AIR COOLING... what's the diference?

[redeye]

@soundzen… but i figured that the post in question would see the suggestion. not that important to correct. (or the suggestion)

 

[xtreemchaos]

one minor suggestion,

ive had two of them bud both messed up in less than 2 months, that getto has run 2 years with no prob and cost a 10th of the aquacomputer ones.

 

[redeye]

good stuff, are you using the British made, manufactured and designed by Mayhems water additive for distilled water, Haydes H2O extreme in your system?

 

[xtreemchaos]

are you using the British made

na i dont use any additives just triple distilled water, im old school mate when i first started water cooling it was fish tank pumps and motocross bike rads now over 20 years on im a little less ghetto but not completely and plus im a bum and proud of it .

 

[thesmokingman]

i run a open case cruncher pro's are things are easy to get to looks good ect cons is there's is not a lot of air flow across the motherboard to cool my nvme's so behind the gpu i have a fan blowing cool air across the board.
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480mm surface area per component, check.
Big ass reservoir, check. This is how you spec a loop.
I just would have skipped the drain valve for a QDC which makes a valve moot. But otherwise very nice!

Great duster

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You can also use it to drain your loop if you use QDC.

 

[xtreemchaos]

thanks buddy .

 

[AusWolf]

im looking at Thermaltake core P1 as my first open case
i dont understand why less metal and plastic and glass are more expensive than a closed case ?!?!
the more fancy the bench, the more it costs for so little material - such as Streacom DA6 -or- the HYDRA mini
i mean... between 10$ flimsy chinese DIY rigs and 200$ american steel, theres only closed cases!

Supply and demand probably.

 

[soundzen]

TT core P1 - maybe one day when i will have 100€ to burn... or i just leave my 35€ Cooler Master without its side panel and it creates the same air draft LOL

 

[freeagent]

For me, I get better temps in a case rather than outside on a bench. I normally use high performance fans, such as 120x38s, iPPC, etc.

Outside of a case you have no air scrubbing you're components.

Most people use ultra quiet systems, that means low performance airflow, so yeah in that case maybe outside is better.

I will not share my thoughts on normalized noise testing

 

[oxrufiioxo]

For me, I get better temps in a case rather than outside on a bench. I normally use high performance fans, such as 120x38s, iPPC, etc.

Outside of a case you have no air scrubbing you're components.

Most people use ultra quiet systems, that means low performance airflow, so yeah in that case maybe outside is better.

I will not share my thoughts on normalized noise testing

Na, T30 can be ran pretty low as case fans and still push decent air..... Mine sit around 800RPM max and my 4090 stays around 60-63C.... If it was open air it would be about the same with a fan pointed at it lol..... I do have 6 of them drawing in air though but it's pretty quiet my standing fan makes way more noise on low and it's one of the better Rowenta Turbo silence variants.

There are other fans you could achieve the same thing with.

They also have a 3000RPM @freeagent mode lmao

 

[freeagent]

hey also have a 3000RPM @freeagent mode lmao

They still don't push as hard as my Panaflo's

I have a 3 pack, but each one has a broken wire.

No solder skills

I will try one day to fix them.

Edit:

Most consumer fans are pretty weak.. there is the odd one that can push more than the others, but server fans are where its at if you are after high performance air cooling

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Most consumer fans are pretty weak.. there is the odd one that can push more than the others, but server fans are where its at if you are after high performance air cooling

one day when I require hearing aids I will pick some up..... lol.

 

[Dr. Dro]

They still don't push as hard as my Panaflo's

I have a 3 pack, but each one has a broken wire.

No solder skills

I will try one day to fix them.

Edit:

Most consumer fans are pretty weak.. there is the odd one that can push more than the others, but server fans are where its at if you are after high performance air cooling

Soldering fan wires is one of the easiest solder jobs. You can do it mate. Place them together, drop of tin, make sure they're intertwined nicely, place in a heat shrink rubber, a flick with your lighter and it's done

 

[Brotato]

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TT core P1 - maybe one day when i will have 100€ to burn... or i just leave my 35€ Cooler Master without its side panel and it creates the same air draft LOL

Save up and do it man. Once you go with an open frame, you won’t go back.
Those are also wall mountable for some extra flair

 

[soundzen]

And speaking of air flow, like my topic title mentions * wink *
...i don't understand why those latest glass panel cases (model below) HAS FANS ON THE SIDE because the air goes crashing into the glass in front of them and bounces all over the place, no?
i get it the esthetic fad to see components from all sides (2 angles at least) so that's why they replaced front fans with another glass panel... but they are damn pretty i reckon!
shouldn't the fresh air come in from the frontal fans and push the hot air accumulating inside the case, coming from components then push all out at the back of case ???
(sometimes with help of other fans on its way, such as the CPU air cooler tower fans)

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...while the PSU sucks in, fresh air from below through its own incased fan and pushes air out, trough the back grill where the power cable is.

 

[AusWolf]

shouldn't the fresh air come in from the frontal fans and push the hot air accumulating inside the case, coming from components then push all out at the back of case ???

Yes. But the wow factor is always greater than brains with most people.

 

[xtreemchaos]

TT core P1

ive built a few itx p1's for customers but not for me i like me ATX OR EATX. for the price they are built well and they came with a riser cable not sure if they still do.

