Alder Lake CPUs common discussion

[Bomby569]

Then don't buy highend PC parts.

that makes no sense, just buy efficient ones. Btw even if your electricity is dirt cheap you should care about making bad use of it for obvious reasons

 

[lexluthermiester]

that makes no sense, just buy efficient ones.

Whether it makes sense to you is not relevant. People can buy what they want. You don't get to dictate what people buy. Quit trying to.

Btw even if your electricity is dirt cheap you should care about making bad use of it for obvious reasons

While I pay the bills, I decide how to use my power. Don't tell people how to live.

However, you're once again missing some context. AlderLake CPUs are only power hogs WHEN MAXED OUT, which something most users will rarely, if ever, do. So quit harping on a about power usage because it's NOT a big deal.

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

i3 definitely looks VERY interesting, however availability and price of entry level mobos will be a determining factor for it.

 

[Bomby569]

Whether it makes sense to you is not relevant. People can buy what they want. You don't get to dictate what people buy. Quit trying to.

While I pay the bills, I decide how to use my power. Don't tell people how to live.

However, you're once again missing some context. AlderLake CPU are only power hog WHEN MAXED OUT, which something most users will rarely, if ever, do. So quit harping on a about power usage because it's NOT a big deal.

I'm just giving my opinion as i have been doing since the beggining, you're the one that replied to me trying to convince me your right and my opinion is wrong.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm just giving my opinion as i have been doing since the beggining

There is a difference between offering an opinion for insight & preference and stating your opinion as a basis of merit while at the same time imposing it on others. Plenty of other users share their opinions here. Do you see me calling everyone out? No?...Hmm... I got no problems calling people out...

you're the one that replied to me trying to convince me your right and my opinion is wrong.

That's because your opinion is not supported by factual information and merit.

The AlderLake CPUs are TOP performers. And while they can use a lot of power, 99.9% of the time, they don't. You're trying to convince everyone that they are a waste because they are so power hungry while at the same time subtly imply Ryzen is better. NEWS FLASH, the only two real competitors to the 12900k/12700k are the 5900X and 5950x and they use a ton of power too when maxed full tilt.

 

[ratirt]

That's because your opinion is not supported by factual information and merit.

The AlderLake CPUs are TOP performers. And while they can use a lot of power, 99.9% of the time, they don't. You're trying to convince everyone that they are a waste because they are so power hungry while at the same time subtly imply Ryzen is better. NEWS FLASH, the only two real competitors to the 12900k/12700k are the 5900X and 5950x and they use a ton of power too when maxed full tilt.

Actually that is not true. 5900x and 5950x are very similar in power usage. When stressed they use actually the same power both (around 10W difference) and that is stress test. which is around what 12900K uses when capped at PL1 100W and PL2 100W. So if AMD's use ton of power, then how would you describe Alder Lake's power usage? Because if you set the PL1 and PL2 to 125W cap it can go over 200 Watts during stress test. That's a ton as well if AMD's is. I know gaming is different but you argued about AMD's using ton of power when stressed. I disagree especially if you put AL in comparison. Not to mention, AL can go even above 300W if you let it.

 

[vMax65]

An interesting article reviewing the 12700K vs the 5800X and when gaming they use the same power whilst the 12700K runs cooler (surprising to me)...Overall the performance difference is fairly large across production type workloads for the 12700K vs the 5800X though smaller in gaming but the 12700K still comes out on top and is balanced by the power draw so all things turn out to be equal in terms of efficiency with higher performance in Intel..

Intel Core i7-12700K vs AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Performance Review - Page 8 of 9

We pit the Intel Core i7-12700K CPU vs the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X head-to-head in benchmarks and games and find out who comes out on top.

www.thefpsreview.com

I still am confused that efficiency is an issue especially at the desktop level. Yes Ryzen will be more efficient on the power side but that is balanced by efficiency on the performance side on Intel 12th gen. Do you want more performance or more power efficiency? In gaming there is no difference.....In production type workloads and it really depends on which one, then Ryzen will become power efficient at the cost of performance.

No wrong decision though as both AMD and now Intel make great CPU's...

 

[Braegnok]

Running default settings my i9-12900K at idle draws 18W and under heavy load 200W.



My graphics card is the power hog @ 400W

 

[GerKNG]

The AlderLake CPUs are TOP performers. And while they can use a lot of power, 99.9% of the time, they don't.

