Top AMD RDNA4 Part Could Offer RX 7900 XTX Performance at Half its Price and Lower Power

[Zach_01]

No. I'm saying it shouldn't matter now, just like AMD's anti-lag error which was fixed. No one should say that AMD's drivers are bad because they heard about some isolated problem a thousand years ago that got fixed since.

Just another 9070 related thread that turned into a charade. Full of irrelevancy and disorientation... Kinda entertaining to be honest

 

[AusWolf]

I agree. There are plenty of current issues in AMD drivers.

Here we go again. *Facepalm*

Go on, then. I see you want to talk about it.

 

[Visible Noise]

Here we go again. *Facepalm*

Go on, then. I see you want to talk about it.

Oh, not at all. I agreed with you that old resolved issues should stay in the past. But that doesn’t excuse current issues, don’t you think?

 

[AusWolf]

Oh, not at all. I agreed with you that old resolved issues should stay in the past. But that doesn’t excuse current issues, don’t you think?

And I said I'll bite... What current issues? You can't just say that something is shit without saying why.

Edit: You mentioned HDR issues on APUs earlier. I haven't heard anything about that, but I'll give you that one.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Here we go again. *Facepalm*

Go on, then. I see you want to talk about it.

His username checks out I still don't know why the hate on AMD, they just basing on whatever they read online. I got 5700G, sometimes I remove the discrete GPU and run on its iGPU just to test how it performs (usually because the mobo got VGA output so I can play modern game on CRT ). The driver is fine I have no problems with it, I even tested some apps that use compute that could run on it, runs fine as well (I usually use Topaz video AI to upscale older videos)

Back to topic, AMD should release this card yesterday. I would've bought one right about now.

 

[Visible Noise]

And I said I'll bite... What current issues? You can't just say that something is shit without saying why.

Edit: You mentioned HDR issues on APUs earlier. I haven't heard anything about that, but I'll give you that one.

Even excluding that drivers are holding up the launch of RDNA4, are you saying there are no issues in AMD’s drivers?

 

[AusWolf]

Even excluding that drivers are holding up the launch of RDNA4, are you saying there are no issues in AMD’s drivers?

According to my experience with various RDNA 2 and 3 cards on Linux and Windows 10 in the course of about the last 3-4 years, yes, I'm saying that. What issues have you had recently? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Visible Noise]

Weird, I would think that anyone posting here would know all software has bugs.

AMD even tells you about them:

• Fixed Issues and Improvements​

  • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using llama.cpp. This may also impact Ollama and LM Studio.
  • Texture corruption may appear while playing The Crew™ Motorfest.
  • System crash may be observed when first launching SteamVR while using Valve Index® at 144Hz on Radeon™ RX 6000 series graphics products.
  • Intermittent application freeze may be observed while loading a save file in Monster Hunter: World.
  • Intermittent application crash may be observed while playing Fortnite on Radeon™ RX 5000 series and above series graphics products.
  • H.264 encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.

Known Issues​

• Intermittent driver timeout or crash may be observed while playing Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 on some AMD Graphics Products, such as the AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370. Users experiencing this issue can enable Variable Graphics Memory in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition as a temporary measure (AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition -> Performance -> Tuning -> Variable Graphics Memory).
• Intermittent stutter may be observed while playing Marvel Rivals when AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation is enabled. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to disable AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation in the per-game settings as a temporary workaround.
• After using the AMD Cleanup Utility for Windows®, the AMD Bug Report Tool may appear intermittently during a new driver install on AMD Ryzen™ 7000 and above series processors paired with AMD Graphics Products.
• HEVC encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.
• Limitations for Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL 2) support can be found here.
• Lower than expected performance may be observed while using LM Studio on AMD Ryzen™ AI and Radeon™ products. We recommend users experiencing this issue to install our new driver, available here.

 

[AusWolf]

Weird, I would think that anyone posting here would know all software has bugs.

AMD even tells you about them:

• Fixed Issues and Improvements​

  • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using llama.cpp. This may also impact Ollama and LM Studio.
  • Texture corruption may appear while playing The Crew™ Motorfest.
  • System crash may be observed when first launching SteamVR while using Valve Index® at 144Hz on Radeon™ RX 6000 series graphics products.
  • Intermittent application freeze may be observed while loading a save file in Monster Hunter: World.
  • Intermittent application crash may be observed while playing Fortnite on Radeon™ RX 5000 series and above series graphics products.
  • H.264 encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.

