AMD Radeon RX 9070 and 9070 XT Official Performance Metrics Leaked, +42% 4K Performance Over Radeon RX 7900 GRE

[bug]

u think u lost the money if u buy GPU?
U can sell it, u cant get moneys back u spend in vacation.
Also u have that GPU next lets say 2y

My 4090 cost me like 400$ because i sold it.
See, i didint lost those moneys i invest in 4090 but i can enjoys High/max settings in 4K while others who spend 400$ in GPU cant.

Following that train of thought, $100,000 for a video card is no big deal, because you can sell the old one for like $90,000 so you make most of it back.

 

[Sir Beregond]

At 649$ their marketshare will keep shrinking. 549$ is good!

I agree. The beancounters at AMD I am sure feel like $649 is "good", but I don't think that would be nearly aggressive enough to shake up the market and win back marketshare.

They really need to treat this like Zen - Zen 2 where they were super aggressive in the space to claw back marketshare. It worked.

EDIT: Anyone remember the 4850 and 4870 during the 200-series from Nvidia? $199 and $299 cards respectively smacking down the $649 GTX 280 and $449 GTX 260. The difference between back then and now is people are actually not that happy with Nvidia these days. It's really a prime opportunity to do this again and win back a portion of the market.

 

[kapone32]

I agree. The beancounters at AMD I am sure feel like $649 is "good", but I don't think that would be nearly aggressive enough to shake up the market and win back marketshare.

They really need to treat this like Zen - Zen 2 where they were super aggressive in the space to claw back marketshare. It worked.

EDIT: Anyone remember the 4850 and 4870 during the 200-series from Nvidia? $199 and $299 cards respectively smacking down the $649 GTX 280 and $449 GTX 260. The difference between back then and now is people are actually not that happy with Nvidia these days. It's really a prime opportunity to do this again and win back a portion of the market.

Yes but in those days YT did not exist. I am not saying that it alone has people using excuses for every single Nvidia problem. Then there are things on TPU like a user asking about an AMD card and have a staff member respond with Nvidia.

 

[dragontamer5788]

They really need to treat this like Zen - Zen 2 where they were super aggressive in the space to claw back marketshare. It worked.

You know what worked? Fighting Intel when Intel couldn't put up decent competition.

Fighting NVidia is a different story. NVidia is almost entirely focused on GPUs (albeit on AI / Datacenter these days, but still close enough to video games to benefit).

Just dropping prices without acknowledging the long-term damage to AMD's brand is a bad idea. You can't just keep dropping prices each time NVidia raises them. If people aren't willing to jump for a nearly equivalent card at -$50 or -$100, then its not worth chasing them to -$150 or -$200.

Especially when NVidia in practice is +$200 in practice due to scalpers. So there's multiple-hundreds of dollars difference between NVidia cards and their equivalent AMD card as it is.

 

[Sir Beregond]

You know what worked? Fighting Intel when Intel couldn't put up decent competition.

Fighting NVidia is a different story. NVidia is almost entirely focused on GPUs (albeit on AI / Datacenter these days, but still close enough to video games to benefit).

Just dropping prices without acknowledging the long-term damage to AMD's brand is a bad idea. You can't just keep dropping prices each time NVidia raises them. If people aren't willing to jump for a nearly equivalent card at -$50 or -$100, then its not worth chasing them to -$150 or -$200.

Especially when NVidia in practice is +$200 in practice due to scalpers. So there's multiple-hundreds of dollars difference between NVidia cards and their equivalent AMD card as it is.

Then what the hell is even AMD's long term game here. That strategy didn't win them any market last gen. So if the game is that they are content to sell to their little niche of fans, then sure. If they are actually telling the truth about wanting to take back marketshare, the market has made it clear that that's not good enough.

 

[medi01]

At 649$ their marketshare will keep shrinking. 549$ is good!

OEMs control market share (and that is how Intel's share is raising), DIY is just 16% of the market.

Also, no way in hell AMD would undercut its own card, the 7900XTX by nearly 50%, when the cheapest 5070Ti that one can get starts at 1200+ Euro.

 

[kerberos_20]

so 9070 xt on par with the 5070ti/7090xtx and the 9070 on par with the 7900xt/3090ti

now if you price them like those cards expect market share going to zero, so you're move AMD. I would say 650 for the xt and 550 for the non xt (probably too much to compete with the 5070 non ti) to have any chance of making any meaningful sales.

