Alder Lake CPUs common discussion

[RandallFlagg]

Intel has shortened the list of games with DRM/Denuvo that malfunctioned under Windows 10 and 11 in combination with the #AlderLake processors. Only the following are still affected:

• Assassin’s Creed: Valhal
• Fernbus Simulate
• Madden 22

Source: List of Games Affected by DRM Issue in 12th Gen Intel Core Processors for Windows 10 and 11.

Noticed I got a couple of Windows updates yesterday (I'm on Win 11), going to guess that was the fix.

 

[vMax65]

Here are my stock scores on R23 and geekbench. I have added my temps too, you can see temp with CPU at 100% I notice its at 3.6ghz, is that the max stock on a 12700k?
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The score looks a bit on the lower side and the P-Cores should be running at 4.7GHz. Okay, okay was reading too fast and noticed it is all sorted now!

 

[Deleted member 24505]

The score looks a bit on the lower side and the P-Cores should be running at 4.7GHz. Okay, okay was reading too fast and noticed it is all sorted now!

That's completely stock. i don't think it's too bad.

 

[vMax65]

That's completely stock. i don't think it's too bad.

Yep, I did miss a part of the responses as you mentioned core clocks in the 3.7GHz but that was cleared up in the later post. I have pretty much the exact same setup with the 12700K and the Strix-A D4 which for my first ASUS motherboard is not bad at all. Hope you took the cash back offer from ASUS which made it better value... Stock I am getting just over 23,178 and overclocked a fraction over 24,079 so you are absolutely in the same ballpark as I have DDR4 3600 vs DDR4 3200.

PS with the EK setup, what temps do you get for CinebenchR23 at stock if you don't mind me asking? Was thinking of going for a custom loop rather than the AIO at some point?

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Yep, I did miss a part of the responses as you mentioned core clocks in the 3.7GHz but that was cleared up in the later post. I have pretty much the exact same setup with the 12700K and the Strix-A D4 which for my first ASUS motherboard is not bad at all. Hope you took the cash back offer from ASUS which made it better value... Stock I am getting just over 23,178 and overclocked a fraction over 24,079 so you are absolutely in the same ballpark as I have DDR4 3600 vs DDR4 3200.

PS with the EK setup, what temps do you get for CinebenchR23 at stock if you don't mind me asking? Was thinking of going for a custom loop rather than the AIO at some point?

Look at max temp on the SS. i have since added a EK 360 PE rad to the EK 280 CE. temps are pretty good tbh-
idle

Gaming-

 

[Caring1]

Some worrisome information:

Cooling issues with Intel’s Alder Lake - Problems with the LGA-1700 socket and a possible workaround | igor´sLAB

Badly fitting coolers, too low performance with actually good waterblocks and bent CPUs – meanwhile not only the feedback of the readers is piling up, but also very similar reports from the board…

www.igorslab.de

Already posted in this thread:

Intel LGA 1700 socket problem??

Found this, its about the LGA 1700 CPU/socket bending causing bad temps. Pretty interesting. Glad i'm using the EK block with the pretty hefty EK LGA 1700 plate. https://www.igorslab.de/en/bad-cooling-at-alder-lake-problems-at-socket-lga-1700-on-the-lane-among-all-remedies/

www.techpowerup.com

 

[RandallFlagg]

Some worrisome information:

Cooling issues with Intel’s Alder Lake - Problems with the LGA-1700 socket and a possible workaround | igor´sLAB

Badly fitting coolers, too low performance with actually good waterblocks and bent CPUs – meanwhile not only the feedback of the readers is piling up, but also very similar reports from the board…

www.igorslab.de

Read through that and some of the comments.

Seems like two problems, one is that some of the CPUs are not flat on the top. Other has to do with damaging the socket, soft socket.

I'm wondering if the LGA 1200 coolers + adapter affects the 2nd item too. Supposedly some of them are pretty tight as the AL chips are taller. That plus a convex heat spreader (even taller) would I imagine lead to a problem with any weakness in the socket.

i.e. :

 

[Zubasa]

Read through that and some of the comments.

Seems like two problems, one is that some of the CPUs are not flat on the top. Other has to do with damaging the socket, soft socket.

I'm wondering if the LGA 1200 coolers + adapter affects the 2nd item too. Supposedly some of them are pretty tight as the AL chips are taller. That plus a convex heat spreader (even taller) would I imagine lead to a problem with any weakness in the socket.

i.e. :
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I am pretty sure it is the the other way around, the overall Z-height is lower on LGA1700. Meaning there is less material to resist bending.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Could less than 1mm decrease in Z height make so much difference. Here are pics of the paste when i took my EK block off on when i changed cases. Maybe the thick EK back plate is working.

 

[vMax65]

Look at max temp on the SS. i have since added a EK 360 PE rad to the EK 280 CE. temps are pretty good tbh-
idle
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Gaming-
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Thanks your idle and gaming temps are very good...been a long time since I did a custom loop but I am going to jump back in! Thanks again.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Look at max temp on the SS. i have since added a EK 360 PE rad to the EK 280 CE. temps are pretty good tbh-
idle
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Gaming-
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Wouldn't actually running cinebench for ten minutes and showing those temps tell him and s more about the efficacy of your cooling, I'm not sure idle temps are useful personally.