 

[venturi]

Open air, using Thermaltake P1 or P3

getting ready for dual 5090, Functional protype on dual 4090

Its by Iron Horse, its their 24 hour chair control room chair There an improvement, there were challenges and opportunities in the build. There were challenges and opportunities in moving from intel to AMD. I would characterize it as AMD motherboad makers are a little rough around the edges...

www.techpowerup.com

To answer your question visually:

 

[Vario]

Good case design allows fresh intake air to flow over the components and then exhaust so that the case is constantly exchanging air with the room.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Open air, using Thermaltake P1 or P3

getting ready for dual 5090, Functional protype on dual 4090

Its by Iron Horse, its their 24 hour chair control room chair There an improvement, there were challenges and opportunities in the build. There were challenges and opportunities in moving from intel to AMD. I would characterize it as AMD motherboad makers are a little rough around the edges...

www.techpowerup.com

To answer your question visually:
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An amazing build.

 

[Chrispy_]

Honestly the biggest reason is dust management. If you have a case where all of the intakes are through dust filters, it means 90% less of that heat-trapping dust blanket that suffocates your components and clogs your heatsinks.

Open cases are obviously easier to clean, but you're going to have to do that cleaning once every couple of months instead of once every couple of years.

In the old days, I used to say closed cases were quieter, but these days a 120mm fan is the smallest fan in a system and they're practically inaudible at under 800rpm which is still fast enough to provide plenty of airflow.

 

[ARF]

Open air, using Thermaltake P1 or P3

You can save a lot of space by replacing those heatsinks with water/liquid coolers.

 

[venturi]

You can save a lot of space by replacing those heatsinks with water/liquid coolers.

I’m not sure how I would save space with the corresponding radiators for the water cooling

Airflow is fine, no hotspots, did the thermal imaging check at idle and under load

ebb when I hammer both GPUs at once, seldom see more than 51C while at idle they hover at 29C

Room is normally somewhere between 69-71 F
CPUs at idle are 28C, under medium load about

37C (body temperature) and under full load, all cores, around 49-51C

the motherboard fan curves are custom and work well, where the fans spend idle CPU time at 450rpms, medium load is 600-750rpm and heavy load can range from 750rpm up (140mm 4x own fans)

the 5 nvme express , clx drives are cooled by two hidden 92mm own fans that are silent

I checked around, and folks with water oolong setups can’t get near the low temps of my air cooled rig, I put a lot of effort in to get there

even my video cards are inverted as they blow air away from the motherboard and pulling cool air in when the fans are not at idle - that was a deliberate design consideration

also I added copper heatsink to most voltage regulators and any spot that I thought was too warm

result is a stable cool running rig

power supply does not kick the fan on 95+% of the time.



While I know 69-71F may be cool for a room for most folks, it’s how we like it in the house

 

[ARF]

I’m not sure how I would save space with the corresponding radiators for the water cooling

Don't worry, I can show you.

So, you take for example Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 (you don't have to use so large liquid cooler, though).
Its radiator dimensions are 277 (L) x 120 (W) x 38 (H) mm;
Its pump dimensions are 98 (L) x 78 (W) x 53 (H) mm.

Liquid Freezer II 240 | Multi-Compatible AiO CPU Water Cooler | ARCTIC

The powerful and multi-compatible AiO CPU water cooling system Liquid Freezer II 240 has been perfectly tailored to suit the needs of gamers and other demanding users.

www.arctic.de

RTX 4090's dimensions are 304 mm (L) x 137 mm (W) x 61 mm (H).

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Specs

NVIDIA AD102, 2520 MHz, 16384 Cores, 512 TMUs, 176 ROPs, 24576 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 384 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[venturi]

Don't worry, I can show you.

So, you take for example Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 (you don't have to use so large liquid cooler, though).
Its radiator dimensions are 277 (L) x 120 (W) x 38 (H) mm;
Its pump dimensions are 98 (L) x 78 (W) x 53 (H) mm.

Liquid Freezer II 240 | Multi-Compatible AiO CPU Water Cooler | ARCTIC

The powerful and multi-compatible AiO CPU water cooling system Liquid Freezer II 240 has been perfectly tailored to suit the needs of gamers and other demanding users.

www.arctic.de

RTX 4090's dimensions are 304 mm (L) x 137 mm (W) x 61 mm (H).

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Specs

NVIDIA AD102, 2520 MHz, 16384 Cores, 512 TMUs, 176 ROPs, 24576 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 384 bit

www.techpowerup.com

With respect , because water cooling poses advantages and your measures are apropos:

the radiators have to go somewhere and to mount, suspend and make sure warm air isn’t recycled…. But I don’t think it’s going to provide better temps than what I have, if you check this post, fully, you can see how I experimented with watercooling, I even experimented with the MSI water cooled 4090s, but performance was worse than my air cooled

getting ready for dual 5090, Functional protype on dual 4090

Its by Iron Horse, its their 24 hour chair control room chair There an improvement, there were challenges and opportunities in the build. There were challenges and opportunities in moving from intel to AMD. I would characterize it as AMD motherboad makers are a little rough around the edges...

www.techpowerup.com

also

I do have the highest benchmark and the benchmark recorded the temps as it went

GravityMark Leaderboard

GravityMark GPU Benchmark

gravitymark.tellusim.com

Jay