AMD Announces FidelityFX Super Resolution 3 (FSR 3) Fluid Motion Rivaling DLSS 3, Broad Hardware Support

[Dr. Dro]

Definitely no need to fanboy about it for sure no pun intended

As an owner of a 4090 I hope it's better than Nvidia alternative or at the very least comparable. I really like the features and as others have stated it's a bummer that it is locked to 40 series cards.

Late is better than never and honestly hopefully AMD has used this time to perfect it as much as they can.

It won't be better, especially with the new DLSS ray reconstruction technology being available now, but if they can pull a FSR 2 again - not the best but okay and rather comparable - it'll be a welcome addition to the portfolio, of course.

 

[qlum]

I have little interest in frame generation, with maybe an exception for vr, just in general I am fairly insensitive to higher framerates visually.
If latency was not a factor I would probalby be fine playing at 30fps.
In terms of input, that's a different story.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It won't be better, especially with the new DLSS ray reconstruction technology being available now, but if they can pull a FSR 2 again - not the best but okay and rather comparable - it'll be a welcome addition to the portfolio, of course.

Honestly I was hoping for FSR2 to be improved just as much as seeing their Frame generation technology. FSR is keeping me from buying an amd gpu more than DLSS frame generation. I still don't like FSR even in quality mode at 4k and especially at 1440p it would be awesome if they got it to the point where it doesn't matter what technology you are using.

 

[gt362gamer]

While I like that AMD will let a broader audience test their newer upscaler technology, I don't like the fact they didn't show charts comparing rx 7000 series to rx 6000 series, neither why the GPU cache has been cut in half in 7700 xt and 7800 xt compared to their older counterparts. Why my 6700 xt has double the cache of the 7700 xt? Shouldn't it be increasing instead, or at least staying equal?

 

[AusWolf]

While I like that AMD will let a broader audience to test their newer upscaler technology, I don't like the fact they didn't show charts comparing rx 7000 series to rx 6000 series, neither why the GPU cache has been cut in half in 7700 xt and 7800 xt compared to their older counterparts. Why my 6700 xt has double the cache of the 7700 xt? Shouldn't be increasing instead, or at least staying equal?

They probably found that the large cache doesn't help as much as they thought with RDNA 2.

As for not comparing with last gen, I agree. We'll have to wait for reviews, unfortunately.

 

[Why_Me]

You're conflating things....people are juat celebrating the fact that it works on a lot of different hardware while condemning the fact that Nvidia's version is limited to 4000 series for no reason other than greed.

FYI: Nvidia is basically a monopoly with unlimited power and a history of anti-consumer and cartelistic practices....I don't think they need any individual defending them.

I believe he was referring to the AMD cultist on here. Not fanboys ... cultist. There's a difference.

 

[AnotherReader]

They probably found that the large cache doesn't help as much as they thought with RDNA 2.

As for not comparing with last gen, I agree. We'll have to wait for reviews, unfortunately.

If AMD's figures are accurate, then the 7800 XT would be as fast as a 6800 XT. This won't be the first time that a (x+1)y card is comparable to the xy card: the HD 6870 was slightly slower than the 5870.

 

[john_]

You don't really think AMD cares about you do you? That they're doing this out of kindness of their hearts?

This is the typical stupid (sorry) excuse I read usually from people who have no arguments. No one really cares about you, me or anybody, but some try to offer you more to manage to make you their customers. Now if you choose to ignore the company that pretents at least to care about you by offering more for less, because their major interest now is to make you their customer and prefer to pay more to the company that screams it in your face that they don't care about you and they only want to grab your money, be my quest. But that's not an argument and not something to advertise.

