A Closer Look at NVIDIA's Cinder Block Sized Air Cooler for RTX 4090 Ti—22 Heatpipes

[Leavenfish]

How is this possibly better than a single slot water block.

Air is always more logical than water in with a bunch of expensive equipment...that's how.

 

[claes]

I don’t see 22 heatpipes pics or I am telling on you

 

[Icon Charlie]

Rad fans fail just the same, so I don't see how even that case is valid.
Both can be made user replacable too, we've seen Gainward coolers with replacable fans.

There is no question whatsoever air is more fool proof, its not even a debate lol

I agree with this comment. I also refuse to work on water cooling rigs now. It's a damn mess and the clean up is just awful. If you keep a regular maintenance to your rig, you can make your components last a long time.

Unfortunately, most people do not take care of their rigs as much as they should.

 

[Deleted member 177333]

How is this possibly better than a single slot water block.

Boy you said it. I haven't run an air cooled video card or CPU in like a decade or more and every release makes me glad I switched to water way back when and haven't looked back. When you buy high end video cards today, there should be a drop-down on the store site to select which cooler between air or a full-cover WB. At this point, it makes me wonder if a waterblock wouldn't be cheaper to manufacture considering it may be less overall material than that in an air cooler the size of the one shown in this article and saves cost on fans as well.

 

[N/A]

At this point, it makes me wonder if a waterblock wouldn't be cheaper to manufacture considering it may be less overall material than that in an air cooler the size of the one shown in this article and saves cost on fans as well.

At this point they give you only a small discount in the case of inno and gigabyte or none at all compared to what you get if you buy the full cover separately. But hey you avoid the risk of doing this part wrong.

 

[Jism]

How is this possibly better than a single slot water block.

In testing phase, you obviously want something working and not with watercooling.

Such boards are just to validate, set clocks etc and determine best power / performance ratio, as it was or is capped at 450W.

 

[Mussels]

How is this possibly better than a single slot water block.

I miss GPU's having standardised screwholes so a cooler would fit an entire series, instead of every GPU having its own custom layout for some goddamned reason.

Imagine if AMD had GPU's with a heatsink that covered the GPU, VRM's and VRAM with a flat plate that fit any AM4/AM5 cooler with screw holes, and they just gave out recommendations on what to use and a few big warnings that it required a cooler (or 3rd party cards could obviously include their own branded one, that suddenly was user replaceable)

You'd suddenly get 300 aftermarket air coolers with that standard size, and since the VRM's and VRAM were cooled by simple old metal, that part would never need replacing - just the modular fan/AIO part.

(And then people would go slap noctua air coolers on them, because hell yeah)

 

[Ferrum Master]

I miss GPU's having standardised screwholes so a cooler would fit an entire series, instead of every GPU having its own custom layout for some goddamned reason.

There is no absolute reason for not doing it.

The most sad story is actually we only generate e-waste by doing like that with each generation. Bloody corporate mind does not get the idea that we are screwing up hard our environment and do not properly reuse our resources.

There is no regulator that can force something about it either way.

 

[Vayra86]

There is no absolute reason for not doing it.

The most sad story is actually we only generate e-waste by doing like that with each generation. Bloody corporate mind does not get the idea that we are screwing up hard our environment and do not properly reuse our resources.

There is no regulator that can force something about it either way.

Bloody consumers keep buying, too.

I agree with the principle just the same but do I want the hassle... no.
It should be dealt with through regulation and standardization. But this is a niche luxury item really

 

[R0H1T]

There is no regulator that can force something about it either way.

They can but then who would grease their palms? I mean how do you explain Apple charging ~100 to 200 USD for 256GB upgrade & if course everything's soldered

Bloody consumers keep buying, too.

Tada ~ you don't have 3 trillion dollar Megacorps without brain dead zealots following them! Of course not all of them are but I'd argue the majority would be

 

[Vayra86]

They can but then who would grease their palms? I mean how do you explain Apple charging ~100 to 200 USD for 256GB upgrade & if course everything's soldered


Tada ~ you don't have 3 trillion dollar Megacorps without brain dead zealots following them! Of course not all of them are but I'd argue the majority would be

Exactly. Nvidia also acts like they want to be the Apple of GPUs, a full service provider etc. They shifted the importance of their FE's exactly because of it as the first move (Pascal). It went downhill stupid fast after that: the demise of SLI/mGPU, the entry of RT, the skyrocketing of pricing and then the cutting down of the die while maintaining the price.

Nvidia market share even in discrete gaming is higher than it's ever been. Go figure

 

[Ferrum Master]

Exactly. Nvidia also acts like they want to be the Apple of GPUs, a full service provider etc. They shifted the importance of their FE's exactly because of it as the first move (Pascal). It went downhill stupid fast after that: the demise of SLI/mGPU, the entry of RT, the skyrocketing of pricing and then the cutting down of the die while maintaining the price.

