A mined 2080TI for 2 months,or an old card 1080ti used for constant gaming?

[Arco]

i already said before in 2 pages why for the moment i want to change red camp,because red camp always have tend to abandon suport drivers for their card soon or later.AMD services drivers for their card are max. 5 years....Nvidia drivers services are 8+ or even 9 years support drivers services for their product.GTX 980Ti still have driver in 2023...figure it !!And 980Ti is the same generation like my R9 Fury x-- 2015 year.
For me is enough to beg on AMD forum to make an new driver for my R9 Fury X.
1 year ago,i go on AMD forum and i beg for a new driver for my R9 Fury X.....and it worked ,my GOD listen my pray, and they release last driver in 2021 just because i beg them....but for me is enough.Until to beg them to release a new driver for my R9 Fury x in 2021,their last driver was 2019....so figure it

it's my post:

Re: Why a good decent card is abandoned??

It's currently a 300 page thread, i would try them if i still had a legacy card.

community.amd.com

Not to mention AMD abandon drivers totally for win 8.1 pro x64 for EXAMPLE...Nvidia still have drivers for win 8.1 windows even if it is a dead windows already.
For years, AMD will have bad support drivers for their product don't know why.When Catalyst make drivers for AMD it was fine...when Crimson appeared it was a disaster for their line up of gpu card....

They have good and powerfull card,nothing to say.....but their support drivers always have problems...BUT ALWAYS !!!!

The 2080 TI is a much older card, I'd say the 2080 TI might have enough updates to last a bit longer but would run out of GPU power.

Warranty is half the battle. This card could have been anywhere. Please inspect everything and make sure it is a product that meets your expectations.

 

[El-Presidente]

Well yeah just be aware that 5 of the 8 years of Turing's driver support are already spent. It is very likely they will be discontinued within the next four.

If gtx 980Ti card still have support driver in 2023,I hard to believe they will be discontinued within the next four years services for 2080TI...it's impossible. I'm sure RTX 2000 series will have support drivers for at least 4or even 5 years from now ...i'm 100% sure !!

 

[Dr. Dro]

If gtx 980Ti card still have support driver in 2023,I hard to believe they will be discontinued within the next four years services for 2080TI...it's impossible. I'm sure RTX 2000 series will have support drivers for at least 4or even 5 years from now ...i'm 100% sure !!

2015 - 2023 = 8 years.

Maxwell will likely be retired within the next few months, possibly in the next driver branch. Once you see its support removed, it's an indication that internally, Nvidia's already working on the RTX 50 series' driver code base with a high level of priority.

 

[El-Presidente]

2015 - 2023 = 8 years.

Maxwell will likely be

will likely be,will ,will...it;s only rumors and assumptions.....
I bet in 2024,gtx 980Ti will still have latest drivers,don't know why but i;m sure 80%.We bet that in 2024, gtx 980Ti will have latest drivers??We talk next year,you will see that I am right
I'm sure 100% RTX 2000 series, even Pascal 1000 series will not be abandoned very soon.... at least 4-5 years of service for both...

 

[Dr. Dro]

will likely be,will ,will...it;s only rumors and assumptions.....
I bet in 2024,gtx 980Ti will have latest drivers,don't know why but i;m sure 80%

That doesn't matter as it's a functionally obsolete GPU at this point. It hasn't received targeted fixes or features in a considerable while.

You seem dead set on this idea, so by all means, if you are willingly disregarding the advice of those who are wiser and more experienced than you, go ahead.

Buying an used graphics card two generations out of date with no room for warranty replacement or upgrade in the foreseeable future, claiming you'll be broke for years after this one would be at the very bottom of my priority list of I were you. You may just come to regret the foolish decision you made.

Like P4-630, I hope you are fortunate enough for that not to be the case. Good luck.

 

[El-Presidente]

Buying an used graphics card two generations out of date

Like P4-630, I hope you are fortunate enough for that not to be the case. Good luck.

not all people have money for new card with warranty,and here in my country,listed prices for vga card are very high for rtx 3000 and 4000 series even for Rx 6000 series for AMD.Here in my country an MSI RTX 3070 for example is 450 or even 500 $.For me is way too much .I found thismsi rtx 2080Ti with 250-300 $.For me is way too much even 200-300$ for an vga card.I don't want to invest more than 250-300$ in a vga card,and that 2080ti for me is balanced card-power -price.Even if i want better gpu card,i don't have CPU for that,my cpu is old too...it make no sense to invest in a powerfull gpu card.Even if i buy newest generation gpu card i will encounter bottleneck from CPu processor....2080 is enough for my oldest CPU generation

p.s.And even if u are friends with P4-630,you don't have to become his lawyer.....take it as an advice!

