AMD AM5 / Intel Gen 14 Upgrade

[phanbuey]

Thank you all for the precious inputs, I got it all in the cart now and waiting for BF maybe any miracle happens *fingers crossed*

I had the first two pieces and something funny happened I will post it later on when I am home

So the first pieces of my build/ upgrade, older PC was 8700K and served me well from 2017 till last week..here we go

For CPU cooling, I got this one for 25USD

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And ordered the AM5 bracket but for some reason Amazon sent me both, tried to return the wrong one, they refunded me both!! Anyways it costs 8USD

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This is what I use - it's a beast.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

It's dangerously old. I'd buy a new one just to be sure nothing will blow up.

A lot of it depends on the quality of the parts inside. If you get a PSU with super cheap capacitors, they will go bad a lot sooner than high quality ones.

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Xilence Performance X PSUs are also extremely long-lasting.

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The two parallel hold up caps are provided by Samxon (330μF, 450V, 105°C), Solytech's favorite capacitor manufacturer.
Soldering quality on the rear of the modular PCB is quite good.
Soldering quality on most parts of the main PCB is very good, but we also spotted several sloppy solder joints.
Thankfully we were unable to find a single long component lead, something that means less trouble.

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About the Samxon (Solids are actually sold as X-CON) brand, the ULR series mounts them on the XBOX and many devices and they are doing very well.

Xilence's capacitators also tend to be Taiwanese-made, think brands such as 12Kuang Jin.

SolyTech SL-8600EPS 600 Watt PSU review (Page 6)

We land at the premises of SolyTech, a relative unknown manufacturer. They recently launched a SLI compatible 600 Watt PSU. It does not have quadzilla distribution rails, it doesn't even have four PCI-Express connectors. Yet I figured can this 70 EUR / 80 USD PSU deal with our new quad-core CPU...

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Considering what kind of a high-end system we fired off at it, that's a dirt cheap PSU.
We stress tested it for hours and hours, at all times that uberly expensive gaming-rig was running X3 loops and it remained absolutely stable.
These PSU's seem to have great build quality.
The SolyTech 600 Watt really did an excellent job throughout all our tests. Again in most scenarios this is a really good PSU.
The PSU is glorious and more than capable enough in many ways.

My strategy how I buy hardware is actually simple and effective. I first ask myself the question about certain hardware rating sites like LinusTechTips or Tom's Hardware whether their personnel are specialists or rather people who don't understand the basics very well. Since it is usually the latter I have little faith in their advice and the logical next step is to do the exact opposite of what they advise. I consult their PSU tier list and I look at their 'Tier C' list and supplement it with a few minutes of my own research.

This is how I achieve good results in my technology purchases time and time again and I always have hardware that easily lasts 25 years.

 

[Gica]

Intel F means no iGPU.
Any intel F CPU doesn't have a functional iGPU.

Yes, but it's not a faulty processor. The F variants entered the market when Intel launched the fourth generation 14nm (9th) as a solution to stop AMD's rise through prices. The manufacturing process was super refined at that time and the scrap rate was almost non-existent. With igpu enabled or not, the processors pass all the rigorous tests corresponding to their class. The claim that they are defective is at least stupid. It's like saying don't buy a 7800X(3D) because it's a defective 7950X(3D).

 

[ir_cow]

. It's like saying don't buy a 7800X(3D) because it's a defective 7950X(3D).

It's not the same. AMD has chiplets so the second die is actually just not on the CPU for the 7800X. But those 6core ones could be defective 8s. AMD has done this plenty of time before.

As for Intel KF. The wafer has the igpu. So not all are defective to meet demand, but enough are to have this SKU.

 

[Space Lynx]

Not sure how you are only using a Peerless Assassin cooler when you live in UAE, I don't think you know how to do the whole rich thing right bro, lol

 

[HuLkY]

This is what I use - it's a beast.

I have noticed!! changing the fans made any differences in terms of performance and so?

