AIR COOLING... what's the diference?

[venturi]

Lmao, that's cuz you're spending thousands of watts on AC.

My summer electric bill is $168 9including AC)

temps are 69-72 by day, we cool to 65 for night/sleeping. So I don't think $168 for an electric bill in the summer is all that bad, sir

PC runs quiet, even under load.

here are semi-idle temps (email, web, music, spreadsheet open)

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Ofc it matters lmao. Using AC to maintain a low ambient whilst suggesting the aircooling is awesome is misleading. Whether you use AC or not is your own choice, but not making the connection that spending 5K watts or more to maintain a low ambient makes the aircooling look better than it is misleading. It had to be pointed out.

Yes and everyone's ambient is different so any claims need to be listed with ambient temps regardless.

And even then taken with a grain of salt people can post numbers with their ac cranked or an in room ac unit after all and claim otherwise.

Ambient is and always will be the most important factor in cooling a pc it benefits all cooling types.

LN2 and dry ice are probably the only exception..... good luck running that 24/7 though lol....

 

[thesmokingman]

Yes and everyone's ambient is different so any claims need to be listed with ambient temps regardless.

And even then taken with a grain of salt people can post numbers with their ac cranked or an in room ac unit after all and claim otherwise.

Ambient is and always will be the most important factor in cooling a pc it benefits all cooling types.

This is why I pay no heed to ppls cooling claims. I can bury my water temp down to 24c with AC which proves nothing but my own ego, what's the point...

 

[venturi]

Yes and everyone's ambient is different so any claims need to be listed with ambient temps regardless.

And even then taken with a grain of salt people can post numbers with their ac cranked or an in room ac unit after all and claim otherwise.

Ambient is and always will be the most important factor in cooling a pc it benefits all cooling types.

This is a strange departure from anormal conversation...

We keep our house temp at 69-72 because that is our comfort zone, not because we are trying to keep PCs happy

 

[oxrufiioxo]

This is why I pay no heed to ppls cooling claims. I can bury my water temp down to 24c with AC which proves nothing but my own ego, what's the point...

Yes but that doesn't make their claims inaccurate or untrue for their use case in their environment.

It's up to others to know if that applies to their own use case or not.

This is a strange departure from anormal conversation...

We keep our house temp at 69-72 because that is our comfort zone, not because we are trying to keep PCs happy

Same.

I was mostly responding to claims your temps are only good due to low ambient temperature and while that is a factor it isn't your Job to know what someone's else's ambient is or if your cooling setup applies to them or not you're just listing what you are seeing in your own use case which I find interesting.

 

[thesmokingman]

Yes but that doesn't make their claims inaccurate or untrue for their use case in their environment.

It's up to others to know if that applies to their own use case or not.



Same.

I was mostly responding to claims your temps are only good due to low ambient temperature and while that is a factor it isn't your Job to know what someone's else's ambient is or if your cooling setup applies to them or not you're just listing what you are seeing in your own use case which I find interesting.

Ofc its inaccurate, wtf? Using AC is active cooling. You never been in a server room? It's a simple point. Using AC is active cooling, so without making disclaimers pointing this out, it's a bit misleading.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Ofc its inaccurate, wtf? Using AC is active cooling. You never been in a server room? It's a simple point. Using AC is active cooling, so without making disclaimers pointing this out, it's a bit misleading.

So are you saying we must turn off our AC or set it to a temperature you like to be accurate and not misleading.

I've kept my ac at 70F during the summer for over 10 years now are you saying I need to change my habits to have accurate pc cooling lmao.

I get what you are trying to say but even most reviewers use 20-22c as a baseline for their reviews are their results not accurate also...

 

[thesmokingman]

So are you saying we must turn off our AC or set it to a temperature you like to be accurate and not misleading.

I've kept my ac at 70F during the summer for over 10 years now are you saying I need to change my habits to have accurate pc cooling lmao.

Omfg, you're on some kind of trip right now? You keep ignoring what I type and phrase shit to make an argument. Read what I write again.

 

[venturi]

Ofc its inaccurate, wtf? Using AC is active cooling. You never been in a server room? It's a simple point. Using AC is active cooling, so without making disclaimers pointing this out, it's a bit misleading.

Do you not have AC?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Omfg, you're on some kind of trip right now? You keep ignoring what I type and phrase shit to make an argument. Read what I write again.

I'm honestly completely confused by your stance on this.... If AC makes a result invalid then all reviews are invalid.

 

[phanbuey]

i use my AC in order to physically not die in Texas summer -- my elctronics are an incidental benefactor of that.

 

[thesmokingman]

I'm honestly completely confused by your stance on this.... If AC makes a result invalid then all reviews are invalid.

Dude wth? What do reviews have to do with this? It's a dead simple point. Using AC affects temps. This is not a critique of ones personal liberty to use AC. /facepalm

 

[oxrufiioxo]

i use my AC in order to physically not die in Texas summer -- my elctronics are an incidental benefactor of that.

My monthly average temperature is around 70 for the majority of months with only June July and Aug being warm guess where I choose to live invalidates all my cooling results 9 out of 12 months a year.


All jokes aside listing ambient is important when posting cooling results but it doesn't make them invalid.