 

[Dr. Dro]

It's not a matter of defending or being friends with them, it's a matter of giving you sound, sensible advice that I would take myself. You don't have any guarantees that this card was treated well during its service life and you expect the longevity one would look for in a new product.

A 2080 Ti sold for 300 is very likely mining surplus. No one would sell one so cheap. But as you wish, mate. The wish that you get a great deal is sincere, not ironic.

 

[El-Presidente]

It's not a matter of defending or being friends with them, it's a matter of giving you sound, sensible advice that I would take myself. You don't have any guarantees that this card was treated well during its service life and you expect the longevity one would look for in a new product.

A 2080 Ti sold for 300 is very likely mining surplus. No one would sell one so cheap. But as you wish, mate. The wish that you get a great deal is sincere, not ironic.

Even if i buy newest generation of gpu card ,i will encounter bottleneck from CPu processor....2080 is enough for my oldest CPU generation.Now i hope u understand my judgement

 

[Bomby569]

Just let the man enjoy his new card (new to him), this is not life changing options, the worst it can happen is he learns a lesson that cost him a few hundred dollars.

 

[El-Presidente]

Just let the man enjoy his new card (new to him), this is not life changing options, the worst it can happen is he learns a lesson that cost him a few hundred dollars.

i hope that card MSI with Samsung gddr 6 memory is a solid product .I just hope,that's why i chooose MSi because i know is a reputable company at gpu segment card.They and ASUS strix with EVGA, they are the best form the market....
I trust in Samsung company at memory segment...they are the best
I never had MSi card in my entire life,i heard they are very good,but if my card dies i will never buy MSI again....C'est la vie !!I hope GOD love me to not encounter Space invaders artifact and another hidden problems,i just HOPE

 

[Arco]

i hope that card MSI with Samsung gddr 6 memory is a solid product .I just hope,that's why i chooose MSi because i know is a reputable company at gpu segment card.They and ASUS strix with EVGA, they are the best form the market....
I trust in Samsung company at memory segment...they are the best

There is no warranty, If the card was mined on you have no idea how long or hard they did it. Again, make sure the card is stable and is to your liking. (Get a return if it isn't.)

The used GPU market is a crapshoot at this point. I trust Aircoolers, RAM, CPUs, MBs, and sometimes storage drives on the used market but not much else.

 

[El-Presidente]

A 2080 Ti sold for 300 is very likely mining surplus. No one would sell one so cheap. But as you wish, mate. The wish that you get a great deal is sincere, not ironic.

thank you so much,and i hope GOD hear you

There is no warranty, If the card was mined on you have no idea how long or hard they did it. Again, make sure the card is stable and is to your liking. (Get a return if it isn't.)

The used GPU market is a crapshoot at this point. I trust Aircoolers, RAM, CPUs, MBs, and sometimes storage drives on the used market but not much else.

i will test the card my self before i buy it with program like: Heaven Unigine,3dMARK and Furmark .The sellers will let me to test card before i buy.I discuss with him before
During Furmark test if i see Space invaders artifact,or black screen,or any weird sign, i will not buy the card...it's simple

 

[Bomby569]

i hope that card MSI with Samsung gddr 6 memory is a solid product .I just hope,that's why i chooose MSi because i know is a reputable company at gpu segment card.They and ASUS strix with EVGA, they are the best form the market....
I trust in Samsung company at memory segment...they are the best
I never had MSi card in my entire life,i heard they are very good,but if my card dies i will never buy MSI again....C'est la vie !!I hope GOD love me to not encounter Space invaders artifact and another hidden problems,i just HOPE

i had MSI cards in the past, if you stay away from the cheaper models like the ventus they are great cards in general. Gaming X and stuff like that.

 

[N/A]

You hope and you wish a happily ever after story, but potential second wave mining cards are on their space invading bed, even tech yes city advised against it. My guinea pig GTX 760 still gets driver updates on the same branch and works just fine, who cares about optimisations, features and security updates anyway. But i wouldn't get 2080 considering GTX 4060 could get a price cut or a Super pretty soon at this very same price of 299 that is the 4060 non Turbo. i would even pick the 4060 vanilla that can be undervolted to 75 watts. that's $50 in electrical bill saved per year. Recenly i refused a 3080 Ti barely used for 499, because it's 400 watts considering 4070 at 599 is 200 watts. you aren't saving anything, just getting too little paying too much and risking it all for making the seller extremely happy flipping a lemon. Don't be that lemon.