Don't you think the timing is just a bit too convenient? Couldn't possibly be intended to deflect from the overwhelmingly negative press about the 7800 XT being slower than the 6800 XT, I guess that's just silly ol me and my ngreediot tendencies

A bicycle has wheels, a van has wheels, so a bicycle and a van are the same. You are trying to be smart here, you are failing.
7800XT might end up slower compared to 6800XT and obviously it will get "overwhelmingly negative press" because we know that the press loves attacking AMD. Nvidia has done the same, there was backslash about that, just not "overwhelming" obviously. Waiting to show us your posts about the amazing performance of RTX 4060 and RTX 4060 Ti compared to RTX 3060 and RTX 3060 Ti.
In any case people like you love to find ONE example for a company so they can "PROVE" that that company is the same as one that had done and keep doing a number of anti consumer moves. Well if you want to troll, I don't have the time.

By the time my 4080 runs any game at 30 fps, there's only two courses of action: I'm upgrading (or rather I've already upgraded twice since then) or - if due to unreasonably high system requirements that just make no sense - I'm simply not playing the game.

As I said, people with money and no care for others, love capitalism.

Anyway, I see you had NOTHING to say until now. Not really, some smart... asus comments.

 

[Dirt Chip]

Wonderful, now everyone will be able to enjoy fake frames- not just the elite snob.

The kink is naked, hip hip hooray!

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Interesting that they are able to do similar thing as nVidia's FG without using specialised hardware, IMHO nVidia doesn't care about gaming just what suits them in professional products, else they won't waste silicon on specialised hardware.

But fake frames aren't for me, maybe for something like Flight simulator but games like that don't require high FPS.

 

[Dr. Dro]

This is the typical stupid (sorry) excuse I read usually from people who have no arguments. No one really cares about you, me or anybody, but some try to offer you more to manage to make you their customers. Now if you choose to ignore the company that pretents at least to care about you by offering more for less, because their major interest now is to make you their customer and prefer to pay more to the company that screams it in your face that they don't care about you and they only want to grab your money, be my quest. But that's not an argument and not something to advertise.


A bicycle has wheels, a van has wheels, so a bicycle and a van are the same. You are trying to be smart here, you are failing.
7800XT might end up slower compared to 6800XT and obviously it will get "overwhelmingly negative press" because we know that the press loves attacking AMD. Nvidia has done the same, there was backslash about that, waiting to shows ous your posts about the amazing performance of RTX 4060 and RTX 4060 Ti compared to RTX 3060 and RTX 3060 Ti.
In any cases people like you love to find ONE example for a company so they can "PROVE" that that company is the same as one that had done and keep doing a number of anti consumer moves. Well if you want to troll, I don't have the time.


As I said, people with money and no care for others, love capitalism.

Anyway, I see you had NOTHING to say until now. Not really, some smart... asus comments.

I'm not trolling, but I have been called lots of names for pointing out the obvious

Which is fine, really. It doesn't bother me, end of the day you do you I do me and in fact I can do it all with my Nvidia card.

It's this moral grandstanding from AMD fans that I find the most amusing of all and that's the only reason I'm answering this post, how do you even lay claim to AMDs originality? They have purchased companies and IP small and large alike to add to their own portfolio. Their AI stuff is from Xilinx, hell I won't even go too far, see that Radeon Boost and Radeon Chill thing? They bought the IP and hired the HiAlgo guy for it.

Point is, you just dislike Nvidia so fiercely that my initial point of "this sucked just cause it was an Nvidia thing until now" somehow had personal level effect on you.

 

[Vya Domus]

If AMD's driver level implementation of frame interpolation is decent this will make Nvidia look really bad because not only they lock these things out of their ecosystem but they even lock them out from within it, what excuse will they have to not offer some driver level option across older generations of cards ?

It will also play really well into their marketing if they know how to play their cards, they're gonna be able to do the classic Nvidia "look a gazillion fps more if you enable X feature" but it will actually work on everything lol.

 

[john_]

I'm not trolling, but I have been called lots of names for pointing out the obvious

Which is fine, really. It doesn't bother me, end of the day you do you I do me and in fact I can do it all with my Nvidia card.

Yes you are. Sorry to.... point the obvious, but when you avoid TRULY replying to a post and just throwing stuff about capitalism, or trying to find one example from one side, ignoring a dozen from the other, or when trying to change the subject to something more favorable to you, that's I think the definition of trolling. You don't want to be seen as someone trolling? Try to quote posts and post arguments about where you see it differently. Not ignore what people explain to you from their view in their posts and try to play it smart with a nothing reply.

