12Gb GPUs already obsolete, brand new game takes up to 18Gb Vram at 1440p

[oxrufiioxo]

The one thing I find interesting and maybe this was mentioned before is 2 other semi recent UE4 games behave similar to this one. The Calisto Protocol and Hogwarts Legacy. Hopefully this isn't a precursor to how UE5 games will behave I guess we will get our first taste with Immortals of Aveum.

 

[N/A]

Once your character passes by a certain area in the game and is never intended going or looking back, the textures associated with it must be flushed from the memory and problem solved. To keep only what's necessary and visible.

 

[Gica]

They will return with their feet on the ground when they see the revenues and how their fans migrate to other, much better optimized titles.

Related to HU (3070 vs 6800 in 2023) and the skeletons in the closet to put AMD in a better light (because it's clear that they can't beat nVidia even with the 7000 series), I tested The Last of Us in 1080p. Disaster! Exactly what HU shows. But, I changed Ultra -> High and did not drop below 100 FPS. According to the reviews of this game, the RX 6800 has an average of 70 fps and probably low goes towards 40 fps, I ask like a fool if the Ultra with 70 fps average is better than High with 100+ minimum fps? I haven't tested with DLSS which is superior to FSR in this game, agree with the same reviews.
What are we talking about? When the market for video cards with 8GB or less represents over 80%, how idiotic would it be to remove them with shitty optimizations?

 

[Bomby569]

They will return with their feet on the ground when they see the revenues and how their fans migrate to other, much better optimized titles.

Related to HU (3070 vs 6800 in 2023) and the skeletons in the closet to put AMD in a better light (because it's clear that they can't beat nVidia even with the 7000 series), I tested The Last of Us in 1080p. Disaster! Exactly what HU shows. But, I changed Ultra -> High and did not drop below 100 FPS. According to the reviews of this game, the RX 6800 has an average of 70 fps and probably low goes towards 40 fps, I ask like a fool if the Ultra with 70 fps average is better than High with 100+ minimum fps? I haven't tested with DLSS which is superior to FSR in this game, agree with the same reviews.
What are we talking about? When the market for video cards with 8GB or less represents over 80%, how idiotic would it be to remove them with shitty optimizations?

So it was just clickbait drama. Who would have guessed it.
What about 1440p?

 

[Gica]

Perfect!
Fantastic igp experience for video cards that cost close to $1000.

 

[Bomby569]

Perfect!
Fantastic igp experience for video cards that cost close to $1000.

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That's max settings, no one needs, or gets any benefit, from max settings. That could be a exercise done with every card in the past.
I would say there is no real purpose from benchmarking at max settings, but it does help sell more, make more e-waste, and a planed obsolescence agenda. I don't get it.

 

[nguyen]

That's max settings, no one needs, or gets any benefit, from max settings. That could be a exercise done with every card in the past.
I would say there is no real purpose from benchmarking at max settings, but it does help sell more, make more e-waste, and a planed obsolescence agenda. I don't get it.

It's only fair to benchmark at max settings, any setting below that is considered cherry picking.

For example if you want to make all next gen GPUs to look bad, just benchmark at Low settings where every GPU is hitting the same CPU bottleneck

HUB (or rather Steve) has been using cherry picked settings to make his points

 

[Dirt Chip]

That's max settings, no one needs, or gets any benefit, from max settings. That could be a exercise done with every card in the past.
I would say there is no real purpose from benchmarking at max settings, but it does help sell more, make more e-waste, and a planed obsolescence agenda. I don't get it.

You must benchmark at max settings but the opposite upon day to day gaming.
What is very misleading to draw conclusion from is benchmark on broken games. Wait 2 month to patch up and than draw conclusion.
Shame is, many do so and the than the crawd go bananas

 

[Bomby569]

It's only fair to benchmark at max settings, any setting below that is considered cherry picking.

For example if you want to make all next gen GPUs to look bad, just benchmark at Low settings where every GPU is hitting the same CPU bottleneck

HUB (or rather Steve) has been using cherry picked settings to make his points

extremes are hardly ever the best option, this is no exception

1. The vast majority doesn't game at either low or max settings
2. This removes a lot of gpu's from that list, gpu's that can still perfectly game at medium settings, and someone not so tech savvy may think the only way to game is to upgrade
3. The truth is that most publications need clicks and views, it's best to get people coming for the new shinning thing. If people are happy with what they have they are less likely to click
4. So let's make new gpus look good, and what about old gpu's? or is there an agenda here?
5. E-waste is a real problem

 

[nguyen]

extremes are hardly ever the best option, this is no exception

1. The vast majority doesn't game at either low or max settings
2. This removes a lot of gpu's from that list, gpu's that can still perfectly game at medium settings, and someone not so tech savvy may think the only way to game is to upgrade
3. The truth is that most publications need clicks and views, it's best to get people coming for the new shinning thing. If people are happy with what they have they are less likely to click
4. So let's make new gpus look good, and what about old gpu's? or is there an agenda here?
5. E-waste is a real problem

Normal people don't usually read reviews about something they don't care anyways, only when they want to buy something new that they read the reviews.

Heck I don't even read most of TPU reviews (sorry w1zzard :/)

 

[Bomby569]

Normal people don't usually read reviews about something they don't care anyways, only when they want to buy something new that they read the reviews.

Heck I don't even read most of TPU reviews (sorry w1zzard :/)

It's a game review, i don't really understand your point. Someone that wants to buy the game will read the review, or just curious about it. That may lead to tech purchase decisions, that's why it's there.
Someone that doesn't care about the game will not read but what does that have to do with the point i was making? If it was FIFA i wouldn't even clicked on it by mistake.