 

[El-Presidente]

i had MSI cards in the past, if you stay away from the cheaper models like the ventus they are great cards in general. Gaming X and stuff like that.

this is card i wanted to buy.Is not cheaper ventus version.is ok?
Production is still: Active

MSI RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO Specs

NVIDIA TU102, 1755 MHz, 4352 Cores, 272 TMUs, 88 ROPs, 11264 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 352 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Bomby569]

this is card i wanted to buy.Is not cheaper ventus version.is ok?
Production is still: Active

MSI RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO Specs

NVIDIA TU102, 1755 MHz, 4352 Cores, 272 TMUs, 88 ROPs, 11264 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 352 bit

www.techpowerup.com

I don't know if that specific model had any issue, you can try and google that, but generally speacking it is a good card, one of their top models

 

[phill]

I've been running mined with cards for years, I've not had any issues with mine but as I was mining on those cards, I've looked after them and made sure the temps and everything about them, were as cool as possible.

I have to say though, if you can afford a new card, buy new. I can't understand why you'd buy an older card unless either price was too good to miss or that you where given it or you have limits on what you'd wish to spend. Newer card gives you that peace of mind, all the efficiencies and the updated hardware. I'd personally go for a new a card as possible.

 

[Vayra86]

i hope that card MSI with Samsung gddr 6 memory is a solid product .I just hope,that's why i chooose MSi because i know is a reputable company at gpu segment card.They and ASUS strix with EVGA, they are the best form the market....
I trust in Samsung company at memory segment...they are the best
I never had MSi card in my entire life,i heard they are very good,but if my card dies i will never buy MSI again....C'est la vie !!I hope GOD love me to not encounter Space invaders artifact and another hidden problems,i just HOPE

Seriously man buy a midrange 6000 series for that money, new with warranty.

High end GPU is risky when they have age on them; high TDP is more prone to failure in a general sense. You are also barely winning a sliver of perf here by buying into older hardware, but you do introduce lots of risk of early failure.

Get a 6700 or something like most ppl do

Also you trust Samsung for their VRAM? It was Samsung that delivered bad RAM in the past. Your whole line of reasoning is just weird. If you want that 2080ti by all means jump. But then this topic was pointless since page 1...

 

[lexluthermiester]

I've noticed a pattern that you don't like being told no or any criticism towards your intent

To be fair people keep giving him nonsense and expecting him to accept it on tick. I'd be getting irritated too and I would not be so patient and diplomatic about it.

Well yeah just be aware that 5 of the 8 years of Turing's driver support are already spent. It is very likely they will be discontinued within the next four.

And that is 4 more years of good use they will get with full support from NVidia. But remember, drivers are not like most other forms of software, as long as they are stable they stay useful for a very long time.

I can't understand why you'd buy an older card

Perhaps that is because you do not know their situation in life. Why they want to buy something is not our concern here and as forum members it is not our place to judge. The 2080ti is a top-tier GPU for it's generation and for the money currently being asked for it on the used market, it's a great value.

this is card i wanted to buy.Is not cheaper ventus version.is ok?
Production is still: Active

MSI RTX 2080 Ti GAMING X TRIO Specs

NVIDIA TU102, 1755 MHz, 4352 Cores, 272 TMUs, 88 ROPs, 11264 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 352 bit

www.techpowerup.com

If that is the one you're going for, it's a good card. The cooling is excellent and as long as it still has it's original VBIOS, the default MSI settings allow for great performance without pushing things too far.

 

[Eskimonster]

I would not touch the 1080TI for that money.

 

[Sithaer]

To be fair people keep giving him nonsense and expecting him to accept it on tick. I'd be getting irritated too and I would not be so patient and diplomatic about it.


And that is 4 more years of good use they will get with full support from NVidia. But remember, drivers are not like most other forms of software, as long as they are stable they stay useful for a very long time.


Perhaps that is because you do not know their situation in life. Why they want to buy something is not our concern here and as forum members it is not our place to judge. The 2080ti is a top-tier GPU for it's generation and for the money currently being asked for it on the used market, it's a great value.


If that is the one you're going for, it's a good card. The cooling is excellent and as long as it still has it's original VBIOS, the default MSI settings allow for great performance without pushing things too far.

