AMD Plans Aggressive Price Competition with Radeon RX 9000 Series

[Rover4444]

Then we have nothing to talk about here. The past doesn't interest me with regards to the 9070 XT.

Cool, RDNA 4 gonna have ROCm support day 1 then?

You said specs. You can find the latest (rumoured) versions here: 7800 XT and 9070 XT.

If you're using those pages for the specs then I'm correct. Cost to produce is similar.

 

[AusWolf]

Cool, RDNA 4 gonna have ROCm support day 1 then?

I don't know. Do you?

If you're using those pages for the specs then I'm correct. Cost to produce is similar.

Slightly smaller MCD chip on TSMC 5 nm with an MSRP of $500 vs slightly bigger monolithic chip on TSMC 4N with a (rumoured) MSRP of $600. I see nothing wrong here.

 

[RUSerious]

What is the review date for the RX 9070 XT*? March 5th? Just looking forward to getting this speculation over with.

*Stupid typo.

 

[Rover4444]

I don't know. Do you?

Yes. Ten months. Unless you've got info to the contrary.

People not knowing is the entire issue. I can't see why you can't see people who use ROCm not knowing when RDNA 4 will be supported would have a problem buying day one.

Slightly smaller MCD chip on TSMC 5 nm with an MSRP of $500 vs slightly bigger monolithic chip on TSMC 4N with a (rumoured) MSRP of $600. I see nothing wrong here.

So costs to produce are similar, then. So they wouldn't be selling at a loss at $500. Which is what I said at the beginning.

 

[Zach_01]

What is the review date for the RX 9700 XT? March 5th? Just looking forward to getting this speculation over with.

For the 9700XT… never, as this does not exist.

For the 9070XT probably in first week of March.

 

[springs113]

There is, and will be no official pricing on the 9070 XT until 28th Feb. The latest rumour indicates $600 as the starting price.

Oh no, ikt, It was rhetorical. But that poster was speaking as it being a fact as of amd came out and said it.

 

[AusWolf]

Yes. Ten months. Unless you've got info to the contrary.

People not knowing is the entire issue. I can't see why you can't see people who use ROCm not knowing when RDNA 4 will be supported would have a problem buying day one.

1. Source on that?
2. I don't buy for CUDA/ROCm, so please excuse me if I don't get the latest on these technologies.

So costs to produce are similar, then.

It's a slightly bigger, monolithic chip on a more advanced node vs a slightly smaller MCD one. In which twisted parallel universe does it cost similar to make?

 

[Shou Miko]

1. Source on that?
2. I don't buy for CUDA/ROCm, so please excuse me if I don't get the latest on these technologies.

Same here, I buy graphics card for gaming which is most of what it does, rarely sometimes it does a bit of video decoding and that's it.

 

[Rover4444]

1. Source on that?
2. I don't buy for CUDA/ROCm, so please excuse me if I don't get the latest on these technologies.

1. The 7000 series release.
2. Compute on AMD relies on ROCm. The 9000 series (generally) can't do compute if ROCm isn't supported at launch.

It's a slightly bigger, monolithic chip on a more advanced node vs a slightly smaller MCD one. In which twisted parallel universe does it cost similar to make?

This one. Their chiplet design wasn't as cost-effective as they were hoping, which is why they're monolithic this generation. GDDR6 is also cheaper than when the 7800 XT released, offsetting the cost of the die.

 

[AusWolf]

1. The 7000 series release.

That's not a source on RDNA 4's ROCm support. Do you know what a source is, or am I talking to the wall here?

2. Compute on AMD relies on ROCm. The 9000 series (generally) can't do compute if ROCm isn't supported at launch.

How do you know that it won't be? Don't say a word about the 7000 series, I'm not interested in your speculations.

This one. Their chiplet design wasn't as cost-effective as they were hoping, which is why they're monolithic this generation. GDDR6 is also cheaper than when the 7800 XT released, offsetting the cost of the die.

While that's true, it doesn't automatically mean that Navi 48 is a more cost-effective design.

 

[Rover4444]

That's not a source on RDNA 4's ROCm support. Do you know what a source is, or am I talking to the wall here?

You got me. I guess devs who buy day one are gonna have to pray that the 9000 series supports ROCm in a timely manner.

How do you know that it won't be? Don't say a word about the 7000 series, I'm not interested in your speculations.

A word about the 7000 series. Sorry, but the compatibility matrix still doesn't have RDNA 4 listed as a supported architecture. At the moment it's not supported and there is no reason to believe it will be supported at or soon after release.

While that's true, it doesn't automatically mean that Navi 48 is a more cost-effective design.

I didn't say it was more cost-effective, I said the production costs should be similar.

 

[AusWolf]

A word about the 7000 series. Sorry, but the compatibility matrix still doesn't have RDNA 4 listed as a supported architecture. At the moment it's not supported and there is no reason to believe it will be supported at or soon after release.

This is a 9000 series thread.

I didn't say it was more cost-effective, I said the production costs should be similar.

Again, source? No source = speculation.

 

[Rover4444]

This is a 9000 series thread.