Not sure what they were doing as RT performance seems incredibly disappointing, didn't they promised the opposite?

theres no competition, nvidia doesnt have stock, people will grab whats available

 

[TheGeekn°72]

OEMs control market share (and that is how Intel's share is raising), DIY is just 16% of the market.

Also, no way in hell AMD would undercut its own card, the 7900XTX by nearly 50%, when the cheapest 5070Ti that one can get starts at 1200+ Euro.

There is very little stock of the XTX remaining though and I think AMD would prefer to eat the loss on the remaining XTXes than not sell RDNA4

 

[Heiro78]

Nothing equals gameplay but this is a thread about GPUs, you do not buy new GPUs to have better gameplay, you buy them for the graphics, full stop.

I meant visual quality during gameplay versus visuals during CGI. I highly doubt you misunderstood my meaning and instead built a strawman argument

 

[piffdaddy]

That's strange. What's an RT game? I usually like to play games with big boss fights, fast car chases, awesome music during high action scenes, lots of loot, fun puzzles to solve and great storylines. I hate the fact that Nvidia has convinced its customers that GPU features are more important than fun. Why not play fun games over the next three years? Isn't that the point?

I get what you're saying but we've already seen a few games release now where ray tracing isn't an option even at low settings. The metal Gear remake coming out soon also has Ray tracing as a prerequisite so your gpu better be able to handle it because it's fast going to become the norm and not the exception. It's time to finally embrace it because it's what's happening

 

[oddrobert]

so 9070 xt on par with the 5070ti/7090xtx and the 9070 on par with the 7900xt/3090ti

now if you price them like those cards expect market share going to zero, so you're move AMD. I would say 650 for the xt and 550 for the non xt (probably too much to compete with the 5070 non ti) to have any chance of making any meaningful sales.

Not sure what they were doing as RT performance seems incredibly disappointing, didn't they promised the opposite?

I don't know, but 16 GB,50 flops in good price is something what games wish for.
Even better if it's not from greedvidia.

 

[Am*]

I already sold my greedvidia and wait for AMD to deliver, if prices wont come down I will make myself scarce and sell all gaming things i got and move on and read books instead.
Just hate that pc market and N word company especially.
250$ b580 is more like 325Euro over here and it's best value option. I am done with it.
How long it will take for <400GPB to something similar to 7800xt?
I think it will take at least another 6 mounts.
For now for around 400gbp you can get 7700xt 12gb which is okish.
Till end of year, 7800xt performance 16gb hope to be well below 400gbp.

I mean, I already set my budget and now w8 for performance for meat it.
Instead, to fall for upsell craze, time will tell but need to nosider quiting all that crazines.

The best deal on the 7800 XT was September last year. I got mine for £400 brand new with 4 free games (Warhammer Space Marine 2, Unknown 9 Awakening, Avatar and Lies of P). That deal made the 7800 XT cheaper than the 7700 XT after selling the games (£300). Glad I didn't bother waiting for this gen of GPUs before building my rig -- as I don't think this gen will offer anything anywhere near as crazy value for money from Nvidia or AMD.

Keep an eye on eBay -- there are occasionally discount codes that come up on 7800 XTs that bring their price down to £385 or so.

 

[medi01]

Ray tracing as a prerequisite so...because it's fast going to become the norm

7th year into RT gimmick that amazing technology is "fast going to" do something.

 

[Heiro78]

I really wish they still included WoW FPS numbers, but I also understand how hard that would be to get accurate lol. Blizzard need to come up with a benchmarking tool.

If ya can find one you trust, there's plenty of youtubers who do these kinds of specific benchmarks. It would be lovely for TPU but I see this game as niche for benchmarking

 

[lexluthermiester]

So by that chart, the RTRT perf has really very much improved for both price points.

 

[mxthunder]

I agree. The beancounters at AMD I am sure feel like $649 is "good", but I don't think that would be nearly aggressive enough to shake up the market and win back marketshare.

They really need to treat this like Zen - Zen 2 where they were super aggressive in the space to claw back marketshare. It worked.

EDIT: Anyone remember the 4850 and 4870 during the 200-series from Nvidia? $199 and $299 cards respectively smacking down the $649 GTX 280 and $449 GTX 260. The difference between back then and now is people are actually not that happy with Nvidia these days. It's really a prime opportunity to do this again and win back a portion of the market.

Those were good days. I got wrapped up in that excitement and actually jumped ship from Nvidia (GTX260 at the time) to ATi for 4890 > 4890 CF > 5870. Then back to nvidia

 

[Ozzer]

i doubt both cards will be price similar to the GRE, no one would buy the non xt
That makes no sense

...and I was right ahahah