It's a game review it should not be meant to make new gpu's look good, by your own words. Or is it a nvidia/amd sponsored review of a game?

 

[freeagent]

1 step down from max is ok with me

My TV isn't that great.. and 60Hz

 

[nguyen]

It's a game review, i don't really understand your point. Someone that wants to buy the game will read the review, or just curious about it. That may lead to tech purchase decisions, that's why it's there.
Someone that doesn't care about the game will not read but what does that have to do with the point i was making? If it was FIFA i wouldn't even clicked on it by mistake.

Well you read the game review and find out that it's trash even on expensive GPUs, just ignore that game I guess?

 

[Bomby569]

Well you read the game review and find out that it's trash even on expensive GPUs, just ignore that game I guess?

i added a bit later and i guess you missed it.

It's a game review it should not be meant to make new gpu's look good, by your own words. Or is it a nvidia/amd sponsored review of a game?

my point is a game review should not be focused on new gpus, or make them look good. Are poor people not meant to know how they can play the game? Seems a bit elitist.

 

[nguyen]

i added a bit later and i guess you missed it.

It's a game review it should not be meant to make new gpu's look good, by your own words. Or is it a nvidia/amd sponsored review of a game?

my point is a game review should not be focused on new gpus, or make them look good. Are poor people not meant to know how they can play the game? Seems a bit elitist.

Yeah these new games are like 70usd, IMO better get good PC first so you can enjoy the heck outta those 70usd.

 

[Bomby569]

Yeah these new games are like 70usd, IMO better get good PC first so you can enjoy the heck outta those 70usd.

Look at steam surveys, there will be more people playing TLoU on gtx 1060 than in RTX 4090's.
Settings go as low as they need to, but that never stopped no one from gaming on PC.

I was talking to someone in the internet that had a gt550m, that was the gpu my 2011 laptop had, and he's still using it today to game.

 

[JAB Creations]

The game is coded like poo and FSR/DLSS are things anyone can use.

Yes, please be the knob that says, "Hey developers: please don't optimize for shit and just rely on FSR/DLSS!"

Because there aren't already enough idiots in the world.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Yes, please be the knob that says, "Hey developers: please don't optimize for shit and just rely on FSR/DLSS!"

Because there aren't already enough idiots in the world.

I don't follow what you're saying here in the context of the post you quoted.

 

[Toothless]

Yes, please be the knob that says, "Hey developers: please don't optimize for shit and just rely on FSR/DLSS!"

Because there aren't already enough idiots in the world.

I'm all for devs to not make shitty optimized games. I'm just saying FSR/DLSS is one way to make the games playable. Boycott with your wallet and don't support games that run like junk.

 

[64K]

Look at steam surveys, there will be more people playing TLoU on gtx 1060 than in RTX 4090's.

Indeed. According to the Survey there are 40 times more gamers using a 1060 over a 4090.

Looking at the top ten desktop GPUs being used for gaming, 3060, 2060, 1060, 3070, 360 Ti, 1650, 1050 Ti, 3080, 1660, 1550 Super these account for a total of about 48% of GPUs being used for gaming altogether which is 192 times more gamers using these GPUs over a 4090. You can continue on down the list and eventually it becomes crystal clear that the vast majority of gamers are using Entry Level through Mid Range GPUs to game with in terms of comparable performance to the 3xxxx and 4xxxx series.

High End GPUs are being used by very, very few gamers.

 

[Outback Bronze]

Indeed. According to the Survey there are 40 times more gamers using a 1060 over a 4090.

Looking at the top ten desktop GPUs being used for gaming, 3060, 2060, 1060, 3070, 360 Ti, 1650, 1050 Ti, 3080, 1660, 1550 Super these account for a total of about 48% of GPUs being used for gaming altogether which is 192 times more gamers using these GPUs over a 4090. You can continue on down the list and eventually it becomes crystal clear that the vast majority of gamers are using Entry Level through Mid Range GPUs to game with in terms of comparable performance to the 3xxxx and 4xxxx series.

High End GPUs are being used by very, very few gamers.

Not even one Radeon in the top ten

You'd think at least a 6600xt could slip in there. It performs better than half those cards at a good value.

Must be drivers or specific game titles people use Nvidia??

Shame really.

 

[64K]

Not even one Radeon in the top ten

You'd think at least a 6600xt could slip in there. It performs better than half those cards at a good value.

Must be drivers or specific game titles people use Nvidia??

Shame really.

No Radeon dGPU in the top 21. The RX 580 comes in at #22.
The RX 6600 XT comes in at #40 with 1/3 of 1% adoption.

There's a lot of bias against AMD GPUs in the gaming world.

 

[nguyen]

Must be drivers or specific game titles people use Nvidia??

Shame really.

Yes, the overwhelming majority of Steam gamers play online DX11 games (DOTA2, CSGO, PUBG, Apex Legends, etc...).

Steam Charts

Top selling and top played games across Steam

store.steampowered.com

 

[Gica]

Yes, the overwhelming majority of Steam gamers play online DX11 games (DOTA2, CSGO, PUBG, Apex Legends, etc...).

Steam Charts

Top selling and top played games across Steam

store.steampowered.com

Everyone plays what they like. If most players are satisfied with even 4GB of vRAM, you should follow the trend and optimize your games. If you don't, it's like trying to sell expensive pork to Muslims.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Guess how much VRAM the next two generations of graphics cards will have in roughly 2024 and 2026, respectively, when GDDR7 is introduced with memory chips that will likely have 2X(2024) and 4X(2026) more volume per chip compared to GDDR6/X