Nvidia market share even in discrete gaming is higher than it's ever been. Go figure

There is a thing about Apple, that rarely emerges as an argument. They offer trade in for their products, to get a discount and then the product gets properly recycled.

 

[Vayra86]

There is a thing about Apple, that rarely emerges as an argument. They offer trade in for their products, to get a discount and then the product gets properly recycled.

Where is Nvidia's program...

 

[Ferrum Master]

Where is Nvidia's program...

Good question, for example Samsung trades in any phone maker devices, just the discount is different.

PC consumer products should be treated the same way actually... but it happens rarely. Just e-waste.

 

[Assimilator]

Where is Nvidia's program...

100%, I believe that every manufacturer should be required to offer trade-in/trade-up programs for older hardware. Apart from being good economic and environmental sense, it helps to build brand loyalty and ensure consumers stick to that specific manufacturer, thus it makes sense for them too in the long term. Really surprised that companies other than Apple haven't cottoned onto this.

 

[R0H1T]

Trade in or buy in still doesn't address the real problem, ok no one does expandable RAM for phones/tablets & expandable storage is getting rarer still, but as far as Macs or MacBooks are concerned there's literally zero effin ways to justify non expandable RAM & storage! Yes I get that they're going with LPDDR5x but there's also massive obsolescence baked into these products, if you can't see the obvious that's on you

As for other manufacturers, well pretty much every major (r)etailer offers exchange programs here & relatively good prices, so no Apple's not special in that sense!

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[zlobby]

I'll just leave this here.

 

[R0H1T]

Which is? The image's blocked.

 

[zlobby]

Which is? The image's blocked.

Sorry.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Trade in or buy in still doesn't address the real problem, ok no one does expandable RAM for phones/tablets & expandable storage is getting rarer still, but as far as Macs or MacBooks are concerned there's literally zero effin ways to justify non expandable RAM & storage! Yes I get that they're going with LPDDR5x but there's also massive obsolescence baked into these products, if you can't see the obvious that's on you

As for other manufacturers, well pretty much every major (r)etailer offers exchange programs here & relatively good prices, so no Apple's not special in that sense!

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That's a different case. My company as a carrier also offers it. But it is another venture to get money from precious materials, we sort and sell them afterwards. It ain't manufacturer initiative, but a sellers one. Samsung and Apple do offer compensations from their own pockets, there is even fun competition. If you turn in an apple for a new Samsung you get a higher discount. Another area where the consumer can win.

 

[R0H1T]

Do they really get that much just from precious materials? I'm getting up to 30k rupees for an 7 years old i5 laptop, which is up to 30-40% of some new models with RTX 4xxx then for new phones the Galaxy S21 FE fetches up to 30-50% of the MRP. That sounds way too high if you're talking about only recycling, the retailers of course also sell a lot of them as renewed/used probably at higher prices.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Do they really get that much just from precious materials? I'm getting up to 30k rupees for an 7 years old i5 laptop, which is up to 30-40% of some new models with RTX 4xxx then for new phones the Galaxy S21 FE fetches up to 30-50% of the MRP. That sounds way too high if you're talking about only recycling, the retailers of course also sell a lot of them as renewed/used probably at higher prices.

For example you can get paid 2-10€ for a cracked screen from a phone/tablet. So you can wrap your head around it.

But nevertheless the main point it does not get into landfill. Recycling that way is expensive in EU and should be banned, so you will have to pay, not vice versa.

But the idea remains, it would be great if you could trade in your old geforce for a radeon card and get a discount. It would be just normal...

 

[zlobby]

Do they really get that much just from precious materials? I'm getting up to 30k rupees for an 7 years old i5 laptop, which is up to 30-40% of some new models with RTX 4xxx then for new phones the Galaxy S21 FE fetches up to 30-50% of the MRP. That sounds way too high if you're talking about only recycling, the retailers of course also sell a lot of them as renewed/used probably at higher prices.

Wait!

 

[R0H1T]

That's only for laptops/phones/tablets/ceiling fans/TV/refrigerator/washing machines etc. The fans actually have the best resale value wrt the item we're exchanging them for

 

[Vayra86]

Trade in or buy in still doesn't address the real problem, ok no one does expandable RAM for phones/tablets & expandable storage is getting rarer still, but as far as Macs or MacBooks are concerned there's literally zero effin ways to justify non expandable RAM & storage! Yes I get that they're going with LPDDR5x but there's also massive obsolescence baked into these products, if you can't see the obvious that's on you

As for other manufacturers, well pretty much every major (r)etailer offers exchange programs here & relatively good prices, so no Apple's not special in that sense!

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Still sounds an awful lot like Nvidia's game to me