Not sure how you are only using a Peerless Assassin cooler when you live in UAE, I don't think you know how to do the whole rich thing right bro, lol

My original cooler was AC Freezer II 280mm, but it won't work with my case and motherboard if it's an ATX one, so my options were limited, and I might do a custom loop later. Peerless Assassin is a temp solution - who knows! if it works better than expected it might stay! but in general I am into air cooling more than liquid now and also a big option on my list is the next Noctua D15 - D16?? cooler. No details about it so far but that's a one worth waiting for!

 

[Macro Device]

Not sure how you are only using a Peerless Assassin cooler when you live in UAE, I don't think you know how to do the whole rich thing right bro, lol

No, he does. Less spendings on coolers = more spare money for yachts and sport cars.

 

[phanbuey]

I have noticed!! changing the fans made any differences in terms of performance and so?

Not really -acoustic difference only - stock fans are strong but you can hear motor noise at 1500RPM, arctics are weaker but they spin up to 1800 and are quieter temps are basically identical, if not worse by a degree or two on the arctics.

 

[HuLkY]

Not really -acoustic difference only - stock fans are strong but you can hear motor noise at 1500RPM, arctics are weaker but they spin up to 1800 and are quieter temps are basically identical, if not worse by a degree or two on the arctics.

I would love to slap two Noctua fans on it, but I will wait till the next Noctua dual tower comes out; these fans cost a bit my whole setup has many Noctua fans still.

 

[Gica]

It's not the same. AMD has chiplets so the second die is actually just not on the CPU for the 7800X.

Seriously? Are you sure they all have a single chiplet?
Of course they only have one activated, but inside...

der8aurer opened just one of the millions of 7600X processors and had a big surprise.
In conclusion, it doesn't matter what the manufacturers disable in the chips, it matters that what is enabled works properly. The intel F variants are a solution to save $30-40 if you don't need igpu.

 

[ir_cow]

@Gica and there is also batches with only 1 CCD. One is dead, one is working. Which proves me point even more, higher end CPUs, being "recycled" down because they are bunk.

 

[Space Lynx]

@Gica and there is also batches with only 1 CCD. One is dead, one is working. Which proves me point even more, higher end CPUs, being "recycled" down because they are bunk.

I thought that was the whole point of chiplet design? Long term cost savings to provide customer with more affordable options and still make profits for the company. This shouldn't be thought of as a negative thing imo

 

[ir_cow]

I thought that was the whole point of chiplet design? Long term cost savings to provide customer with more affordable options and still make profits for the company. This shouldn't be thought of as a negative thing imo

Yes, that is what I've been saying. Gica doesn't seem to think so. "Defective" CPUs are still good, just not top tier.

 

[HuLkY]

Yes, that is what I've been saying. Gica doesn't seem to think so. "Defective" CPUs are still good, just not top tier.

the same happened with Phenom II Tri core if my memory is serving me right; you could enable the 4th one in some cases but it's not 100% clear it will be stable, good old days!

 

[Shou Miko]

Seriously? Are you sure they all have a single chiplet?
Of course they only have one activated, but inside...

der8aurer opened just one of the millions of 7600X processors and had a big surprise.
In conclusion, it doesn't matter what the manufacturers disable in the chips, it matters that what is enabled works properly. The intel F variants are a solution to save $30-40 if you don't need igpu.

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This could be a higher tier CPU where one CCD didn't work and AMD just didn't border to remove it because of cost or because some of the CCD is defective so instead of throwing them out they mix them to not let more than needed to go waste.

 

[Gica]

The discussion went that F processors would be "defects". The processors are not defective, they pass all the rigorous tests imposed by the manufacturer. Disabled parts may have defects, but they do not affect the buyer because they are disabled. In Intel, the igpu is completely separated from the CPU and can be easily disabled. AMD plays with chiplets - they can easily turn a defective 7950X into a 7900X or weaker.

Anyway, to say that a processor is defective sends you straight to ridicule. It is defective only if it does not comply with the specifications.