Known Issues​

• Intermittent driver timeout or crash may be observed while playing Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 on some AMD Graphics Products, such as the AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370. Users experiencing this issue can enable Variable Graphics Memory in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition as a temporary measure (AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition -> Performance -> Tuning -> Variable Graphics Memory).
• Intermittent stutter may be observed while playing Marvel Rivals when AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation is enabled. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to disable AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation in the per-game settings as a temporary workaround.
• After using the AMD Cleanup Utility for Windows®, the AMD Bug Report Tool may appear intermittently during a new driver install on AMD Ryzen™ 7000 and above series processors paired with AMD Graphics Products.
• HEVC encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.
• Limitations for Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL 2) support can be found here.
• Lower than expected performance may be observed while using LM Studio on AMD Ryzen™ AI and Radeon™ products. We recommend users experiencing this issue to install our new driver, available here.

You managed to find the release notes? Wow, good stuff!
You still haven't answered my question: What issues have you experienced recently?

Anyway...
1. Just because AMD lists the known issues in their driver release notes, it doesn't mean that everybody experiences them.
2. Just because Nvidia doesn't list the know issues with their game-ready drivers (I wonder why), it doesn't mean that there isn't any.
3. Have a look at Nvidia's studio driver release notes. Only the table of contents of their issues is two A4 pages long.

So if you think that only AMD has driver-related issues simply because only AMD lists them publicly, then you're really far from the whole picture.

That's why I said earlier: if you want to test something, buy the product, and have a look yourself. Everybody knows how to read a driver web page.

Edit: Let's look at the issues that Nvidia fixed recently in their game ready drivers (because the list of known issues isn't public) since we're so damn good at reading random stuff from the internet.

566.36

• [Forza Horizon 5/God of War: Ragnarok] Game may crash during gameplay after updating to R565 release drivers [4895068]

566.14

Fixed Gaming Bugs

• DSR/DLDSR custom resolutions may not appear in certain games [4839770]
• [Call of Duty MWIII] filename change preventing users from using GFE Freestyle Filters [4927183]

Fixed General Bugs

• [Bluestacks/Corsair iCUE] May display higher than normal CPU usage [4895184][4893446]
• When "Shader Cache size" is set to "disabled" cache files may still be created [4895217]

Open Issues

• Windows 10 transparency effects not working correctly after updating to driver version 566.03 [4922638]

566.03

Fixed General Bugs

• Digital Vibrance custom setting does not persist on reboot or wake from sleep [4801216]
• [Bluestacks/Corsair iCUE] May display higher than normal CPU usage [4895184][4893446]

Yep, Nvidia drivers are perfect (*khm*).

 

[3valatzy]

We are screwed.

Retailer confirms PowerColor Radeon RX 9070 XT Red Devil Limited Edition is in stock, talks AMD pricing strategy - VideoCardz.com

Red Devil Limited Edition teased by retailer A large retailer in Bulgaria (Gplay) has an interesting video on Radeon GPUs. The video uses our article as a background, an article about AMD’s Radeon RX 9070 launch date based on the company’s announcements. The retailer is clearly not trying to...

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[AusWolf]

We are screwed.

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Retailer confirms PowerColor Radeon RX 9070 XT Red Devil Limited Edition is in stock, talks AMD pricing strategy - VideoCardz.com

Red Devil Limited Edition teased by retailer A large retailer in Bulgaria (Gplay) has an interesting video on Radeon GPUs. The video uses our article as a background, an article about AMD’s Radeon RX 9070 launch date based on the company’s announcements. The retailer is clearly not trying to...

videocardz.com

So basically, AMD wanted to pull another RX 7600 move - last generation performance at last generation price (according to this one retailer at least). Bold. Very bold.
Come on, AMD. Try again.

Let's see if the actual price in March ends up being any more acceptable.

 

[kapone32]

Weird, I would think that anyone posting here would know all software has bugs.

AMD even tells you about them:

• Fixed Issues and Improvements​

  • Lower than expected performance may be observed while using llama.cpp. This may also impact Ollama and LM Studio.
  • Texture corruption may appear while playing The Crew™ Motorfest.
  • System crash may be observed when first launching SteamVR while using Valve Index® at 144Hz on Radeon™ RX 6000 series graphics products.
  • Intermittent application freeze may be observed while loading a save file in Monster Hunter: World.
  • Intermittent application crash may be observed while playing Fortnite on Radeon™ RX 5000 series and above series graphics products.
  • H.264 encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.

Known Issues​

• Intermittent driver timeout or crash may be observed while playing Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 on some AMD Graphics Products, such as the AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370. Users experiencing this issue can enable Variable Graphics Memory in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition as a temporary measure (AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition -> Performance -> Tuning -> Variable Graphics Memory).
• Intermittent stutter may be observed while playing Marvel Rivals when AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation is enabled. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to disable AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 frame generation in the per-game settings as a temporary workaround.
• After using the AMD Cleanup Utility for Windows®, the AMD Bug Report Tool may appear intermittently during a new driver install on AMD Ryzen™ 7000 and above series processors paired with AMD Graphics Products.
• HEVC encoding may not work as expected while using OBS Studio with Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting.
• Limitations for Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL 2) support can be found here.
• Lower than expected performance may be observed while using LM Studio on AMD Ryzen™ AI and Radeon™ products. We recommend users experiencing this issue to install our new driver, available here.