Just intrigued what custom cooling can do for say crunching loads on those chips.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Shows max temps, just ran R23

 

[gerardfraser]

Cinebench20 run.
Adaptive voltage + offset at -165
LLC mode 2
AC load 25
DC load 100
51 P-core
40 E-core
Load voltage 1.12v @ 66°C

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Cashback approved

 

[1100R]

Cashback approved
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Here's mine

 

[lexluthermiester]

Folks, Professor Barnatt just did a video that explains a lot that many have found confusing about the Pcore/Ecore dynamic. Learned a few things I didn't know and as some of you know I keep up on specs and whatnot. Worth a watch.

 

[GerKNG]

Intel has shortened the list of games with DRM/Denuvo that malfunctioned under Windows 10 and 11 in combination with the #AlderLake processors. Only the following are still affected:

• Assassin’s Creed: Valhal
• Fernbus Simulate
• Madden 22

Source: List of Games Affected by DRM Issue in 12th Gen Intel Core Processors for Windows 10 and 11.

Valhalla has been long fixed (several weeks ago)

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Well seems Intels adoption of Big.Little might not be the big joke it has garnered. Won't be long till AMD announce their take on it.

 

[1100R]

I ordered this backplate to take advantage of my Bykski CPU waterblock. I hope it arrives soon.

 

[AlwaysHope]

Well seems Intels adoption of Big.Little might not be the big joke it has garnered. Won't be long till AMD announce their take on it.

Chipzilla has always led the industry with innovations, big.LITTLE is no exception.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Chipzilla has always led the industry with innovations, big.LITTLE is no exception.

Big. Little is a good idea, phones have been using it for ages, no one using a phone whines about it. Intel using it is a good idea, if it is properly implemented it is a good energy saving system. there's no point using a 500hp truck to go to the shops is there, the little fiesta is great for that, so i get it. Maybe some don't.
Amd will implement it at some point no doubt.

 

[ratirt]

Big. Little is a good idea, phones have been using it for ages, no one using a phone whines about it. Intel using it is a good idea, if it is properly implemented it is a good energy saving system. there's no point using a 500gp truck to go to the shops is there, the little fiesta is great for that, so i get it. Maybe some don't.
Amd will implement it at some point no doubt.

I though phones use only little with no big. None of the cores is x86 architecture but ARM. Phones are also different devices than a computer chip. Just because phones are using smaller chips doesnt mean the computers has to as well because nobody is complaining. This approach is to reduce power only. That is the only logical reason and marketing reason.
They need way less processing power and the difference in cores in the phone is due to money saving and clock higher which is faster.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I though phones use only little with no big. None of the cores is x86 architecture but ARM. Phones are also different devices than a computer chip. Just because phones are using smaller chips doesnt mean the computers has to as well because nobody is complaining. This approach is to reduce power only. That is the only logical reason and marketing reason.
They need way less processing power and the difference in cores in the phone is due to money saving and clock higher which is faster.

the way phones use it is similar to PC use. big chip/section for high power apps, Small chip/section for low power apps. The intention is to create a multi-core processor that can adjust better to dynamic computing needs and use less power than clock scaling alone. which is exactly what Intels Big.Little is doing.
ARM big.LITTLE is a heterogeneous computing architecture developed by ARM Holdings, coupling relatively battery-saving and slower processor cores (LITTLE) with relatively more powerful and power-hungry ones (big). Typically, only one "side" or the other will be active at once, but all cores have access to the same memory regions, so workloads can be swapped between Big and Little cores on the fly.

 

[ratirt]

the way phones use it is similar to PC use. big chip/section for high power apps, Small chip/section for low power apps. The intention is to create a multi-core processor that can adjust better to dynamic computing needs and use less power than clock scaling alone. which is exactly what Intels Big.Little is doing.
ARM big.LITTLE is a heterogeneous computing architecture developed by ARM Holdings, coupling relatively battery-saving and slower processor cores (LITTLE) with relatively more powerful and power-hungry ones (big). Typically, only one "side" or the other will be active at once, but all cores have access to the same memory regions, so workloads can be swapped between Big and Little cores on the fly.

Yes I agree but why do you think this is a good approach for a PC? Just because phones are using it and as a battery powered devices need this solution? No matter how you slice it, it all comes down to power consumption balance with performance and that is why Intel used this approach. Not to mention, change the core count to tackle AMD's products. It still doesn't explain any other benefit that would this approach give to a PC market. How I see it, It is better to use little core for Intel and AMD because they don't need to advance their technology that much. They just use slower, less power hungry cores show some sort of improvement and still advertise a CPU as 16c despite half of them is small cores. Don't you see that this is some sort of marketing scheme here? Now you say it would have been nice to have this approach in a PC. I understand the smartphone market but PC?
When you say high power apps? Meaning more demanding apps which will use the processors high performance cores all the time. These cores can do 'lower power apps' (you would say it that way) as well and faster than any smaller core. The fact is it is not necessary and thus smaller cores are fast enough to keep things going. Use less power and have more cores since the smaller cores are smaller than bigger obviously and you can pack more. Either way, I dont think this approach is a good idea for a PC, just because phones are using it and nobody complains.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well seems Intels adoption of Big.Little might not be the big joke it has garnered.

Some people thought it was a gimmick, but they delivered.