This.

my 12600k (even at almost 1.45V at 5.1 Ghz pulls barely 60W in games (even BF2042 averages out at around 55W)


at 4.9 Ghz (just needs around 1.22V) i see less powerdraw in games than with my ryzen 3 3100 (just above 35W)

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not to mention, AL can go even above 300W if you let it.

Again with the people missing context...

Actually that is not true. 5900x and 5950x are very similar in power usage. When stressed they use actually the same power both (around 10W difference) and that is stress test.

You have actually READ the reviews of AlderLake CPUs, right? Go read them again and specifically look here;

Intel Core i9-12900K Review - Fighting for the Performance Crown

The Intel Core i9-12900K is Intel's flagship processor for the Alder Lake architecture. In our testing, we saw fantastic gaming performance from this new processor. Not only low-threaded tests have improved, the 12900K can even beat AMD at highly threaded workloads.

www.techpowerup.com

Intel Core i7-12700K Review - Almost as Fast as the i9-12900K

With the Core i7-12700K, Intel has released a formidable competitor to AMD's Ryzen 5800X and even 5900X. Thanks to eight powerful Golden Cove cores, the processor handles all workloads very well, including gaming. Compared to the i9-12900K, it runs almost as fast, but much cooler, with better...

www.techpowerup.com

Let's compare to the tests on the Ryzen models;

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Review

Ryzen 9 5950X is AMD's flagship 16-core, 32-thread monster. It offers outstanding application performance, your productivity tasks will complete faster than before. Thanks to the Zen 3 IPC advantage, it also excels in gaming, even winning against Intel's Core i9-10900K.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Review

The Ryzen 9 5900X dominates Intel's Core i9-10900K in our testing because of AMD's massive IPC improvements. At $550, this processor is certainly not cheap, but it offers so much more performance, especially single-threaded, that AMD has a clear winner on their hands.

www.techpowerup.com

Hmm... Now isn't that interesting...

 

[ratirt]

Again with the people missing context...


You have actually READ the reviews of AlderLake CPUs, right? Go read them again and specifically look here;

Intel Core i9-12900K Review - Fighting for the Performance Crown

The Intel Core i9-12900K is Intel's flagship processor for the Alder Lake architecture. In our testing, we saw fantastic gaming performance from this new processor. Not only low-threaded tests have improved, the 12900K can even beat AMD at highly threaded workloads.

www.techpowerup.com

Intel Core i7-12700K Review - Almost as Fast as the i9-12900K

With the Core i7-12700K, Intel has released a formidable competitor to AMD's Ryzen 5800X and even 5900X. Thanks to eight powerful Golden Cove cores, the processor handles all workloads very well, including gaming. Compared to the i9-12900K, it runs almost as fast, but much cooler, with better...

www.techpowerup.com

Let's compare to the tests on the Ryzen models;

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Review

Ryzen 9 5950X is AMD's flagship 16-core, 32-thread monster. It offers outstanding application performance, your productivity tasks will complete faster than before. Thanks to the Zen 3 IPC advantage, it also excels in gaming, even winning against Intel's Core i9-10900K.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Review

The Ryzen 9 5900X dominates Intel's Core i9-10900K in our testing because of AMD's massive IPC improvements. At $550, this processor is certainly not cheap, but it offers so much more performance, especially single-threaded, that AMD has a clear winner on their hands.

www.techpowerup.com

Hmm... Now isn't that interesting...

I really have no idea what you are trying to say here.
You said that 5900x and 5950x use a ton of power while stressed. My question was, if that is the case what will you say about AL using same or higher and yet you give me these articles. Maybe you should read my question and simply answer, what is your take on that subject instead of sending articles?

 

[phanbuey]

All these chips, for daily use or enthusiast use are more or less at parity -- at theoretical max AL pulls more, but not massively for the performance increase up to the 5950x. For hardcore workstation tasks like 24/7 blender the 5950x wins big (same performance but lower power = savings for a 24/7 over years). For every day stuff it's almost the same if not favored a bit to AL.

Using the same power and running cooler while getting more fps.
Intel Core i7-12700K vs AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Performance Review - Page 8 of 9 - The FPS Review

As DDR5-5200 is slower than tuned DDR4 at the moment the performance numbers even baby alder lakes put out chart topping. 3D cache is going to change all that but for now AL is the top setup and cheap for what it is.

