I believe the reason China advances so quickly in so many areas is precisely because of the CCP. As a de-facto dictatorship they can, and do, direct all the necessary resources at a given challenge/task. Just remember how quickly they built those hospitals during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Do I approve of the CCP? No. We can't argue that they get stuff done, though. Not sure a democratic China would be able to pull this off.
Do I approve of *certain* Western "democracies"? Also no. Just to point to an obvious and OT example: ASML is Dutch, yet the US more or less tells it what it can and cannot do with its products.
Finally, yes, I believe China is exaggerating about their progress on EUV lithography, but probably not as much as some here believe. Only time will tell, though.
Wow.
Let me disperse the nonsense of the great leaps forward. They come from a fantastic ability to reproduce. Whether it's breaking contract law to reproduce proprietary tech people brought to them as a leap forward (with the intent to then resell said developments as their own on the open market), or theft. Before anyone says anything stupid, yes all great powers are working on high level theft. The difference is that it's usually theft of military tech, not consumer goods. Anyone in the west who believes otherwise is mistaken. The difference is volume. 5x as many academic papers from the US versus China, despite the huge abundance of western educated post doctorates there. Anyone ever do the math, and ask why? It's because the CCP system does not have a mechanism to nurture development...and they literally have a boom of white papers the second the west releases one white paper on a fundamental subject...
The "they get stuff done" argument is silly. I could list off a bunch of things that China "just got done." My favorite is the huge amount of EVs that will never sell despite being manufactured. They won't sell because they used CRS (cold rolled steel) instead of galvanized, with almost 20% less thickness, which means that by the time somebody frees them from the graveyards they are rotting in, there won't be a chassis anymore. They did save money on galvanized steel, they were profitable on paper because of insane government grants, and the are seeing 50% value losses or more the second the brand sticker is applied to them. The push for EV dominance was a CCP thing...and it's now an anti-dumping thing for the world, along with a list of dead companies a mile long.
ASML is the manufacturer of the lithography machines. They use tech developed in the US. That is why the US can exert any control. It's amazing that people who believe they know anything about an issue can just wave their arms and claim that the US is the bad guys...when it wouldn't exist if it wasn't researched there.
I do not screw with you when I say CCTV ran a video piece claiming that a man could hand fabricate 5nm chips.
Youtube video Let's explore that for a moment. 5nm chips fabricated from a technician, by hand, using top notch grinding technology. He can grind a chip at CASIC, and produce 5 nm chips. I'll let that sink in for a moment. Not lithography and doping, grinding a chip out. I'll also suggest that Elon Musk has a white paper for his special new supercomputer (said sarcastically, as this is from 2021).
White Paper - Dojo Note that he's currently on the hunt for OpenAI because his "we'll have self driving cars" promise is vaporware, and he thinks that somehow the next thing will fix his death traps. If it isn't clear, I'm not western or Chinese "shill." That's a stupid thing to say, but people confuse pride in systems with being paid now...so there's that. That said, I'll shill only for people who are competent and don't have years of lies in their corner. Tesla and the CCP, in that regard, are perfect bedfellows. They can whisper lies to each other all night, as their houses built atop quicksand sink into the muck they helped create.
I asc for facts and where is facts from you? I see zero. I will help you. Apple have patent for rounded corners of the phone. Huh.
You start out by saying "official sources lie." This is what we call a non-good faith actor. You've telegraphed that I can link to a dozen reputable sites, including Boeing themselves, and you won't take that as a fact. This means engaging with you is stupid, because literally nothing will be good enough.
Boeing confirms they got hacked
12 hackers charged in US court...from China
Unsealed indictment of Chinese hacker
More Chinese hackers
That was a 20 second google search. If your claim is then followed with "but of course the US is gonna charge them with hacking, and that's not fair to accept their word" then this whole thing is not a discussion. It's someone ignorant trying to either brute force a point that only exists without paying attention to the facts, or a bad faith actor trying real hard to make the other side look bad...because they have nothing that actually supports their point beyond their own ignorance.
Bonus points, the other side should be considered as accurate. Hacking and data theft do exist...because that's the tit-for-tat of government. As such, the pro CCP article should also be considered...if only for the academic value it has:
South China Morning Post - US hackers