If we are still entering into a discussion for the sake of discussion, we can firmly state that the RTX 4090 can also be suspected of defects because it does not use the full potential of the chip.

 

[Hyderz]

Thank you all for the precious inputs, I got it all in the cart now and waiting for BF maybe any miracle happens *fingers crossed*

I had the first two pieces and something funny happened I will post it later on when I am home

So the first pieces of my build/ upgrade, older PC was 8700K and served me well from 2017 till last week..here we go

For CPU cooling, I got this one for 25USD

View attachment 319681

And ordered the AM5 bracket but for some reason Amazon sent me both, tried to return the wrong one, they refunded me both!! Anyways it costs 8USD

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oooo what are these gizmos?

 

[ir_cow]

The discussion went that F processors would be "defects". The processors are not defective, they pass all the rigorous tests imposed by the manufacturer.

Disabled iGPU because it doesn't work would be classified as a defective product. If a company has X product, doesn't meet the requirements, they make a Z product from it. What is the confusion here?

 

[Gica]

Disabled iGPU because it doesn't work would be classified as a defective product. If a company has X product, doesn't meet the requirements, they make a Z product from it. What is the confusion here?

A defective product, by definition, is one that does not comply with the specifications. Do the F processors comply with the specifications or not? Is there any difference in specifications (frequencies, pl, etc.) between xxxxF/KF and their similar xxxx/K? Of course not! If there were differences, surely the KF processors worked at lower frequencies and/or higher power limits (same frequency but higher voltage because it is... "defective").
We can't even know if the disabled igpu is defective or not. If the demand for F is higher than the non-F counterpart, disable that igpu even if it is functional to honor the demand.

I randomly picked up an example from a store and the demand for 13400F is double that of 13400. Why? It is cheaper (40 euros less) and many buyers do not need igpu.

 

[HuLkY]

oooo what are these gizmos?

You mean the brackets? these are brackets that came into the market upon Intel *Amazing*delivery for their socket LGA1700; the pressure applied by the CPU holding bracket isn't equally done on all the sides, long story short this innovation came into the light to enhance the pressure and improve thermal performance, it led to great results! some users reported up to 10 degress of less thermal peformance. With AMD new weird butt design for the CPU physical looks, some people faced issues with applying thermal paste and not making a mess + the AMD AM5 bracket takes it down 3 - 4 degrees and adds to the aesthetics of the build tbh, for 8USD not a bad investment at all!

It's called *Contact Frame*, M A G I C

Will it be the same for AMD? I didn't try yet but I will I hope if someone did to show his / her results. but looking H E R E, I would take it anytime of the day.

 

[Shou Miko]

A defective product, by definition, is one that does not comply with the specifications. Do the F processors comply with the specifications or not? Is there any difference in specifications (frequencies, pl, etc.) between xxxxF/KF and their similar xxxx/K? Of course not! If there were differences, surely the KF processors worked at lower frequencies and/or higher power limits (same frequency but higher voltage because it is... "defective").
We can't even know if the disabled igpu is defective or not. If the demand for F is higher than the non-F counterpart, disable that igpu even if it is functional to honor the demand.

I randomly picked up an example from a store and the demand for 13400F is double that of 13400. Why? It is cheaper (40 euros less) and many buyers do not need igpu.
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In my country there is a difference of about 37euros most the previous gen the difference been next to nothing sometimes the F sku has actually been more expensive which didn't make any sense.

I choose my AMD Ryzen 7 7700 non-x because I wanted a newer Ryzen that I still could cool with my Noctua and the performance difference between 7700 non-x and x ain't huge and the price difference is about 73euros and if needed I can always use PBO on the non-x GN have shown that so the performance will be simuler and power usage a little lower on the non-x using PBO compared to the stock X.

 

[HuLkY]

In my country there is a difference of about 37euros most the previous gen the difference been next to nothing sometimes the F sku has actually been more expensive which didn't make any sense.