Dude wth? What do reviews have to do with this? It's a dead simple point. Using AC affects temps. This is not a critique of ones personal liberty to use AC. /facepalm

Ambient effects temps.... Anyone with half a brain knows this so I'm still not understanding what you're trying to say.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Dude wth? What do reviews have to do with this? It's a dead simple point. Using AC affects temps. This is not a critique of ones personal liberty to use AC. /facepalm

The air is conditioned to keep a constant temp and remove moisture from the air to keep humans comfy.

It's not like they tape the radiator to the A/C like I do.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The air is conditioned to keep a constant temp and remove moisture from the air to keep humans comfy.

It's not like they tape the radiator to the A/C like I do.

Yeah, people are acting like using ones ac is equivalent to setting up your pc in a walk in freezer/Fridge lmao.

And even then if the person clearly states they are using sub ambient cooling it doesn't make their results invalid or inaccurate.

This is an air cooling thread anyone who want's to run air cooling should strive for a good ambient temp. The same cooler running in a 20c ambient is going to perfom better vs running in a 27c ambient room but that's going to apply to all forms of cooling not just air.

Regardless any results we see in a forum need to be taken with a grain of salt becuase there is no guarantee we can replicate them that doesn't mean whoever posted the results isn't being accurate based on their use case/living environment it's just reality.

For example evey air cooler I've ever used performed worse in a case vs an open air test bench so which result is more accurate the truth is neither or both depending on someone's use case.

 

[freeagent]

It’s 30c today, we keep the house at 74 or so, but my pc is in the basement where it is 20c..

Caught between imperial and metric here..

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It’s 30c today, we keep the house at 74 or so, but my pc is in the basement where it is 20c..

Caught between imperial and metric here..

Dude you gotta move it to the roof or else any temperature claims you make are false and not based on reality. I can't replicate a basement so you are wrong.


Jk JK, maybe I'm reading the room wrong but that's the impression I'm getting from some.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Yeah, people are acting like using ones ac is equivalent to setting up your pc in a walk in freezer/Fridge lmao.

And even then if the person clearly states they are using sub ambient cooling it doesn't make their results invalid or inaccurate.

This is an air cooling thread anyone who want's to run air cooling should strive for a good ambient temp. The same cooler running in a 20c ambient is going to perfom better vs running in a 27c ambient room but that's going to apply to all forms of cooling not just air.

Regardless any results we see in a forum need to be taken with a grain of salt becuase there is no guarantee we can replicate them that doesn't mean whoever posted the results isn't being accurate based on their use case/living environment it's just reality.

For example evey air cooler I've ever used performed worse in a case vs an open air test bench so which result is more accurate the truth is neither or both depending on someone's use case.

Haha, yeah. I see your point! I use cooling methods beyond daily users, but I also indulge in giving myself a break and just slap an air cooler on the setup so I can sit back and enjoy it. There is literally a wraith prism sitting on my 14700K unsecured. 4000mhz 20 cores it might hit 65c, maybe 75c at worst.

Can only replicate or nearly replicate someone with a similar system only. My 14700K can't magically turn into a 5800X3D, so we should expect different results even with the same air cooler

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I love the P1 and P3 cases, they are the base of my personal PC (s). Nothing wrong with that pictured P1 you referenced, as for dust.. I don't see any dust, this is dual 9684x 192 cores/384HT and dual 4090s, and I have zero heat issues, in fact idle temps are around 28c CPU and 31C for the video cards. Load temps for cards don't exceed 54C

Once every few moths I blow it off with a can of compressed air, not a big deal. I don't have rugs so that helps keep the dust down.


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yeah, but I think your house is just very clean to begin with. I mean even the paint where the skirting meets the wood flooring is absolutely pristine. And the paint. White paint without a single dirty stain or deep scratch on it.

 

[Shrek]

This is why I pay no heed to ppls cooling claims. I can bury my water temp down to 24c with AC which proves nothing but my own ego, what's the point...

That is why I always say how many degrees above ambient.

 

[Waldorf]

knowing ambient temps doesnt mean much if your using AC, as it takes away the increase in room temp you would have without it.
sure you can compare cooling temps between different methods on the same rig, but thats about it.

say if im in a 5x5x2m room running a higher tier cpu/gpu, it woulnt take long to increase room temps, which would mean increased temps on cpu/gpu, while it wouldnt happen if using an AC.

 

[sneekypeet]

Not sure how most of thos last page applies to the thread itself, but to help solve the argument about active AC cooling and whatnot, start using a delta to refer to your temps.

 

[thesmokingman]

That is why I always say how many degrees above ambient.

Sure, but it doesn't change the point. With AC as ambient goes up, the AC will throw even moar watts to bring the ambient back down.

 

[sneekypeet]

Sure, but it doesn't change the point. With AC as ambient goes up, the AC will throw even moar watts to bring the ambient back down.

in the review game, ambient is called a variable....which an AC or home furnace eliminates.

 

[thesmokingman]

Not sure how most of thos last page applies to the thread itself, but to help solve the argument about active AC cooling and whatnot, start using a delta to refer to your temps.

It would not add much imo unless the AC output is fixed, otherwise it will as I posted above compensate with moar watts affecting delta.