I have been wondering what NVclean Install is and why it is so popular.

 

[Krit]

RX 7900 XTX price for RX 7900 XT performance what they are thinking ? It's so ridiculous that is almost hard to believe after two wasted years.

 

[3valatzy]

RX 7900 XTX price for RX 7900 XT performance

... with RX 7800 XT specs ...

what they are thinking ? It's so ridiculous that is almost hard to believe after two wasted years.

Probably targeting 0% market share. Very good objective in front of them, and very achievable

 

[AusWolf]

Probably targeting 0% market share. Very good objective in front of them, and very achievable

Let's save the doom and gloom for the final price, shall we? They are adjusting it after all.

 

[Krit]

... with RX 7800 XT specs ...

Exactly RX 7800 XT specs and RX 7900 XTX price!

Let's save the doom and gloom for the final price, shall we? They are adjusting it after all.

Better hope it's not true rumor because from 900$ they will not drop to 600$ that's for sure! If it's really was priced at 900$ the performance at least should match (bare minimum) RTX 4080 Super. Otherwise it makes no sense at all.

 

[AusWolf]

Better hope it's not true rumor because from 900$ they will not drop to 600$ that's for sure! If it's really was priced at 900$ the performance at least (bare minimum) should match RTX 4080 Super. Otherwise it makes no sense at all.

They know Nvidia's pricing on the 50-series, so they can't go higher that the suggested performance level anyway.

 

[theouto]

1. Everyone should care. What is a GPU without reliable compute in 2025? We're in the middle of the AI age. Everything uses GPGPU compute today, and it's incidentally at this time that they most sorely miss having a viable CUDA equivalent. All of their attempts have been trash on Windows. ROCm more or less took off on Linux out of sheer necessity, but remains an unfulfilled promise on Windows.

I only know one person that may make use of GPU compute, and he no longer has any issues with amd for his work. I do programming, I don't even need a gpu for that, just video output. GPU compute, for most users (specially your every day, gaming and social media user), is not nearly as important as you think it is.

 

[Dr. Dro]

If this was the Linus Tech Tips forum I'd probably expect this, but not here. I'm surprised.

So you people genuinely believe that GPU compute is not necessary. Alrighty then!

 

[Visible Noise]

I have been wondering what NVclean Install is and why it is so popular.

It’s just like the AMD cleanup utility that AMD has put on their downloads landing page:

AMD Cleanup Utility is designed to remove any previously installed AMD graphics and audio drivers/software found on a system and to prepare it for new graphics software and driver installation.

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/GPU-601.html

Does that clear it up for you?

If this was the Linus Tech Tips forum I'd probably expect this, but not here. I'm surprised.

So you people genuinely believe that GPU compute is not necessary. Alrighty then!

I was a big skeptic of GPGPU.

A decade ago.

Edit: Let's look at the issues that Nvidia fixed recently in their game ready drivers (because the list of known issues isn't public) since we're so damn good at reading random stuff from the internet.

You just can’t seem to stop posting about Nvidia history in a thread about the 9070. Bizarre.

 

[kapone32]

It’s just like the AMD cleanup utility that AMD has put on their downloads landing page:

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/GPU-601.html

Does that clear it up for you?




You just can’t seem to stop posting about Nvidia history in a thread about the 9070. Bizarre.