My current OC on the 12600K at 5.3 is pulling around 190W of power in cinebench and getting decently better numbers than a 5800x with similar temps -- which is around the same power draw at ~180w. So as alder lake scales down it becomes a bit more power efficient than zen3 (we will probably see this in mobile).

I think the 5950x is the real standout in terms of MT power usage over 24/7 tasks - mainly because the 12900k has to be pushed way beyond the point of diminishing returns to compete.

 

[ratirt]

All these chips, for daily use or enthusiast use are more or less at parity -- at theoretical max AL pulls more, but not massively for the performance increase up to the 5950x. For hardcore workstation tasks like 24/7 blender the 5950x wins big. For every day stuff it's almost the same if not favored a bit to AL.

I think that is a very mature conclusion. It would have been hard to notice the difference but yet AL is a tad faster in certain loads like gaming across the board on lower resolution. Well no wonder it is faster. It's just been released and we all know how sensitive Intel is about gaming and the performance crown. So no shock for me here.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I really have no idea what you are trying to say here.

Oh, that is for certain.

Maybe you should read my question and simply answer, what is your take on that subject instead of sending articles?

The articles ARE my answer. Read, inwardly digrest and maybe you might strike upon the point. I'm not spending an hour of my time typing out an explanation that is readily obvious from the comparative data on offer in those articles. People who can't connect the dots are not my problem.

 

[ratirt]

Oh, that is for certain.

The articles ARE my answer. Read, inwardly digrest and maybe you might strike upon the point. I'm not spending an hour of my time typing out an explanation that is readily obvious from the comparative data on offer in those articles. People who can't connect the dots are not my problem.

You might just tell everyone what you want to tell not tell them to read. That's rude.
AL uses more power than a 5000 series CPU respectively. That is what I get. Not sure what's your take.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You might just tell everyone what you want to tell not tell them to read. That's rude.

Why should I have to repeat what's already been clearly stated?

AL uses more power than a 5000 series CPU respectively.

True, but not by much.

That is what I get. Not sure what's your take.

It's a thinker...

 

[JustBenching]

You might just tell everyone what you want to tell not tell them to read. That's rude.
AL uses more power than a 5000 series CPU respectively. That is what I get. Not sure what's your take.

Power consumption is irrelevant. What matters is efficiency. Gaming and productivity (anything except rendering 24/7) alderlake is hands down better in terms of efficiency. Rendering, it's the high end ryzens

 

[Deleted member 24505]

As far as i am concerned. If you push any CPU to the max it won't be efficient

 

[The King]

Some R23 MT and ST info on the 12400 ADL.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So what's the thoughts of Owners of 12th gen parts on the removal of Avx512 by bios update, seems like a dik move to me.
Could it affect hardware benches, does C23 use avx512 I am obviously not sure how much Avx512 is used at the minute though I am aware of it's performance If used.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

The score is better than a stock 5600x i believe

 

[Psychoholic]

So what's the thoughts of Owners of 12th gen parts on the removal of Avx512 by bios update, seems like a dik move to me.
Could it affect hardware benches, does C23 use avx512 I am obviously not sure how much Avx512 is used at the minute though I am aware of it's performance If used.

Doesn't really bother me.
IIRC it is already disabled by default and the only way to enable is to disable the E-Cores (and not all motherboards support enabling it then)

I am not sure how often it is used either, as far as i know C23 does not use it.

 

[Deleted member 202104]

Doesn't really bother me.
IIRC it is already disabled by default and the only way to enable is to disable the E-Cores (and not all motherboards support enabling it then)

I am not sure how often it is used either, as far as i know C23 does not use it.

This is correct - AVX512 isn't an officially included extension for Alder Lake. C23 uses AVX (AVX2 I think), but not AVX512.

 

[ir_cow]

So what's the thoughts of Owners of 12th gen parts on the removal of Avx512 by bios update, seems like a dik move to me.
Could it affect hardware benches, does C23 use avx512 I am obviously not sure how much Avx512 is used at the minute though I am aware of it's performance If used.

AVX512 is only enabled via BIOS bypass when E-cores are disabled. The next BIOS updates will remove this completely per Intels request.

 

[lexluthermiester]

AVX512 is only enabled via BIOS bypass when E-cores are disabled. The next BIOS updates will remove this completely per Intels request.

My question is why disable AVX512 at all? What's the technical purpose? Kinda stupid...