Again, source? No source = speculation.

Source on RDNA 4 ROCm support? Not buying until it's supported.

 

[wNotyarD]

Source on RDNA 4 ROCm support? Not buying until it's supported.

Apart from a leak in May about ROCm support on Navi 44 and 48, I guess there's no news.

But if you aren't buying it, that's fine, that's on you and it's your right not to buy if it doesn't fit your requirements. Why make it a fuss with everyone else here about it?

 

[AusWolf]

Source on RDNA 4 ROCm support? Not buying until it's supported.

That's fine. Just reserve your judgement until you know whether it's supported or not. Speculating is pointless.

 

[Rover4444]

Apart from a leak in May about ROCm support on Navi 44 and 48, I guess there's no news.

But if you aren't buying it, that's fine, that's on you and it's your right not to buy if it doesn't fit your requirements. Why make it a fuss with everyone else here about it?

Sorry man, just getting real bothered with the way the other guy's acting. I've blocked him now, so hopefully I'm a lot less fussy from this point onwards.

 

[wNotyarD]

That's okay, many people here don't care at all about compute, I myself just game with my GPU so I don't care about ROCm or CUDA or whatever.

For information, AMD said that when UDNA comes ROCm will be supported throughout the stack (source 1, source 2). That's UDNA, though, RDNA4 falls in a kind of limbo so I personally wouldn't set hopes way too high.

 

[AusWolf]

Sorry man, just getting real bothered with the way the other guy's acting. I've blocked him now, so hopefully I'm a lot less fussy from this point onwards.

How am I acting? Calling you out on trying to sell your own speculation as fact? Sorry, man, I don't stand for bullshit.

 

[Rover4444]

That's okay, many people here don't care at all about compute, I myself just game with my GPU so I don't care about ROCm or CUDA or whatever.

For information, AMD said that when UDNA comes ROCm will be supported throughout the stack (source 1, source 2). That's UDNA, though, RDNA4 falls in a kind of limbo so I personally wouldn't set hopes way too high.

Yep, I'm hoping UDNA's awesome! Hopefully AMD prices these RDNA 4 cards well so that there's an actual customer base and lots of supported software waiting for them when it comes around.

 

[Icon Charlie]

I am hoping that the rumored prices are real. But I feel AMD is going to once again shoot themselves in the foot.

I think the prices are going to be $699 and $599 respectively. Reason. The insane prices Ngreedia is getting on the 5070ti

They might also go $649 and $549 as well.

I HOPE it is the rumored $599 and $499 respectively. They do this and it will be a massive hit.

Go up 50 dollars not so much a hit as I think normal people with common sense will continue to hold out.

 

[RUSerious]

This one. Their chiplet design wasn't as cost-effective as they were hoping, which is why they're monolithic this generation. GDDR6 is also cheaper than when the 7800 XT released, offsetting the cost of the die.

The 7000 series chiplet designs were hampered by some bugs in the hardware that used allot more power than expected - that was AMDs worst problem with that product line. For RDNA - there was enough engineering time available to get the larger chiplet design out in order to hit Time To Market deadlines (probably because they were moving engineers over to the enterprise graphics for AI). AFAIK, there is no high performance GPU scheduled for RDNA5/UDNA consumer; chiplet or otherwise. This, so far, seems to have really hampered AMD's ability to offer a low cost ROCm solutions as an entry point for college classes, etc.

 

[DaemonForce]

The primary tear between RDNA4 and UDNA is this idea that no enthusiast level SKU is offered this generation in an effort to stir marketshare.
When AMD pulls the spread to two SKUs that are non-enthusiast but satisfactory to consumer, all of these insane speculation threads happen.
I have no idea if ROCm support will be there for RDNA4 on launch day or if raster/compute competes with the 7900XT, power scale is linear, etc.
The same goes for UDNA. We don't know until we know. Would I like there to be ROCm support? Of course. Do I expect ultra high compute? No.

Do I expect the 16GB GDDR6 loadout to do anything miraculous compared to RDNA3? No. Compared to the 8GB GDDR5 of my RX 580? Absolutely.
One thing I hope for is some improvement to the AMF encode engine. I need to jump ship from my current Radeon and need solid 1080p60 H.264.
I will also be looking at nvidia offerings but not for this machine. It's a toss up that depends on a GPU decision for this workstation, so there's that.

 

[RUSerious]

there was enough engineering time available to get the larger chiplet design out in order to hit Time To Market deadlines

*"there wasn't enough engineering time"...

Can't edit my own post for some reason.

 

[Rover4444]

The 7000 series chiplet designs were hampered by some bugs in the hardware that used allot more power than expected - that was AMDs worst problem with that product line.

Source on this? I knew this was the case, but don't have anything concrete.

 

[RUSerious]

Source on this? I knew this was the case, but don't have anything concrete.

The usual 'good' leakers on Twitter (X)m not the randos or view kings. Plus some informed ppl on the old Anandtech forums. Also found out that AMD came to expect much high performance from Blackwell and believed they wouldn't be competitive. How wrong they were - maybe the worst recent mistake by Lisa Su.