Ignoring reality doesn't point to obvious conclusions. Just favorable. At least you feel fine ignoring reality and that's fine with me.

It's this moral grandstanding from AMD fans that I find the most amusing of all and that's the only reason I'm answering this post, how do you even lay claim to AMDs originality? They have purchased companies and IP small and large alike to add to their own portfolio. Their AI stuff is from Xilinx, hell I won't even go too far, see that Radeon Boost and Radeon Chill thing? They bought the IP and hired the HiAlgo guy for it.

It's not about moral grandstanding. It's a fact. AMD knows that the press is unfavorable, that consumers are more keen in choosing something with an Nvidia logo on it, so it tries to give consumers reasons to choose them instead to give them reasons to go with Intel or Nvidia. That makes them look as having a higher moral standard than Nvidia. Like how Intel looks today as more consumer friendly in an effort to get back market share in the CPU market and get some market share in the GPU market.
I like how AMD trying to expand it's potential is translated from you as immoral tactics. It's really funny.

Point is, you just dislike Nvidia so fiercely that my initial point of "this sucked just cause it was an Nvidia thing until now" somehow had personal level effect on you.

Yeah, that's the easy "arguments". "You are with the others" "You have hatred for Nvidia". That's not an argument. That's desperation of not being able to find an argument.

If AMD's driver level implementation of frame interpolation is decent this will make Nvidia look really bad because not only they lock these things out of their ecosystem but they even lock them out from within it, what excuse will they have to not offer some driver level option across older generations of cards ?

Nvidia is locking out stuff for ages and nothing bad is happening with their sales or reputation. They control the narrative. The end.

 

[Dirt Chip]

Interesting that they are able to do similar thing as nVidia's FG without using specialised hardware, IMHO nVidia doesn't care about gaming just what suits them in professional products, else they won't waste silicon on specialised hardware.

But fake frames aren't for me, maybe for something like Flight simulator but games like that don't require high FPS.

Fake frames are especially for high fps, because at lower fps the 'fake' side effect is more visible and the increased leg is bigger.

You only left to choose what kind of GPU color (red\green) will play your fake games.

 

[EatingDirt]

The only thing I'm really looking forward to is, if you can turn Fluid Motion Fames off is:

The Maximum Fidelity preset of FSR 3 is essentially AMD's version of DLAA (to use the detail regeneration and AA features of FSR without dropping down resolution).

I'll be curious to see the quality differences of FSR 3 Maximum fidelity verses TAA and the quality differences between DLAA and this.

Fake frames are still fake frames, so the Fluid Motion Frames aren't something I'm interested in. They're only good when you're getting high enough frames to not feel the added input lag, but if you're getting 60+ FPS already, it doesn't seem like adding to that is really all that useful. I guess I'll get to see in the next few months for myself.

 

[AusWolf]

Fake frames are especially for high fps, because at lower fps the 'fake' side effect is more visible and the increased leg is bigger.

Yes. But at high frame rates, you don't rely on fake frames anyway. That's why I think the whole technology is pointless.

 

[john_]

Interesting that they are able to do similar thing as nVidia's FG without using specialised hardware, IMHO nVidia doesn't care about gaming just what suits them in professional products, else they won't waste silicon on specialised hardware.

But fake frames aren't for me, maybe for something like Flight simulator but games like that don't require high FPS.

If it is like DLSS 2 vs FSR 2, their approach will probably end up inferior. The question is by how much. And also another question is how tech press will interpret that lower quality. Would they be objective, or try to present an image where a somewhat inferior quality for FSR 3 is in fact a broken, unusable feature?

 

[apoklyps3]

Bribing developers to have XeSS and DLSS removed isn't anti-consumer?

Do you have actual proof of a bribe?
How can someone remove something that wasn't implemented in the first place?

 

[Dirt Chip]

The only thing I'm really looking forward to is, if you can turn Fluid Motion Fames off is:

I'll be curious to see the quality differences of FSR 3 Maximum fidelity verses TAA and the quality differences between DLAA and this.