I choose my AMD Ryzen 7 7700 non-x because I wanted a newer Ryzen that I still could cool with my Noctua and the performance difference between 7700 non-x and x ain't huge and the price difference is about 73euros and if needed I can always use PBO on the non-x GN have shown that so the performance will be simuler and power usage a little lower on the non-x using PBO compared to the stock X.

Smart move, SALUTE!

 

[HuLkY]

TPU Nation, good morning / evening whereever you are located who wants an update?
I just landed an amazing deal for the mobo, thanks to BF deals on Amazon, the currency is in AED but I will calculate it for you in USD to make it easier for you to follow.

The motherboard was originally for 350.94USD, it went down to 242.93USD!! I didn't think twice specially it was the last piece from that seller - *fingers crossed nothing is wrong with it lol!*

One the order was done, it went up spiking to 374.63USD

I am waiting on the deals for CPU and RAM; I have missed the CPU deal on MicroCenter for 288USD for 7800X3D but having high hopes now that from Amazon, gonna keep you posted.

Out and Over!

 

[SchumannFrequency]

I choose my AMD Ryzen 7 7700 non-x because I wanted a newer Ryzen that I still could cool with my Noctua and the performance difference between 7700 non-x and x ain't huge and the price difference is about 73euros and if needed I can always use PBO on the non-x GN have shown that so the performance will be simuler and power usage a little lower on the non-x using PBO compared to the stock X.

R7 7700 is 3.8% faster in the 1% low values for 1080 max settings gaming compared to the 12600KF.
But it is also 31% more expensive in my country. The price/performance ratio for gaming is less optimal imo.

PCMark 10: R7 7700 & R7 7800X3D < Intel 12600KF (this is probably the most useful of all PC benchmarks)
Intel 12600KF PCMark 10 result: 8572
Intel 14900K PCMark 10 result: 10345
10345 / 8572 = 1.207

For 4k gaming: R7 7700 & R7 7800X3D = Intel 12600KF

1080p gaming: R7 7700X vs Intel 12600KF

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My Octane 2.0 result (Intel 12600KF and RAM @6000MHz CL40)

Conclusion: the much cheaper Intel 12600KF performs the same as the R7 7700 in most daily tasks and 4k gaming.

 

[Shou Miko]

R7 7700 is 3.8% faster in the 1% low values for 1080 max settings gaming compared to the 12600KF.
But it is also 31% more expensive in my country. The price/performance ratio for gaming is less optimal imo.

PCMark 10: R7 7700 & R7 7800X3D < Intel 12600KF (this is probably the most useful of all PC benchmarks)
Intel 12600KF PCMark 10 result: 8572
Intel 14900K PCMark 10 result: 10345
10345 / 8572 = 1.207

For 4k gaming: R7 7700 & R7 7800X3D = Intel 12600KF

1080p gaming: R7 7700X vs Intel 12600KF

Total War: PHARAOH: PC Performance Benchmarks for Graphics Cards and Processors | RTS / Strategy | GPU TEST

We tested Total War: PHARAOH at the highest graphics settings, on video cards from the GEFORCE RTX and RADEON RX series. Also, during the tests we conducted, we assessed the performance and quality

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Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3: PC Performance Benchmarks for Graphics Cards and Processors | Action / FPS / TPS | GPU TEST

We tested the release version of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 at the highest graphics settings, on video cards from the GEFORCE RTX and RADEON RX series. Also, during the tests we conducted, we as

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My Octane 2.0 result (Intel 12600KF and RAM @6000MHz CL40)

Conclusion: the much cheaper Intel 12600KF performs the same as the R7 7700 in most daily tasks and 4k gaming.

The past shows us that AMD actually care about their platforms from AM4 and make them last same should be the case for AM5, the current Intel platform is kinda just showing that Intel haven't really evolved because usually Intel never release 3 so called generation for the same socket only 2 with their TIK TOK system they been doing for years.

Not saying modders haven't found a way making 8/9th gen CPU's work in Z170 boards with bios hacks and such since they are using the same socket.