quality standards that anyone could have. I just won't look the other way for something like that. I'm generally lenient with blunders as long as things are made right and made right fast, but this one was easily the most egregious of all.

Okay. Please let us know how AMD could fix it beyond it being fixed.

Edit: I'm also curious why you think that compute is essential for gaming.

 

[Visible Noise]

What HDR issues? I might have missed the news on that one. I've never had problems with HDR on my system.

Obviously you have. It’s been two years and they still haven’t fixed the broken HDR on their APUs.

 

[AusWolf]

Obviously you have. It’s been two years and they still haven’t fixed the broken HDR on their APUs.

So it's only APUs, not dGPUs? I obviously missed it / haven't heard about it.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Aha, so you personally have nothing, but you expect everyone to believe you based on evidence you don't have?

Right, you're quite free to think that mate. Rants are useless, and rants that serve little purpose beyond causing bad blood are actively detrimental. Still, I appreciate you playing the devil's advocate, some of the questions you made ill befit your status

Control panel? Linux support? Overclocking / tuning? Just to name a few.

Ain't much, I personally don't care for it, but

Download NVIDIA App

The essential companion for PC gamers and creators.

www.nvidia.com

While speaking of nice control panels, shame this isn't available on gaming drivers. Quite useful

Okay. Please let us know how AMD could fix it beyond it being fixed.

The more appropriate question is "How did this get greenlit, vetted, supposedly tested, marketed and shipped".

 

[AusWolf]

Right, you're quite free to think that mate. Rants are useless, and rants that serve little purpose beyond causing bad blood are actively detrimental. Still, I appreciate you playing the devil's advocate, some of the questions you made ill befit your status

If rants are useless, then why are you doing it? I'm not the one complaining about some driver quality issues here.

Ain't much, I personally don't care for it, but

You're totally free not to care about any of it. But then, am I not free not to care about Nvidia's features, including CUDA, and regard them as optional instead of necessary?

The more appropriate question is "How did this get greenlit, vetted, supposedly tested, marketed and shipped".

How did the 3.5 GB GTX 970 get greenlit, vetted, supposedly tested, marketed and shipped? Do you see how useless talking about the past is?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Simple... it wasn't a 3.5 GB card, it was not a design fault, it was a limitation of the architecture... alternative would be to release it as a true 3.5GB product, which in hindsight would have avoided them a lawsuit. Could ask the same of Bulldozer, I argue it was an 8 core processor even with its architecture, but AMD settled in court in recognition otherwise...

And are we even talking about the same thing at this point? You kinda brought up the fancy control panel. idk, I need sleep. will make sure to count the leather jackets

 

[AusWolf]

Simple... it wasn't a 3.5 GB card, it was not a design fault, it was a limitation of the architecture... alternative would be to release it as a true 3.5GB product, which in hindsight would have avoided them a lawsuit. Could ask the same of Bulldozer, I argue it was an 8 core processor even with its architecture, but AMD settled in court in recognition otherwise...

Ah, so if Nvidia intentionally misleads customers, it's fine, but if AMD makes a genuine mistake, it should be remembered and talked about forever. Now we see where the wind blows.

And are we even talking about the same thing at this point? You kinda brought up the fancy control panel. idk, I need sleep. will make sure to count the leather jackets

I brought it up as an example of something that does measure up and exceed Nvidia's solution (as you claimed there was nothing such).

You're fine not to like what AMD has, and prefer Nvidia instead. Just don't try to sell it as objective fact because it's not.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Bro. Neither company intentionally misled anyone in both mentioned cases. They were limitations of the technology at the time. That goes for both FX and the 970.

 

[AusWolf]

Bro. Neither company intentionally misled anyone in both mentioned cases. They were limitations of the technology at the time. That goes for both FX and the 970.

The 970 was marketed as a 4 GB 224.4 GB/s card. The last 0.5 GB operating at a much lower bandwidth was never mentioned.

But this is not my point. My point is that we shouldn't argue about the past, especially in an RDNA 4 thread. It's totally not relevant to anything here.

 

[Visible Noise]

Are you really bringing up a 15 year old Nvidia card in a thread about the 9070?

Get a grip dude.

 

[AusWolf]

Are you really bringing up a 15 year old Nvidia card in a thread about the 9070?

Get a grip dude.

No. I'm saying it shouldn't matter now, just like AMD's anti-lag error which was fixed. No one should say that AMD's drivers are bad because they heard about some isolated problem a thousand years ago that got fixed since.

 

[Visible Noise]

No. I'm saying it shouldn't matter now, just like AMD's anti-lag error which was fixed. No one should say that AMD's drivers are bad because they heard about some isolated problem a thousand years ago that got fixed since.

I agree. There are plenty of current issues in AMD drivers.