Fake frames are still fake frames, so the Fluid Motion Frames aren't something I'm interested in. They're only good when you're getting high enough frames to not feel the added input lag, but if you're getting 60+ FPS already, it doesn't seem like adding to that is really all that useful. I guess I'll get to see in the next few months for myself.

You got it right, dlss3 is good to get you from that 200+ fps close to thet golden 500fps.

Yes. But at high frame rates, you don't rely on fake frames anyway. That's why I think the whole technology is pointless.

Yep. Agreed.
You choose to compromise on leg and image authentic instead on graphic settings.

You can get higher fps either way, but with dlss3 you have the privilege to pay much more for that!

 

[Steevo]

It's amusing how it works, Nvidia introduces a pioneering technology, gets blasted for it, AMD releases an inferior copy and it's everyone's darling for doing so.

Like Gsync? Which already existed, but Nvidia had to have a special monitor for with a special Gsync extra cost? But AMD was already doing variable refresh rates, as was Intel and Nvidia in laptops and some kiosks

Or like Tesselation, which ATI had years before. But Nvidia had to put it in a box and tesselate concrete barriers and invisible u derground water.....

Or like Nvidia running low color for years to boost performance?

Or like Physx with it's huge game support, that prebaked most effects anyway?

Or when devs stopped tesselating concrete barriers and invisible water the next bright idea to use their overblown hardware for was hair works, I still see that a lot cause it was so revolutionary.

 

[Assimilator]

Being a jackass doesn't win you points.

I'm not the one who posted stupid shit and got called out for it.

and given that AMD was able to find a generic way of doing it means that Nvidia could have done it the same way and chose not to

Oh I'm sorry, mister "I know the intimate technical details of how both DLSS 3 and FSR 3 are implemented better than the engineers who created them". Oh wait you don't, hence you aren't qualified to make any claims about either of these technologies. Sit down and keep quiet, kid.

In my opinion

Which is worth about as much as your alleged technical knowledge.

They all work exactly in the same way, dividing the frames into a grid, using motion vectors to estimate which blocks within the grid have changed between frames and then reconstruing the intermediate frame according to how these blocks have moved.

That is the principle by which they work, not the technical implementation. Or to put it simply, the what not the how. But go ahead and keep telling yourself that those two things are the same.

Nvidia doesnt allow AMD to use DLSS = all fine
AMD doesnt allow Nvidia to use DLSS = OMG WHAT THUGS, SO ANTI CONSUMER

You're lying by comparing two things that are completely different. Stop lying, it doesn't make you look smart, in fact it does the exact opposite.

7800XT might end up slower compared to 6800XT and obviously it will get "overwhelmingly negative press" because we know that the press loves attacking AMD.

No, it will get negative press because releasing a newer product of the same tier, that is slower than its predecessor, is anti-consumer bullshit and absolutely deserves being called out - whether AMD or NVIDIA does it. Except NVIDIA doesn't.

 

[john_]

Yes Nvidia does it. Look at the 8GB 4060 vs the 12GB 3060. Or should I mention the introduction of GTX 1630?
Please.

 

[Assimilator]

Nvidia is locking out stuff for ages and nothing bad is happening with their sales or reputation. They control the narrative. The end.

For someone who accuses others of making poor arguments, you're doing a pretty bang-up job yourself. "Nvidia is locking out stuff for ages"? "They control the narrative"? What is this nonsensical illuminati bullshit?

 

[apoklyps3]

I'm still more inclined to buy an rtx 4070 instead of an rx 7800xt and that's only because AMD "stupidly" doesn't lock their stuff to their cards. How ironic, no?
But if 7800xt offers better raster performance or equal to 4070, minus RT performance in some games I might not even play, 16GB 256 bit bus, million of years ahead all-in-one gpu control panel, comparative heat/ noise might sway me

 

[Assimilator]

Yes Nvidia does it. Look at the 8GB 4060 vs the 12GB 3060.

You mean the 4060 that is always faster than the 3060? Can I have some of what you're smoking?