So much this, and also the reason why I never ask for GPU buying advice on the forums cause then this is what happens most likely.
We all have our life/financial and whatever situations and that does not need/have to be further explained or being told to deal with it in a different way. 'might not even possible for the OP'

OP has stated multiple times that hes not interested in buying a brand new card cause of his reasons, yet hes still being told to just go buy new cause used cards are shit/risky. 'again thats not necessary the experience for everyone nor makes it right or wrong by default'
If I was told the same over and over I would get annoyed too since I'm also a second hand GPU user for a long time now and I've never had issues with them so I don't need to be told any of that stuff.

 

[Dr. Dro]

OP has stated multiple times that hes not interested in buying a brand new card cause of his reasons, yet hes still being told to just go buy new cause used cards are shit/risky. 'again thats not necessary the experience for everyone nor makes it right or wrong by default'
If I was told the same over and over I would get annoyed too since I'm also a second hand GPU user for a long time now and I've never had issues with them so I don't need to be told any of that stuff.

At the same time, they have stated that they have financial difficulties and that reliability was a high priority for them as they cannot afford a replacement in the near future in case things go wrong.

With that in mind, I find that it's good judgment to advise against purchasing an older card that has been used for cryptocurrency mining wholesale. By buying an used product that carries no manufacturer warranty due to its age, you are running a risk, it might work now, it might work forever... but it may also die in 2 to 3 months for now and you will not have anyone to complain to, seller will tell you to go pound sand and manufacturers will not service a 6 year old second hand graphics card, so there's that.

I've purchased plenty of second hand graphics cards myself and always had great luck with them, but that was before crypto.

 

[lexluthermiester]

With that in mind, I find that it's good judgment to advise against purchasing an older card that has been used for cryptocurrency mining wholesale.

I disagree. And as I own a PC shop and frequently buy/sell used equipment that has been used for mining and have had VERY few problems, I am in a position to offer input based on real world experience and not hear-say nonsense.

Cards that have been used for mining are generally perfectly acceptable as a purchasing opinion. Why? Simple: Miners want to make the most of their investment so as such they are going to take care to keep their equipment cool and clean. We rarely see equipment used for mining that has NOT been well cared for.

I've purchased plenty of second hand graphics cards myself and always had great luck with them, but that was before crypto.

Nothing has changed. The paranoia floating around about mining cards is just that, tin-hat wearing nonsense and is completely meritless(at least in my area of the world). The rules for buying used equipment is as they always have been, buy from someone who has a good reputation(or at least not a bad one), make sure there is a return policy and make sure the pictures showing the part in question are detailed and show every angle.

 

[Sithaer]

At the same time, they have stated that they have financial difficulties and that reliability was a high priority for them as they cannot afford a replacement in the near future in case things go wrong.

With that in mind, I find that it's good judgment to advise against purchasing an older card that has been used for cryptocurrency mining wholesale. By buying an used product that carries no manufacturer warranty due to its age, you are running a risk, it might work now, it might work forever... but it may also die in 2 to 3 months for now and you will not have anyone to complain to, seller will tell you to go pound sand and manufacturers will not service a 6 year old second hand graphics card, so there's that.

I've purchased plenty of second hand graphics cards myself and always had great luck with them, but that was before crypto.

Well thats still his decision to make the call if hes willing to risk it or not vs his financial situation or whatever.
I've been in a similar situation and I risked it otherwise I couldn't afford any reasonable upgrade vs what I already had for years. 'most likely my next GPU will be second hand too'

My first second hand GPU was admitedly a miner card, I've used it for almost 3 years until I sold it in a working condition, then another second hand card which was a supposed gamer card but I did check that out in person and I found it to be fine and it was.
And my current 3060 Ti has a big question mark about its past, I have no idea nor the seller cause he was only a middle man selling hardware but since it was sold under his own business I was given 1 year warranty with papers tho I've already kind of voided that warranty so its like whatever.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I disagree. And as I own a PC shop and frequently buy/sell used equipment that has been used for mining and have had VERY few problems, I am in a position to offer input based on real world experience and not hear-say nonsense.

Cards that have been used for mining are generally perfectly acceptable as a purchasing opinion. Why? Simple: Miners want to make the most of their investment so as such they are going to take care to keep their equipment cool and clean. We rarely see equipment used for mining that has NOT been well cared for.


Nothing has changed. The paranoia floating around about mining cards is just that, tin-hat wearing nonsense and is completely meritless. The rules for buying used equipment is as they always have been, buy from someone who has a good reputation(or at least not a bad one), make sure there is a return policy and make sure the pictures showing the part in question are detailed and show every angle.

I'll take your word for it, but my concerns with the ASIC itself degrading remain. Truth is, most mining cards were decomissioned very recently so we still have some road to cover before we have a solid long-term understanding of what's going on. I personally wouldn't, though.