Meanwhile, where is NVCleanup? Is it also on Nvidia''s site? What it clears to me is that you seem to think that because you think it is that it can only be right. You see that is a resource that is also in AMD software. I guess TPU won't but you Dr. Dro and 3valtazy are ALWAYS on AMD threads bashing. What blows me away is that you have already won the narrative. Why don't you take your 95% mindshare and extoll it in Nvidia threads? Nope let's go into AMD threads and make bombastic claims that AMD can't do this or AMD can't do that. You went on the AMD page to get that utility right? Well is there not a Thread here on TPU that NVclean Install was updated by who? What is really funny is that while the Nvidia narrative focuses on DLSS. What version are we at now 4? Yeah that's right. Meanwhile in AMD software there is a lillte button called Hyper RX that essentially does the same thing as DLSS. The only difference is it is at the Driver level so even if a Game only supports DLSS like City Skylines I still get the percieved improvement in FPS but the smoothness is there. Of course that is the only Game that I have to do that with. I don't have to worry about Console Ports getting DLSS support. Remember when the narrative said Bathesda was paid by AMD not to include DLSS support. That is the exact same propaganda that you are spreading talking about hardware that you do not use like you know AMD so intimately that people that buy AMD are foolish. Why else would you spend so much energy moving goal posts. It is what you all do though. Thanks for destroying another thread and TPU does nothing as it is AMD GPUs so they are an afterthought. Unless they are handhelds. We are excited about those.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Meanwhile, where is NVCleanup? Is it also on Nvidia''s site? What it clears to me is that you seem to think that because you think it is that it can only be right. You see that is a resource that is also in AMD software. I guess TPU won't but you Dr. Dro and 3valtazy are ALWAYS on AMD threads bashing. What blows me away is that you have already won the narrative. Why don't you take your 95% mindshare and extoll it in Nvidia threads? Nope let's go into AMD threads and make bombastic claims that AMD can't do this or AMD can't do that. You went on the AMD page to get that utility right? Well is there not a Thread here on TPU that NVclean Install was updated by who? What is really funny is that while the Nvidia narrative focuses on DLSS. What version are we at now 4? Yeah that's right. Meanwhile in AMD software there is a lillte button called Hyper RX that essentially does the same thing as DLSS. The only difference is it is at the Driver level so even if a Game only supports DLSS like City Skylines I still get the percieved improvement in FPS but the smoothness is there. Of course that is the only Game that I have to do that with. I don't have to worry about Console Ports getting DLSS support. Remember when the narrative said Bathesda was paid by AMD not to include DLSS support. That is the exact same propaganda that you are spreading talking about hardware that you do not use like you know AMD so intimately that people that buy AMD are foolish. Why else would you spend so much energy moving goal posts. It is what you all do though. Thanks for destroying another thread and TPU does nothing as it is AMD GPUs so they are an afterthought. Unless they are handhelds. We are excited about those.

And you're in every AMD thread defending them. All is well in the world, after all, if a problem did not exist, we would sound like complete lunatics instead and you should have been able to dismiss any concerns instead of feeling outraged and writing walls of text. food for thought.

btw... nvcleanstall is a software utility from TPU. W1zzard made it. It's not an official Nvidia tool. It's meant to strip components out of the setup utility and make a custom driver installation. Doesn't serve the same purpose of AMD's cleanup utility, which is a driver uninstaller tool. They serve completely different purposes, despite the similar name.

I was a big skeptic of GPGPU.

A decade ago.

This thread makes me yearn for bottle. and I don't even drink... John Jameson my old friend. Hearing that "gpu compute isn't important" pretty much shattered my view of the readership.

 

[kapone32]

And you're in every AMD thread defending them. All is well in the world, after all, if a problem did not exist, we would sound like complete lunatics instead and you should have been able to dismiss any concerns instead of feeling outraged and writing walls of text. food for thought.

btw... nvcleanstall is a software utility from TPU. W1zzard made it. It's not an official Nvidia tool. It's meant to strip components out of the setup utility and make a custom driver installation. Doesn't serve the same purpose of AMD's cleanup utility, which is a driver uninstaller tool. They serve completely different purposes, despite the similar name.



This thread makes me yearn for bottle. and I don't even drink... John Jameson my old friend. Hearing that "gpu compute isn't important" pretty much shattered my view of the readership.I have a

I have a right as I do happen to own AMD products to speak on them. Do you think when you say AMD drivers are garbage that you sound reasonable if someone looks at your profile and sees that you don't even own AMD hardware?

Thanks for confirming that for me about NV Clean Install. I am not going to point out the hypocrisy you are avoiding but have so sweetly pointed out.

That is it right there. Why do you think that any of this matters. Do you really think I lose sleep over this distraction. This is a hobby nothing more for me.

 

[Visible Noise]

btw... nvcleanstall is a software utility from TPU. W1zzard made it. It's not an official Nvidia tool. It's meant to strip components out of the setup utility and make a custom driver installation. Doesn't serve the same purpose of AMD's cleanup utility, which is a driver uninstaller tool. They serve completely different purposes, despite the similar name.

Oh, my bad, I thought it was a utility to clean up after a bad uninstall. You know, get rid of the crap and do a fresh clean install.

I may give it try when the 570 driver branch is official and stable.

I have a right as I do happen to own AMD products to speak on them.

I also own many products that have AMD components in them. Including this Lenovo laptop that I’m using to write this reply to you.

I’m just not any more emotionally connected to an APU as I would be to a screwdriver.

 

[theouto]

So you people genuinely believe that GPU compute is not necessary. Alrighty then!

There is a difference between necessary and nice to have. GPU Compute, for most people is a nice to have, for a few it is a necessity.

I don't deny that it is a necessity for some, but I deny that it is a necessity for all.